Ren'Py Apartment #69 [v0.09] [Luxee]

[tyrannicpuppy]

Exactly. Patreon the website is a business. 90% of the people using it are not.

A business implies a contract between the payer and the payee. An arrangement to exchange money for goods or services. That's not the case with most devs here. It's a way for people who want to, of their own volition, DONATE money to that dev.

At no point have most folks made a tangible agreement with a dev that for their money they want X in return. If they had, then they would have something to bitch about. But they do not.

I would love to see some of these chronic whiners try to take such a case to court. Because A) Most of them would balk at the need to do anything beyond bluster anonymously on the internet. And B) None of them have any kind of contract establishing payment for something. You're donating money folks. Giving it away of your own free will. You aren't buying dev time or attention.

Most devs do give bonus content to the different tiers as a thank you for those donations. But it is not a requirement of the process and is at best all any of us have ever 'contracted' the dev to provide by donating at that particular level. And even then those benefits are subject to change at any time.

As I've said many times before: You're supposed to be a grown up. If you find a financial transaction you partake in to not be worth the money, stop paying that money. You have that power. Just click cancel. If you continue to pay for something you don't want because you're too lazy to cancel it, that's your problem, not the person you're paying. Try being an adult for a bit and taking personal responsibility for your own choices. K?

 

[dluser]

Patreon and SS should only be seen as a donation to an artist to help them to create the art you like. Now if you bought it from a store front like Itch or GOG then i can understand treating it as a paid product. These in development games are subject to be changed at any moment(even in a direction you dislike)/canceled which is just a fact in game development and that's why it's smart not to spend any money until it's complete unless you really want to help the dev.

if something is locked behind a paywall & can not be accessed without "payment first" than its a sale & not a donation.

 

[sc0rp10n]

Ha yes, I'm an idiot for not dogpiling on devs and defending the morons who can't stop splurging cash without thinking and then can angry and demand punishment be dished out to validate their inaptitude at stoping and thinking before endosring a creator who has no contractual obligation.
Sure.

I'd say talking with you is like talking to a brick wall, but a brick wall is a better conversationalist.
Clearly you want devs to be held accountable for everything, and people who donate to be painted as complete victims.
Which, given your adamant refusal to accept that people are responsible for what they do with their own money, is a waste of my time. I'm going to do something more productive with it.
Like go watch paint dry.

I see reading comprehension is not your thing.
I said none of that you just implied that and started hating on your false interpretation.

Yes attacking devs is bad, never said otherwise.
Here's a but - acting publically requires the dev to be able to handle the well known fact that it happens anyway professionally.
That means in simple terms don't take the shit you get personal, ignore the bs and extract valid criticism from the feedback you get.
Is it easy? - No of course not, that's why a lot of people give up long term when their work is on the polarising side. Have a look at YT art channels how stressiful that is for the creators and the YT community is on the nicer side of things.

Now you might ask why should an individual developer act that way - easy to register to any of the popular donation service or marketplaces as a creator you need a vat-id, when you want to receive money, on some in general.
To obtain such a vat-id it is in pretty much any country neccessary to register for it, which makes you in turn oficially and legally a commercial business.

Conclusion, poor bedroom dev receiving "donations" (subscription would be a better term) is in fact a bloody company and with that come expectations, said company has to deal with accordingly, in this case like any other game studio. Is that fair in every case, probably not, but doesn't change the fact that people are having their expectations anyway.
The terms and conditions of said donation platforms are the only thing that is saving the devs arse here, otherwise they could be sued when development is not happening as promised.

Of course it's like talking to a brick wall to me, in that case. Why would I move away from a factual perspective, just because it's not cosy enough for you.

Hard reality is being a dev is not easy, regardless the environment, you have to deal with shit constantly, not related to your actual work - be it stupid customers, your ignorant bosses or forums like this one. You are either made for it or you will fail - no vocal fanbois needed or helpful.

 

[Juerhullycin]

Conclusion, poor bedroom dev receiving "donations" (subscription would be a better term) is in fact a bloody company

come one show us the contract you signed for that subscription.

Huh, you can't? strange that.


It's in fact a bloody company?

A company is a type of business structure that is a separate legal entity from its owners. It's a complex business structure, with higher set-up and administrative costs because of extra reporting requirements and higher-level legal obligations.

Any more facts you want to tell us without knowing anything about the subject matter?

 

[sc0rp10n]

come one show us the contract you signed for that subscription.

Huh, you can't? strange that.


It's in fact a bloody company?


Any more facts you want to tell us without knowing anything about the subject matter?

You can try to register yourself, they need a vat-id from you, when you want to receive money and the registrations forms require you to fill it in.
Gets even more involved if you want release to actual app stores and market places. Some places like the apple appstore make it easy to register as a developer, but as soon as you want to release something to the store you have to set up a company account, where they make sure, that this account belongs to a properly registered business. Other platforms are quite similiar, you can't act as private person when selling stuff in that fashion.


For the second part, excuse my sloppy wording there, but I'm sure you get the point that I mean a non private person.

 

[colobancuz]

Guys, just ignore him, you can see he's a fanatic and will never change his mind.

 

[Rutonat]

Guys, just ignore him, you can see he's a fanatic and will never change his mind.

In the bizz, we call that "a troll".

 

[Skeltom]

I never understood the complaint about money myself. As others have said, nobody has a gun to anyone's head here. It's as simple as not doing it, full stop.

As for the development of the game, my biggest issue overall is the... above average release times for an update. This project has been in development for a very, very long time in relation to what the current version is. It makes it hard for me personally to maintain any real interest in it, but that's just me.

And about Nea, she may not be everyone's cup of tea romantically, myself included, but last time I played she wasn't ever forced on the player in any way. I don't know if that has always been the case but when I played last you could just let her go. Even if you didn't you never have to get physical with her, do you? You can just be her friend, no?

 

[SubtleHustle]

I never understood the complaint about money myself. As others have said, nobody has a gun to anyone's head here. It's as simple as not doing it, full stop.

As for the development of the game, my biggest issue overall is the... above average release times for an update. This project has been in development for a very, very long time in relation to what the current version is. It makes it hard for me personally to maintain any real interest in it, but that's just me.

And about Nea, she may not be everyone's cup of tea romantically, myself included, but last time I played she wasn't ever forced on the player in any way. I don't know if that has always been the case but when I played last you could just let her go. Even if you didn't you never have to get physical with her, do you? You can just be her friend, no?

https://f95zone.to/threads/apartment-69-v0-08-luxee.18630/post-9577902

 

[Skeltom]

As I understand it, it's heavily implied that she jumps off the roof of the building, but it isn't shown outright. This happens either if you're on the friendship-only path, or you decide at the store that you're not romantically interested in her.

I mean there was backlash already because Nea is a trans girl. I think the plan was most likely for you to be able to be friends with her if you didn't want a romantic relationship but since people were complaining so much about her being trans the dev probably thought "you don't like her? Ok if you don't want to pursue her, then she just dies and you don't have to deal with her anymore and complain all the time that she is trans".

https://f95zone.to/threads/apartment-69-v0-08-luxee.18630/post-9577902

Hmm. That seems like a pretty extreme rout to take for the dev. If it does happen either way? Which seems odd if the roadmap is anything to go by considering there are still events up to 20 for her being worked on. Gender identity has always been a hot topic for a lot of people and they had to have known that going in. If they want her in the game she should be there regardless. Though dealing with it through suicide or possible suicide if you just want to be friends is likely going to generate just as much if not more controversy. It wouldn't stop people complaining at any rate.

 

[jI11jaCksjAkk]

As for the development of the game, my biggest issue overall is the... above average release times for an update.

Seinfeld: "You know how to take the reservation, you just don't know how to hold the reservation. And that's really the most important part of the reservation: the holding."

You speak of the "average release times for an update" as though not being average is a black mark on a dev's resume. But by definition half of all creators will release updates less often than the average, so holding all creators to that standard will only lead to disappointment with a lot of games.

Inconsistency (chronic) in releases...now THAT drives me batty. But even consistency is not a realistic expectation for me to have of a creative project, and is really something I appreciate because of the human preference for predictablilty/comfort in the face of the Universe's cold randomness.

 

[Skeltom]

Seinfeld: "You know how to take the reservation, you just don't know how to hold the reservation. And that's really the most important part of the reservation: the holding."

You speak of the "average release times for an update"...but seemingly without being clear on what an average is. By definition half of all creators will release updates less often than the average, so that shouldn't really be something we take issue with, shoud it?

Inconsistency (chronic) in releases...now THAT drives me batty. But even consistency is not a realistic expectation for me to have of a creative project, and is really only because of the human preference for predictablilty/comfort in the face of the Universe's cold randomness.

Okay?

 

[alphonse019]

Does this game have any sex animations or not?? Cuz during the teacher's sex scene I saw small text in bottom left corner which said animation here but it was all static images. I tried clicking that text too but it didn't do anything and was unclickable...Please tell if there's a button or some setting to play the animations

 

[colobancuz]

Does this game have any sex animations or not?? Cuz during the teacher's sex scene I saw small text in bottom left corner which said animation here but it was all static images. I tried clicking that text too but it didn't do anything and was unclickable...Please tell if there's a button or some setting to play the animations

 

[Metalmatt]

When you criticize the paid nature of the dev to consumer relation, consider that it's not a monthly subscription but a per update. If he doesn't release an update, he doesn't receive any of your subscriber money. Simple as

 

[Sharingan33]

It's crazy to think that next September this game will have 7 years of development. This has been going on since before Covid-19.

 

[Skeltom]

It's crazy to think that next September this game will have 7 years of development. This has been going on since before Covid-19.

It started 6 years, 11 months and 20 days ago. It didn't help that "Development was on pause through 27-Sep-2018 to 26-Aug-2020".

 

[iopq]

I see reading comprehension is not your thing.
I said none of that you just implied that and started hating on your false interpretation.

....

Might I suggest investing in a mirror. Reading through your objectively wrong takes is pretty painful.

We get it.., you either regret donating to a creator and/or just feel entitled to content. No need to make a piss rant projecting your delusions. (Made even worse by contradicting yourself)

Instead of just taking the L you're doubling down and shitting up the forum.

 

[sc0rp10n]

Might I suggest investing in a mirror. Reading through your objectively wrong takes is pretty painful.

We get it.., you either regret donating to a creator and/or just feel entitled to content. No need to make a piss rant projecting your delusions. (Made even worse by contradicting yourself)

Instead of just taking the L you're doubling down and shitting up the forum.

Wrong and reading properly what I wrote couldn't possibly give you that conclusion, delusional...
End of discussion from my site.

 

[mtrkar]

What's the record for longest ongoing game cuz this one has to be up there.