VN Ren'Py Aperture [Ch.2] [Vonsatia]

[NiktoAzure]

Why though? Why is it not common to imagine a character transformation in NTR games? Why do we assume that the character in question has to remain the same from start to finish? Why do we believe it has to be a straight path from Point A to Point B and not through many different stages in-between?

As ffive mentioned above, that's what we usually have in adult games with the tag "corruption," isn't it?

There must be a reason and a condition for the transformation.
We just know that Rin is just and wants to catch the villain.
And it would be strange if she fell in love with him, since it turns out he's not really that evil, he just became that way and lacks love? How stupid?
Yes, there is a game called "Turning the Page". Where the heroine falls in love with the villain, but it seems to start with blackmail and coercion.

 

[Neryxon]

No? Noone thinks they should remain the same, its called corruption and its a large part of the reason to be here. But said corruption needs an impetus. A starting point. And thats where blackmail comes in, so the ntr can start happening and slowly warp the character.

I would love to hear better scenarios, but I always hear hating on blackmail, but never anything specific that would actually work. I would also love a mix-up, but I just dont really see how.

Here's one example:

1. A girl wants to change the world around her for the better (Point A).
2. She tries hard to do something about it, again and again, until she painfully realizes it's all in vain (Point B).
3. She gradually adopts a more radical stance and does things previously unimaginable to her; in other words, she becomes part of the system in an attempt to change it, and the system begins to corrupt her (Point C).
4. In dealing with people around her, she becomes more comfortable with intimate contact; that's where NTR begins (Point D).
5. This arc can be continued in later stages.

 

[NiktoAzure]

Here's one example:

1. A girl wants to change the world around her for the better (Point A).
2. She tries hard to do something about it, again and again, until she painfully realizes it's all in vain (Point B).
3. She gradually adopts a more radical stance and does things previously unimaginable to her; in other words, she becomes part of the system in an attempt to change it, and the system begins to corrupt her (Point C).
4. In dealing with people around her, she becomes more comfortable with intimate contact; that's where NTR begins (Point D).
5. This arc can be continued in later stages.

But this turns out to be pure corruption, and by the time she gets close to the hero, she's already a whore. As a result, NTR doesn't really happen.
1. This is understandable, the hero will help here too.
2. That's where the problem lies: if the hero isn't around, and she becomes more depraved, as if from powerlessness. But if the hero is there, then, in theory, that won't happen, because she has support. That together they overcome difficulties.
Otherwise, Rin wanted sex and drugs from the very beginning.
3. Again, like point 2. If she has support and a loved one, then she'll endure it; otherwise, she was a whore from the very beginning and seemed to mean harm.
4. And here is a problem in terms of NTR, if Rin is already a slut from the very beginning, then how strange would it be to call her NTR?

 

[ffive]

No? Noone thinks they should remain the same, its called corruption and its a large part of the reason to be here. But said corruption needs an impetus. A starting point. And thats where blackmail comes in, so the ntr can start happening and slowly warp the character.

You don't need some dramatic, single and blatant event for the "corruption" to take place. It can be just as well done through "boiling the frog" approach, where what's initially very low-key events provide increasing effect on the victim over time, without them even realizing what is occuring to them.

Like i pointed out before, in reality people manage to convince other people to have sex with them without resorting to blackmail, rape drugs and all the other crutches so many NTR games rely on. All it really involves is prolonged exposure, growing familiarity and slow erasure of boundaries in ongoing interactions.

 

[Neryxon]

But this turns out to be pure corruption, and by the time she gets close to the hero, she's already a whore. As a result, NTR doesn't really happen.
1. This is understandable, the hero will help here too.
2. That's where the problem lies: if the hero isn't around, and she becomes more depraved, as if from powerlessness. But if the hero is there, then, in theory, that won't happen, because she has support. That together they overcome difficulties.
Otherwise, Rin wanted sex and drugs from the very beginning.
3. Again, like point 2. If she has support and a loved one, then she'll endure it; otherwise, she was a whore from the very beginning and seemed to mean harm.
4. And here is a problem in terms of NTR, if Rin is already a slut from the very beginning, then how strange would it be to call her NTR?

I think it doesn't necessarily have to be the case given that Rin continues to love Keita throughout the corruption arc but decides to rely on herself first and foremost. Plus, Keita can be facing significant challenges himself.

In other words, there could be a deep romance arc at the beginning that makes the player (not just Keita) fall in love with Rin, followed by (or accompanied by) the corruption arc that blends into NTR, creating a strong contrast between the initial love and the heart-breaking infidelity.

So, the story would use segmentation to establish different arcs for different purposes, each complementing and strengthening the others:

1. Romance arc: to create a strong attachment to the character.
2. Corruption arc: to introduce tension and challenge, and to provide a reason for NTR.
3. NTR arc: to finally deliver the "main dish."

What do you think about it? I'm curious about your opinion.

P.S.
By the way, by "corruption" here I don't actually mean sexual activity. In this case, it's more about a dramatic change in one's views and actions.

 

[Rozhok]

The way I see it, Rin is a strong willed woman who does what she believes needs to be done to get what she needs. The MC will be unable to stop her and maybe even has to watch her do it at some point.

Not sure what NTR category you would put this is, maybe Coercion? It's a direction I would hope to see this going, but we'll see what the devs cooks up

 

[nhami]

1. Fair enough
2. + 3. Painfully realizing it is in vain leads her to what? Become part of it herself? Infiltrate? I can see that being a thing where Rin tries to infiltrate trying to do as little sexual stuff as possible but at the same time remain her "cover". I havent seen this set up in any way by the game, gonna be honest. But I see this could be a thing.

I can see this progressing like that, but again, I do not see this set up this way. And Von was talking about starting NTR at Ch. 3, so its really hard for me to see how this is being pulled off.

Plus, would a smart FMC really think its such a great idea to put her own body at risk just to get what she wants?
I know of a few games doing stuff like this, but in most cases the girls were kind of stupid. The only one I can think of that is doing it somewhat passably is Falling Undercover: Nox Syndicate. Even that one though Im starting to loose a bit of interest cause its too much "well you gotta play along now, its for the good of your lover". Its heavily cliched and it leaves out smarter alternative options. Plus, the entire world was created to set up for this scenario. In the case of Aperature it doesnt seem that way for me so far. It might be possible in this world, but the world wasnt specifically designed with that scenario in mind I feel.

My A-Rank Witch is also doing something along those lines in some paths. Going for the "I have a grand goal and I will do stuff to achieve it cause I have no other choice". But again, the world is set up very much explicitly for this. Plus even there they are skirting the line of the believable. The more you have the character go for stuff like this and entertain these sexual acts - even if it is just an act - the more you will sacrifice the integrity the players see in them.



A few things regarding this.

1. First of all we would eliminate the "she heavily dislikes or hates the villain (Daizo)" with this angle. It is an important element in a NTR or corruption story for some people (not for everyone).

2. A setup like you describe it would take VERY long until there is even some sexual action or scenes going on. The question here is how long can you go until people become disinterested or are dissatisfied by that. Especially if the corruption arc has very little of that either.


I see where you are going with the idea. I just don't know if Von has planned it this way, if people can stay hooked (me included) and it eliminates a few elements that people like about NTR / corruption stories.

You can do all that, you just need good writing. The story already have a good setup where the story basically write itself.
What keep reader engaged is the antecipation about what is going to happen next. The heroine agree a small step, but there is still a long way until the full corruption. You still need to see how the heroine will go from the very first concession, every moral concession in the way, and to very the last concession.

What people like about netorare/corruption is the heroine internal conflict. The audience wants to see the reactions of the characters about what is happening.
A slow corruption process showing the entire process is perfect fit for that. The sexual acts are just a culmination of the corruption.

I am dumb, but, netorare genre veterans do not want to see the story quickly moving to sex and then quickly ending. They want to see the entire corruption process with the consequences for the characters and also the agony that the characters feel during the process.

 

[ffive]

1. First of all we would eliminate the "she heavily dislikes or hates the villain (Daizo)" with this angle. It is an important element in a NTR or corruption story for some people (not for everyone).

Not at all. The heroine adopting more radical stance and doing things she previously wouldn't in order to achieve her goals doesn't mean she must stop disliking or hating the villain. It only means she's willing to interact with that disliked/hated person in ways she previously wouldn't.

 

[saitamaTM]

i think dev do good job with the character writing when the ntr hit it gonna be painfull

 

[laraislove]

i think dev do good job with the character writing when the ntr hit it gonna be painfull

Slow burn always hits hard in the end

 

[Ion.TemUS]

New Update (Info not new Chapter).
Anything interesting in the update?

 

[ALsaputra527]

Enough debate, i need new chapterrr kingggg

 

[Ion.TemUS]

Enough debate, i need new chapterrr kingggg

End of January / start of February according to the info I have.

 

[Metehanc7]

That's the funniest comment I've ever read on this site.
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source of your profile pic ?

 

[Neryxon]

End of January / start of February according to the info I have.

Personally, I wouldn't count on such an early release. That's a very tight schedule that can put a lot of unnecessary pressure on Vonsatia.

 

[Ion.TemUS]

Personally, I wouldn't count on such an early release. That's a very tight schedule that can put a lot of unnecessary pressure on Vonsatia.

I mean thats fine I just heard Von said something to that effect.
Unless the recent update said something else of course.

 

[Neryxon]

I mean thats fine I just heard Von said something to that effect.
Unless the recent update said something else of course.

As far as I remember, it was a personal goal he set for himself, not the actual planned release date.

I'm just afraid players might treat it as an official ETA. I've learned from my personal experience that such strict deadlines can be quite demotivating for creators.

 

[Zeref@123#]

Let me give you an honest progress so far. Best bet it will go till March.

 

[Rozhok]

Took half a year to develop ch2, so I wouldn't expect a februari release tbh.

 

[Neryxon]

Took half a year to develop ch2, so I wouldn't expect a februari release tbh.

Do you mean the second Chapter alone? If I'm not mistaken, it was around 4 months actually. Also, the circumstances were quite different, too.