I get what you're saying and I agree, but I myself don't go out of my way playing games with certain content that I'm not into only to complain about that said content, I'm not a masochists or troll, but that's neither here or there. I was just looking for clarity as to why the moderator thinks scenes like Vamps raping your supposedly Mother doesn't qualify as NTR. Because if that's the case then there's a alot of games with similar scenes that were labeled NTR, do we disregard those as well?Even worse, she gets raped and was clearly supposed to be your mother as well instead of your mom's friend. If do not like those kind of things though, just do not play this game. Nobody is holding a gun to our heads forcing us to play this game. I decided not to, even if do follow the thread to see developments and whether rest of the game seems to get a strong enough story that I will put myself over that part and fast forward past it as fast as possible for rest of game.
If do not like the content, do not play it. Just a pity the tag is removed since now many people who will def consider it to be NTR (rightly or wrongly, people use so many definitions I never know what they mean with those letters until some explanation of the content in game is given, so I will always check the thread for that ) will run into it without warning if do not read a part of the thread first.
but survilance cams at mall and go between 4 to 8pmHELP PLEASE , I am struck in the game I do not know what to do. i got camera and read the surveillance book also but when i got to emma nothing is happening. How to begin the objective Let the Show Begins part 1. Help me out please.
Buy the hoodie at the mallHow do I get in to the bar? It says I need a costume to get in to it? Is there a walkthrough?
The point is that there are indeed things happening in this game that will seriously turn off some players, while some others will hate it and even more hate it if walk into it blindly. (Ofc there are also enough people who love it and will play especially for that tag ).The site definition seems to actually be wrong then, or at least incomplete in a key way that applies directly to this game and others like it.
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That whole line sums this up, but the final line is the real key here.
Provoking jealousy in the audience by proxy.
NTR in games includes when you are forced to watch the object of your desire having sex with someone else, which evokes negative feelings in the player, for whom the MC is just an avatar. It evokes the negative feelings of jealousy in you, by proxy, as the avatar in the game is just a proxy for you the player. YOU are the one being forced to feel those negative emotions.
That is a key point here that many are ignoring whether intentionally or not. The MC in the game is the avatar of you the player. You are trying to get your avatar in the game to sleep with these sexy women you desire, the entire premise of the game is setup toward you sexually pursuing these women. Building attraction points, sending them sexual texts, all building toward having sex with them etc. You the player are the one building the sexual/emotional investment.
So when you're then forced to watch them being sexually taken by other men, you the player are being cuckolded and forced to endure the negative feelings of having the object of your desire in the game fucked etc by other men.
In this game you're forced to watch Julia, Olivia, Sara, Emma, etc all being fucked, raped, mouth fucked, etc by other men.
As this is clearly evoking negative feelings in the player due to watching the object of their desire be sexually taken by other men, this fits the definition.
There's a reason so many people are getting upset about this game, because it is in fact NTR whether some here are willing to admit it or not.
Hm, I did not. The MC does mention during the investigation that maybe he could "benefit" from the same treatment if he visited her house but whenever I visited each room, nothing happens. One of them is reading a book, the other just chills etc... is there any special way to trigger this?I'm at 98%. Did you get the 4 additional scenes at Emma's house starting at 1600 hrs.?
++ on this ^ I really have no idea either. She's at 40% relationship for me, can't find any other way to move past that %How can make lucy suck u off before doing her homework? Can u fuck lucy during her sleep because the option is there for me but its grayed out? Can u also solo fuck olivia?
yes i got same situation nothing is happening ,how can we trigger those scenes.Hm, I did not. The MC does mention during the investigation that maybe he could "benefit" from the same treatment if he visited her house but whenever I visited each room, nothing happens. One of them is reading a book, the other just chills etc... is there any special way to trigger this?
The point is that there are indeed things happening in this game that will seriously turn off some players, while some others will hate it and even more hate it if walk into it blindly. (Ofc there are also enough people who love it and will play especially for that tag ).
The term NTR seems to have become more or less an umbrella term to cover that alll, wrongly or rightly and to be honest my own definition of NTR is way smaller (for me it also has to contain abuse of the female NPC's that are intended as LI's or MC is intended to have emotional connection to like direct family by things like rape by force, mindcontrol, blackmail, drugs etc, them falling for it and MC can not avoid losing them to truly be NTR) and still this game falls under it in my eyes to be honest.
Problem is though that with removing the tag in this case the warning is also removed, which will only lead to a bigger shitstorm of players who do hate that content and now walk into that blindly. Not with whether this game has that kind of content or not, that is a choice that is in the end purely up to the dev. Up to us to decide if we then want to play a game with that content or not.
I managed to get to 100% progress and I believe there's no way to get some of the "grayed out" options in the dialogue for some characters like Lucy. (bj when helping her with homework).How can make lucy suck u off before doing her homework? Can u fuck lucy during her sleep because the option is there for me but its grayed out? Can u also solo fuck olivia?
I think it is a random trigger. I tried several times over several days before it finally did.Hm, I did not. The MC does mention during the investigation that maybe he could "benefit" from the same treatment if he visited her house but whenever I visited each room, nothing happens. One of them is reading a book, the other just chills etc... is there any special way to trigger this?
I checked the image files and found nothing like that. As far as the night time sex, you have to buy pills from Bruno then give them to her after doing her homework. You can have sex with a possessed Olivia at Emma's house.How can make lucy suck u off before doing her homework? Can u fuck lucy during her sleep because the option is there for me but its grayed out? Can u also solo fuck olivia?
Not wanting to make this a discussion and will gladly see what redefinition of tags will mean in future. Thing is though that Olivia is clearly meant to be his mother in the game and even was in past officially if remember right. So besides being a LI or maybe better put she is a fuck intrest and clearly meant to be a LI in game from the very start, she also qualifies on the other formal relationship as the mother in game. I will gladly see another tag as NTR for that in future, just as long as it gives the warning of which content upsetting to some you are going to face in a game. Have a great day and already got the content you defended so eloquently in DMD?Let's try to make this more clear:
I agree that NTR has become an umbrella term far beyond the scope of its appropriate use: it should not have been added for this game, specifically. The next revision of tags on this site may help to further delineate related types of interactions between characters in a more granular fashion over time.
- NTR definition at this site is based on netorare, specifically a loved one who cheats on the MC to cause jealousy.
- NTR does not include reactions to characters being raped, which is an entirely different motive/situation
- NTR does not include reactions to characters the player may fancy, but the MC does not consider a "loved one" and who is not causing jealousy in the MC
- Netori, etc. are not covered by this tag
- There is cheating amongst some characters in this game (some due to, or in league with, the MC), so that tag has been added
- The rape tag has also been added
However, there is no practical tag for a situation where some players of this game may become upset that a female character they fancy has sex with a NPC, even though the MC is not in anything remotely close to a formal relationship with that character, e.g., Olivia initially being raped by a ghost/spirit, but then liking it - she and the MC have no committed love/relationship at this point and it doesn't cause jealousy in the MC, quite the opposite: it actually turns him on as if he's watching amateur porn. This is not NTR in any common definition, on this site or elsewhere.
Further debate on NTR meaning and/or site tagging can go to General Discussions, as such discussions can become noisy and distract from game threads.
Did you possibly mean to reference Julia (i.e., mother's best friend)?Not wanting to make this a discussion and will gladly see what redefinition of tags will mean in future. Thing is though that Olivia is clearly meant to be his mother in the game and even was in past officially if remember right. So besides being a LI and clearly meant to be a LI in game from the very start, she also qualifies on the other formal relationship as the mother in game. I will gladly see another tag as NTR for that in future, just as long as it gives the warning of which content upsetting to some you are going to face in a game. Have a great day and already got the content you defended so eloquently in DMD?