VN Ren'Py Artemis [v0.6.2b] [digi.B]

[Cabin Fever]

Again, you can't make artificial HUMAN EGGS, where would they have come from? Being able to surrogate parent would make sense for a domestic android. Being able to actually replace humans is bit much.

Not that I disagree with you on the whole "she can't get pregnant" thing, but we can't make something akin to Artemis in real life neither, yet there she is in the story. So why enforce a limit on one aspect of science in the story but not the other?

And if we really do want to go down the science path, artificial or not, literally every physical thing in our daily lives is made up of protons, neutrons, and electrons. (Yeah, I know, there are other things like quarks, bosons, anti-matter, etc, but those aren't exactly daily life thing, are they?) And yes, that includes DNA, the building blocks of life, as well. So, in a sci-fi world, why not?

 

[Maccabbee]

Not that I disagree with you on the whole "she can't get pregnant" thing, but we can't make something akin to Artemis in real life neither, yet there she is in the story. So why enforce a limit on one aspect of science in the story but not the other?

And if we really do want to go down the science path, artificial or not, literally every physical thing in our daily lives is made up of protons, neutrons, and electrons. (Yeah, I know, there are other things like quarks, bosons, anti-matter, etc, but those aren't exactly daily life thing, are they?) And yes, that includes DNA, the building blocks of life, as well. So, in a sci-fi world, why not?

It's a matter of common sense. Why would someone invent something that can produce life if it's meant to serve or be a part of our society. If an android could create life it would lead to skynet. If it can carry existing life it would be fulfilling a needed service to help humanity and be a part of it. That's much different.

The science of an android like Artemis is actually not that far off of our current technology. Creating artificial human eggs that can be bred in an artificial life form? That's just fantasy, not science. And stupid, since there's no reason for it.

 

[HentaiGamerN00b]

Hmmmm.. I can't wait to also be "planting the seeds."

I share the sentiment.

Again, you can't make artificial HUMAN EGGS, where would they have come from? Being able to surrogate parent would make sense for a domestic android. Being able to actually replace humans is bit much.

Dude... That's the whole fucking subplot of Blade Runner 2049!!! And the Answer is a FUCKING YEAH, WE CAN PAL!


Oh...Before you ask, we are near done to produce the first Replicant in history, perhaps we can put in the artificial body GPT-v.X or Gemini-v.X if we like Americans, LeChat if we like Europeans or Deepseek if we like Asians ;v


Still not convinced because it's a work on the old reliable DNA? Don't worry, just search for Hachimoji DNA, it's crazy...

 

[Anteron]

It's a matter of common sense. Why would someone invent something that can produce life if it's meant to serve or be a part of our society. If an android could create life it would lead to skynet. If it can carry existing life it would be fulfilling a needed service to help humanity and be a part of it. That's much different.

Holy logical fallacies Batman! Non-Sequitor and Slippery Slope at least. 2 in one post.

 

[Cabin Fever]

It's a matter of common sense. Why would someone invent something that can produce life if it's meant to serve or be a part of our society. If an android could create life it would lead to skynet. If it can carry existing life it would be fulfilling a needed service to help humanity and be a part of it. That's much different.

The science of an android like Artemis is actually not that far off of our current technology. Creating artificial human eggs that can be bred in an artificial life form? That's just fantasy, not science. And stupid, since there's no reason for it.

That's one SUBJECTIVE take on this. But it's not the only take on it. I'll leave it at that.

 

[Ebonheart (FR)]

Look, I’m not here to question anyone’s preferences or fantasies, but what’s the point and how did this even become a topic of discussion ?

I’m not even sure pregnancy is something the game intends to explore. That said, if it ever does become part of the storyline, I can see a few of the girls fitting naturally into that kind of development.

On the other hand, making that work with a robot seems far less convincing. It’s difficult to see how that could be integrated in a way that feels coherent, and I doubt it’s something most players, or even the developer, would find appealing.

 

[HornyyPussy]

Look, I’m not here to question anyone’s preferences or fantasies, but what’s the point and how did this even become a topic of discussion ?

I’m not even sure pregnancy is something the game intends to explore. That said, if it ever becomes part of the story, I imagine a few of the girls could fit naturally into that kind of development.

On the other hand, making that work with a robot seems far less convincing. It’s difficult to see how that could be integrated in a way that feels coherent, and I doubt it’s something most players, or even the developer, would find appealing.

It's up for discussion since it's talked about in the game I suppose.

 

[pitao]

It's up for discussion since it's talked about in the game I suppose.

I agree but there seems to be a few exceptions, once I made the mistake of talking about law and politics in general and specific to US in another game and those are heavy topics in the game itself. Never used it to make a political statement, only voiced my opinion about topics that were treated in the game, I guess it was reported anyway and deleted so I simply unfollowed that game thread (without fuss or whining, I'm not like that) so I wouldn't be tempted to break that rule again haha. So yeah as long this discussion won't get religious or political I guess it is within the rules.

 

[Maccabbee]

The game doesn't mention anywhere that Artemis can get pregnant, just that she has a uterus that can carry a baby to term. She can be a walking incubator. I assume based on the discussion in the game, that this was potentially to act as a surrogate mother and carry a fertilized egg to term. I don't think, and it isn't mentioned at all, that she has working ovaries. There was no mention of menstruations.

Also, the ability to be a surrogate mother may well be why she was given a functioning digestive system. It would be far easier for her to supply nutrients to her uterus for the baby by consuming food than by getting any other artificial external source. The ability to taste and feel is also a big part of being human, so I can see why that was built in to Artemis. If the goal is to make a more human android, it would be tough without those experiences.

 

[Ebonheart (FR)]

Regarding the topic we were discussing, I didn’t mean to suggest it was impossible or off-limits to bring it up in the thread. I was simply wondering if it was truly relevant and why it suddenly turned into such a heated debate. That’s why this sudden fixation on the subject struck me as both a little amusing and a bit strange.

 

[xapican]

Regarding the topic we were discussing, I didn’t mean to suggest it was impossible or off-limits to bring it up in the thread. I was simply wondering if it was truly relevant and why it suddenly turned into such a heated debate. That’s why this sudden fixation on the subject struck me as both a little amusing and a bit strange.

Kindra mentions this, as an detail, It could just be that, a random information, and no worries we had this discussion already a few pages before (+50) and we came to the conclusion what Macabee said.

 

[pitao]

Is it weird I agree with both points of view? In a weird "Schrodinger's cat" kind of way hehe. Until I open the box I agree with Maccabbee but probably a (somewhat distant?) future me opening that box and observing it will agree more with the "artificial human eggs" theory . And no killing the cat, I prefer the sleep or awake version of Schrodinger cat hehe.

 

[FRVN]

The game doesn't mention anywhere that Artemis can get pregnant, just that she has a uterus that can carry a baby to term. She can be a walking incubator. I assume based on the discussion in the game, that this was potentially to act as a surrogate mother and carry a fertilized egg to term. I don't think, and it isn't mentioned at all, that she has working ovaries. There was no mention of menstruations.

Also, the ability to be a surrogate mother may well be why she was given a functioning digestive system. It would be far easier for her to supply nutrients to her uterus for the baby by consuming food than by getting any other artificial external source. The ability to taste and feel is also a big part of being human, so I can see why that was built in to Artemis. If the goal is to make a more human android, it would be tough without those experiences.

Correct, the MC even mentions that it's impossible for her to conceive on her own, and then Kindra brings up possible ways around that limitation.

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[xapican]

I prefer the sleep or awake version of Schrodinger cat hehe.

Pass me your postal adres please, I'll send you my "Cat" which has only those 2 states, instead of the 3rd chasing mice, and I have to waste time putting up traps......grrr!

 

[Ebonheart (FR)]

Correct, the MC even mentions that it's impossible for her to conceive on her own, and then Kindra brings up possible ways around that limitation.

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I didn’t remember that part, but am I the only one who finds what Kindra seems to suggest kind of odd, even a little disturbing ? At least this dialogue has the merit of being clear and should, in theory, put an end to the debate on this topic. ^^

 

[pitao]

Correct, the MC even mentions that it's impossible for her to conceive on her own, and then Kindra brings up possible ways around that limitation.

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Yes it is correct in the boundaries of this sci-fi story and we all know that by what happens in the renders in your post. It is set that way in this story (or is it? ) by Digi.B. But would be that far fetched if a similar game than this with "looser" science fiction boundaries to treat this differently? I guess not as long it is decently explained, probably I would follow that story with the same interest. A good example with looser boundaries is time travel stories and I love those too as nonsensical they can get, I'm a science geek but not a purist, enjoy every aspect of science, "real" and fiction.

 

[FRVN]

Yes it is correct in the boundaries of this sci-fi story and we all know that by what happens in the renders in your post. It is set that way in this story (or is it? ) by Digi.B. But would be that far fetched if a similar game than this with "looser" science fiction boundaries to treat this differently? I guess not as long it is decently explained, probably I would follow that story with the same interest. A good example with looser boundaries is time travel stories and I love those too as nonsensical they can get, I'm a science geek but not a purist, enjoy every aspect of science, "real" and fiction.

I'm fully expecting them to find a way for her to be able to conceive, or at the very least carry a child with physical appearance similar to her own like Kindra suggests with genetic engineering, because why else would it be brought up? It's the

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narrative principle in action. But I suppose it could just be brought up as part of the narrative about AI/androids and whether they are human or not, rather than something that needs to be solved.

 

[pitao]

I'm fully expecting them to find a way for her to be able to conceive, or at the very least carry a child with physical appearance similar to her own like Kindra suggests with genetic engineering, because why else would it be brought up? It's the

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narrative principle in action. But I suppose it could just be brought up as part of the narrative about AI/androids and whether they are human or not, rather than something that needs to be solved.

Yep I enjoy narratives with that principle in action also, that was why I put between parenthesis "Or is it?", I enjoy to let my imagination "run wild". My doubt is Artemis still consider an Android or a Cyborg if could conceive naturally? Well thinking just a bit about it is an Android since it would still be Artificial, right?

 

[Ebonheart (FR)]

I'm fully expecting them to find a way for her to be able to conceive, or at the very least carry a child with physical appearance similar to her own like Kindra suggests with genetic engineering, because why else would it be brought up? It's the

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narrative principle in action. But I suppose it could just be brought up as part of the narrative about AI/androids and whether they are human or not, rather than something that needs to be solved.

I don’t necessarily think this is meant to be a plot device or a clue that will later play a key role in advancing or resolving a specific storyline in the game.

If Kindra is genuinely wondering how she might resolve this dilemma at that moment, it seems more like flavor dialogue, something used to highlight a theme in the game, such as the potentially sentient, even "human-like" nature of the android they’re trying to develop, along with the various issues and questions that arise from it. It also helps showcase Kindra’s eccentric, borderline mad-scientist personality in a fun way, at least in my view. ^^

The suggestion she makes doesn’t really come across as serious, at least not from the perspective of someone more pragmatic who would consider the ethical and moral implications, or even the societal acceptability, not to mention the legal aspects and the factual and technical feasibility of such an idea. And, in my opinion, why go through so much trouble for something that doesn’t seem necessary or useful in practice to begin with ?

Of course, I could be wrong, especially if the game introduces new elements later that support your theory. But as it stands, I don’t think Kindra’s casual comment or the exchange in that scene alone is enough to suggest that this is a significant narrative thread or something that will play a major role going forward.

 

[pitao]

The suggestion she makes doesn’t really come across as serious, at least not from the perspective of someone more pragmatic who would consider the ethical and moral implications, or even the societal acceptability of such an idea.

Maybe that was the intention of Digi.B, for us to think about those implications, it is always a controversial subject when we deal with AI/Cybernetics and genetics/DNA or cloning. Can be just a causal conversation or mean something more, who knows, Digi.B probably knows hehe.

I enjoyed also the Katy path of the story when they were in the AI art exhibition, also raises some relevant questions about AI and made me think about it. Also controversial with polarized opinions, I keep my neutral stance about it since AI is still in its infancy. Future will tell.