Bill Temple

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Usually better to just check: if not _in_replay:. This way, you can use the same script without worrying about making mistakes with copy-pasta crap.


It can become unwieldly having everything in one giant script. Having properly named .rpy files that breaks down events/scenes can be advantageous and the more organized approach can make it easier to find/fix issues.

The size of the file, itself, doesn't matter in terms of Ren'Py's performance, since Ren'Py loads all .rpy files once you open the game, however.
There is no need to do this. You just have to check if you are _in_replay and modify the script accordingly.
Handling such a large file can become very difficult to maintain with identical names.
Time will tell us, if I have raison.
Absolutely, there could be some improvements to the code, and believe me, I understand duplicating "code" is undesirable and bad practice in a professional production setting. My copy-paste rebuttal isn't a defense of the practice, but a suggestion that's it's not such an insurmountable problem to cause the dev to drop the game.
In a sandbox game or other non-linear VN, it definitely makes sense to separate events into scripts by character or location. But this game is linear with little branching. I've been all over it, and had no trouble finding or making sense of anything here. The most complicated part of the code is the damn sex mini-game with Laura in the hotel, which is similar to minigames in Babysitter.
The Babysitter script was twice the size, all in one file, with multiple path branches, and was still completed. Unlike that script, Babysitters' script is far from being unwieldy. Certainly, nothing suggests Babysitters' script is too difficult to manage as joelurmel cited as the foundation for his belief that T4bbo was likely to abandon the project.
Again, I'm not saying keeping everything in one file is the right way to go or suggesting it's not disadvantageous. I'm saying that indie VN devs can make it work without much effort on their part. There are plenty of projects that carry on for years, some even to completion, with horrendous script organization or lack thereof. Unprofessional coding practices in these games aren't evidence that the project is facing abandonment.

I asked the question to see if there'd been any indication from T4bbo about difficulties with the game. It doesn't sound like there is any, just wild speculation.
 
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_Berto_

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Not sure if it's just me, but I'm finding that there's many paths for the wife which might be slowing down development for other characters. I personally don't mind her being a whore with Tony but where's Jessica, Jane, Erica and the Psychiatrist? Really lacking any direction where they fit into this story? And a dream/imagination sequence happened with Erica last update, now we have one with the MC thinking of Angel? Let's hope that's enough build up for these characters to either make an actual move to push the story forward.

Also, I see the posts about unprofessional/messy coding and it made me think. I recommend to the dev to make consistent development posts if you want more support or maintain support. I can understand all the paths becoming unweildy. There are a few devs I support with a lot more community engagement and weekly dev progress updates with similar or longer release cycles. I stick with them because I know there is progress and when it inevitably happens, reasoning behind delays.
 

JamesM81

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It would be nice if there's less of dream sequences and more of real world scenes.
Yeah T4bbo's teaser with Angelica previous to the release fooled me into thinking we would actually have content with her. Thankfully I've learned my lesson and now always read the changelog and some spoiler posts here to know what I'm getting into. I 100% would have been PISSED if I had subbed this month just to download an update that has almost nothing I like.
 

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At first I was annoyed that there was unavoidable sleep molestation but then it turned out to just be a dream so the whole thing was pointless anyway.

Not sure if it's just me, but I'm finding that there's many paths for the wife which might be slowing down development for other characters. I personally don't mind her being a whore with Tony but where's Jessica, Jane, Erica and the Psychiatrist?
I appreciate the content with Lara (don't play her cheating path) and don't really care that much for Erica, but I'll grant you that given the title of the game one wouldn't expect the MC's wife to be the primary love/sex interest.
 

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I appreciate the content with Lara (don't play her cheating path) and don't really care that much for Erica, but I'll grant you that given the title of the game one wouldn't expect the MC's wife to be the primary love/sex interest.
I'm playing the faithful cuckquean exhibitionist and finding the game very rewarding. The thing with Lara and the other girls, whether T4bbo planned it or not, is that a character with such a strong presence tends to take over the story. Erica just isn't there yet, neither Angelica for that matter. And even considering I usually prefer young women in these stories, I'm fiding the older ladies like Wick and Miranda much more interesting, just to share a thought...
 

DIRTY FILTHY Animal

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At first I was annoyed that there was unavoidable sleep molestation but then it turned out to just be a dream so the whole thing was pointless anyway.



I appreciate the content with Lara (don't play her cheating path) and don't really care that much for Erica, but I'll grant you that given the title of the game one wouldn't expect the MC's wife to be the primary love/sex interest.
I just hope he can tell Angelica about his dirty anal sex dream with her and how much she orgasmed and squirted in it, so she can say well old timer maybe I can make that dream can come true someday.
Also I can see Dr wick hearing him tell her about this dream in therapy next session and she will start getting turned on and fidgety in her chair and maybe she will try to seduce mc, starting with the “Sharon Stone” flash from “Basic Instinct” :love:

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Let Sasha handle it... Ignore her. Focus on Jessica. Lie to her. Let her continue. Otherwise I'll handle that... Be reasonable. Check her out. Focus on Jane. Lie to her. Let her continue.
 
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T4bbo

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I want to see her get bent over by the pizza boy, pool boy, cable guy, mail man & of course the plumber :ROFLMAO:
Plumber on the waaay.... :D


Ok, there have been lot of comments here lately that I wanna react to...
1.) Comments regarding double entries for the gallery and messy code... I don't know where you're coming from but I have lot of people (50+) thanking me for making such "easy to read code". Because of my game (Babysitter and Babysitters) there are literally hundreds of guys started with their own game. I don't even encrypt my files, everything accessible. One big file is big advantage for me, if you work with Visual Studio Code with renpy plugin using all available shortcuts I'm literally 10x faster maintaining it than if you have code in 10 different files, but might be personal preference... during development with storywriter scripts are actually divided for each particular scene but before release everything is put together for better/faster maintenance in future.

But worst of all is making assumptions on bullshit statements about the messy code that game will be abandoned... that is absolute trash talk. I agree there can be really better/faster way to automate gallery creation... so please do it, for sure I'm going to pay you if you save my time. Also file size whether it's one big file or 10 smaller files with same size, doesn't matter in terms of Ren'Py's performance that is a big lie.

2.) Comments regarding Lara taking over the game... it's valid point... I fully agree with that, even tough I like her storylines variability I personally don't like it either that she's getting so much air time overshawoding other girls right now and story progression. But that is going to change next update pretty dramatically where Erica + Angelica and story progression is most important.

3.) Lara being a total bitch, no value in her... one page long NTR hate feedback... "Here we go again!"... that one star feedback with lot of likes is actually tribute to the game showing people care for this game so much and want less NTR and more romance. Become a patron and vote for that don't whine "one vote doesn't change anything". I personally don't like cheating and I don't like creepy Tony either, but I get so many requests and votes for him so I do it. It's also OPTIONAL... you don't have to play that route. By your own choices you make Lara a cheating bitch with no value, but remember in eyes of lot of players she is irresistible hot bitch because of that.

4.) Lack of Harem even if there is tag for it... what the actual f... what is cuckqueaning experience with Lara and different girls without any NTR against MC? It's actual biggest realistic harem you can ever get in real life other than being Pharaon with lot of concubines or being absolute Gigachad or using status + fame to change super models like Leo Di Caprio.
 
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packard1928

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T4bbo... Love the above comments ! I personally LOVE Laura! Hot Lady doing hot things. I love it that her husband is also there or involved. Anything with her in a sharing situation is Hot ! I would like to see here not cheat.... but that is as you mentioned a different path. Well done by the Way !!
 

lipe2410

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I personally don't like cheating and I don't like creepy Tony either, but I get so many requests and votes for him so I do it
I mean, listen to your patrons requests is great but i think in situations like this, where you have a prevalent side asking more and more content, is important to know draw a line about those requests so you don't overwhelm the game with just one type of content. It's importan do that even for you sake as a creator, imho, so you don't get the risk to burnout for work always the same content with the same characters. Be optional is the ideal always but when a path/type of content seems like take over all the spotlights (and i'm not saying this the case with your game currently) sometimes can make some players feel "punished" with less sex/lewd content for not take that specific optional route they don't like. I personaly like more when devs handle the ntr/non-ntr optional paths using the 1:1 ratio scene, meaning if you avoid the ntr lewd scene, you get a non-ntr lewd scene and vice-versa.

Just my 2 cents, i started playing yestardy and i'm already in love with the game (and with Lara). I'm all down for more romance MC/Lara and they doing more and more naughty things just the two of them. And I think if you really wanna make more of this type of content too (MC/Lara romance) you shouldn't feel repressed to make it because isn't what your patrons most request. Just do it alongside with the others routes. I think your patrons will understand.
 

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T4bbo, this is absolutely my favorite game where there is almost everything I could wish for :love::love:.
Pictures, characters, story, lyrics, realism etc.

I hate Tony too but for this game with Lara he is perfect, he should fuck her even harder :LOL: .
Angelica isn't my favorite either, but she fits perfectly into this game with Mike.

My biggest fantasy is Dr.Wick, I hope that she comes into the game slowly and hotly :devilish:.

Keep it up T4bbo, you are my hero and an honor to be a supporter (y)(y).
 

DIRTY FILTHY Animal

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Plumber on the waaay.... :D


Ok, there have been lot of comments here lately that I wanna react to...
1.) Comments regarding double entries for the gallery and messy code... I don't know where you're coming from but I have lot of people (50+) thanking me for making such "easy to read code". Because of my game (Babysitter and Babysitters) there are literally hundreds of guys started with their own game. I don't even encrypt my files, everything accessible. One big file is big advantage for me, if you work with Visual Studio Code with renpy plugin using all available shortcuts I'm literally 10x faster maintaining it than if you have code in 10 different files, but might be personal preference... during development with storywriter scripts are actually divided for each particular scene but before release everything is put together for better/faster maintenance in future.

But worst of all is making assumptions on bullshit statements about the messy code that game will be abandoned... that is absolute trash talk. I agree there can be really better/faster way to automate gallery creation... so please do it, for sure I'm going to pay you if you save my time. Also file size whether it's one big file or 10 smaller files with same size, doesn't matter in terms of Ren'Py's performance that is a big lie.

2.) Comments regarding Lara taking over the game... it's valid point... I fully agree with that, even tough I like her storylines variability I personally don't like it either that she's getting so much air time overshawoding other girls right now and story progression. But that is going to change next update pretty dramatically where Erica + Angelica and story progression is most important.

3.) Lara being a total bitch, no value in her... one page long NTR hate feedback... "Here we go again!"... that one star feedback with lot of likes is actually tribute to the game showing people care for this game so much and want less NTR and more romance. Become a patron and vote for that don't whine "one vote doesn't change anything". I personally don't like cheating and I don't like creepy Tony either, but I get so many requests and votes for him so I do it. It's also OPTIONAL... you don't have to play that route. By your own choices you make Lara a cheating bitch with no value, but remember in eyes of lot of players she is irresistible hot bitch because of that.

4.) Lack of Harem even if there is tag for it... what the actual f... what is cuckqueaning experience with Lara and different girls without any NTR against MC? It's actual biggest realistic harem you can ever get in real life other than being Pharaon with lot of concubines or being absolute Gigachad or using status + fame to change super models like Leo Di Caprio.
Any chance Mc will be able to have a 3some with Dr Wick & Laura :love: ? I know he would probly bang dr wick first before getting there which would love to see happen anyday now:ROFLMAO:
Next update hopefully, she’s got my vote on Patreon
 
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2.) Comments regarding Lara taking over the game... it's valid point... I fully agree with that, even tough I like her storylines variability I personally don't like it either that she's getting so much air time overshawoding other girls right now and story progression. But that is going to change next update pretty dramatically where Erica + Angelica and story progression is most important.

4.) Lack of Harem even if there is tag for it... what the actual f... what is cuckqueaning experience with Lara and different girls without any NTR against MC? It's actual biggest realistic harem you can ever get in real life other than being Pharaon with lot of concubines or being absolute Gigachad or using status + fame to change super models like Leo Di Caprio.
I have no issues with the game personally, so I find it hard to understand how people can complain about the game when it's clearly good enough to not be criticized (I'm also thankful that you picked it back up after that long hiatus in the past, the wait was painful but I guess it's worth it).

Regarding your (2) I think it's alright that Lara takes over the game for the moment as she is the key to the relationship evolving and the prior issues being addressed. Her becoming more open sexually and focusing more on herself and her desires would be the starting point for other girls to enter their lives as she'd become more open and accepting. So until she makes up her mind about this new outlook on life I'd say it's alright even if you mainly focus on her for a few more updates. She's already begun to be influenced by her desires as she's considering every woman around her as a potential partner instead of just being jealous like in the past.

For the (4), I think it's because people assume harem is something the likes of My New Family or Grandma's House where you have 20 girls flocking around you and ready to be banged on demand. Clearly Babysitters is "a bit" more realistic than those and shows the relationship between Lara and MC turning from a more private/toxic one to an open one that could turn into a harem as more girls become their sexual partners during their sexcapades (well, we don't know yet how it will turn out)

My only small complaint that isn't really one is that it's a real pity that Kylie didn't join them in this latest update. I kept waiting for it but in the end there was only teasing. A pity indeed. It felt like she would join them at any moment from the temptation. Shame, shame.

Anyway I'm satisfied with the updates, even if they don't come every month or 2 (would be perfect if it were the case). Keep it up ! Don't listen to the haters that pushed you to stand up for yourself.
 
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