Daxter250

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Nothing has been done one way or the other about Tails' (or any of the other "Sonic's friends drop by for a visit") scenes as yet. However, I pretty much intend to proceed in the same direction FuzzyBunny23 was going with his version: the darker, "rapey-er" aspects are going to be toned way down or eliminated, especially ones that involve inflicting physical or mental abuse on the other characters. So all of that garbage Avalon put in there regarding Sonic treating his supposedly-best-buddy like crap is going to go away at some point.
does that mean that the moral alignment content will also be redone to the point that only content with positive morals will be shown?

i acually found it kinda fun to play around with both sides. :whistle:
 

Ferghus

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Love Potion Disaster? It got updated at the end of February. It's still going.
Really? Where'd you see that? I'm looking at their forum and it seems like there hasn't been an update since .
 
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Getting rid of the Willy Wonka game over sound clip...I haven't gotten a game over in this since my first time playing ages ago, but it still pissed me off. Great addition to this version of the game!
 
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Novilon

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What are those file signature things about?
File signatures are what you can use to verify that the file you downloaded is complete and hasn't been altered or substituted. After you download the file, you use a tool like (note: this is a Windows tool, but similar tools exist for Mac and Linux) to calculate the MD5 or SHA1 "hash" signature of the file you downloaded, then compare it to the signatures I posted. If they match, then they're the file I uploaded.

I included them because a few months ago, over on FuzzyBunny's thread, some people were saying that when they tried to download the game from his upload links, they were getting something other than the .ZIP file they should have gotten because the file hosts were redirecting the links somehow. So this is just another way to verify that you're getting the file you're supposed to be getting. :)
 

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Dang, lots of questions already... :oops: Okay, let's see if I can get through them all, here... (Though some of these are already answered if you start the game and read the Tutorial and FAQ pages, hint hint... ;) )

Also Not that we dont appreciate the Time and energy that went into it but a pet pev of mine was always THIS GAME NEEDED A WALKTHROUGH for the 100% percent play through or does any have a complete walkthrough by any chance??????????????
Currently, no, there is no complete walkthrough for the game. Nor, honestly, is there likely to be one any time in the near future, since there's so much dynamic content where scenes can change depending on what you've done or not done previously. This is not a linear "on rails" game where there's only one path to get to the end.

Some questions though. Will you be working on this solo or be having a team of people help you with this project? Also, will you be using Fuzzy BSC Discord for communication stuff or making your own down the line when you see fit? Lastly, will you be doing your own additions to the game that we probably wouldn't have seen in Fuzzy version that you were helping with?
How many others may or may not contribute remains to be seen. :) I don't have a "team", as such, but I'm definitely taking note of suggestions, both here and in the Discord — and we've already had one user express eagerness to start doing more art, which would be nice.

Currently, yes, we're still debating these things on the Discord that Fuzzy originally set up. I am contemplating starting a new one of my own, simply because I have no "posting privileges" in the really important channels (like actual "releases" or "changelogs") or any ability to moderate Fuzzy's, and there appear to be no active moderators on it anymore anyway. I haven't quite decided on that yet.

UPDATE: Turns out there is still an active mod on the "Babysitting Cream Dev Crew" Discord after all, and he was able to set me up with the correct privileges to be a "moderator" and "game dev", so unless I discover some crucial situation where I absolutely, positively need to be a full admin on the server, we'll continue to use the one Fuzzy set up; there were some good discussions and suggestions in there that I'd just as soon not lose by changing servers. :)

As for new content:

The question I have is, after dealing with all the shit of cleaning up the game's stuff that has already been done, will there be original content?
The answer is yes, there will be new content added, along with cleaning up the existing stuff. In fact, this very release contains quite a bit of new content which, strangely enough, is listed in the changelog under "new content"! :p But no, seriously, I do intend to do a mix of both cleanup and new content in each release from now on, so that the game will continue to evolve.

so cool but the worst thing i never want to see again is the annoying willy wonka angering us for our actions. :mad:(n)
i prefer some furry police officer punishing us for our behaviors while keeping Cream safe from us. :cool:(y)
Ask and ye shall recieve. :giggle: The Willy Wonka bad-ending screen is already gone, and will not return. A Mobian police officer is definitely an option for possible "bad ending" screens in future (there's one already, but it's kind of a "blink and you miss it" thing.)
 
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Really? Where'd you see that? I'm looking at their forum and it seems like there hasn't been an update since .
Ah, nevermind. I misread things the other day since I hadn't been there in a bit and I recently reset my computer so I had nothing to go off of.
 
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does that mean that the moral alignment content will also be redone to the point that only content with positive morals will be shown?

i acually found it kinda fun to play around with both sides. :whistle:
I agree it would be nice to at least keep already existing content that's darker/grittier to give the negative morals path meaning... otherwise there's really only an illusion of choice. Though it's understandable to not focus on it or make additional dark content, and possibly to add consequences/bad endings for choosing some of those things.
 

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you should keep the option there for people who like that stuff as alternate route.
Well, there's a couple of reasons why I, at least, am not going to do that.

(1) Every "option" like that, exponentially increases the complexity of the code, and the time that has to be spent writing and debugging it. Trying to make the game all things to all people and satisfy everyone, is a sure-fire way to guarantee that the game will never come within a mile of ever being done.

(2) Just as importantly — I, personally, don't like it. I don't want to write descriptions and code for it, I don't want to have to get art for it, and I don't want to have to repeatedly play through those scenes in order to debug them. Therefore, I'm not going to do it.

That being said, all of the existing Ren'Py versions — mine, FuzzyBunny's mod, and Protofan's original port of the flash game — are freely modifiable with all of the .RPY source files included, so if a significant portion of people really want to play a game like that, then you guys are perfectly free to create your own "fork" and rewrite the game to be as dark and rapey as you want. Just be sure to change the title, and take my name off of it, thanks.


does that mean that the moral alignment content will also be redone to the point that only content with positive morals will be shown?

i acually found it kinda fun to play around with both sides. :whistle:
The "moral alignment" system is already kind of broken in some ways — one thing I've been finding out while going through the code is that a number of the game-progress mechanisms are kind of screwy, and always have been. On the other hand, there is definitely something to be said for a mechanism where choosing to embrace the Dark Side Of The Force instead of the Light Side both blocks off certain paths and opens up others. So... no, at the moment, I don't plan to remove it entirely; you're just not going to get to do some of the really ugly things Avalon threw in there as an "F-You" to his critics, or because he had a hate-on for a particular character, or whatever his reasoning was, and which otherwise serve no purpose to the storylines. Make sense? :)
 

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I agree it would be nice to at least keep already existing content that's darker/grittier to give the negative morals path meaning... otherwise there's really only an illusion of choice. Though it's understandable to not focus on it or make additional dark content, and possibly to add consequences/bad endings for choosing some of those things.
never like bad ends in porn games tbh :/. they feel so ...cheap.

dark path also doesnt have to be like unwilling rape or so. could just bea more corrupt path where she likes getting used or being more of a sub? im sure there are ways to make it kinky and spicey without going the outright criminal path.

and agreed, leaving content alone is still better than just outright deleting it.

So... no, at the moment, I don't plan to remove it entirely
hmm, i see. well, time will tell how it will turn out.
 
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