Done a first draft of the code changes, will see about getting a new android build to test it and see if that fixes the problem long term. Not game breaking, but fresh in my mind since i have made edits in the file/around it...so i know what I am looking for and it shouldn't take long to do if I am right about it. Then, those changes can fold into 0.7.6 and beyond.
I was thinking the key objectives only. Mainly what the RWC and other requirements for Achievements only. Not a full guide just a target minimum to reach to unlock.
With some exceptions they can be obtained in various ways.
Here's those that are only obtainable in one way:
1) Footjob - only obtainable from playing HBG game with with Cream, where it's up to random chance. I think you just need to have her naked, I'm not going to dig through the .rpy's to find exact requirements, they are convoluted on this one.
2) Deepthroat - requires more than 5 blowjobs, then watch cartoons -> watch movie -> pull up dress -> finish yourself in bathroom.
3) Grind on swings/Sex on swings - Requires her to be naked and more than 10 lust, go on swings. For sex, you must've already had sex with her once elsewhere and seen grind event (so just go on swings twice if you didn't).
4) Sex on beach - Requires going to nude beach after having sex with her before, and there are two ways: 1) Steal her top while "seeing who does biggest splash" in the pool, you'll need 400 RWC or -7 moral alignment or cream being OK without a dress for that to succeed. Then suggest going to the beach if she is OK being naked. 2) Go to the beach from the town with more than 500 RWC or Cream being OK being naked. If going from the town, there's a chance you'll get even with Blaze instead.
5) Sex at movies - go see action movie on Thursday, Friday or Saturday, slipping a hand first requires 10 touch, actual sex requires her to be naked and 650 RWC.
6) Sex at store - go to cubby corner fashion store, peep on her, then tell her she's cute without the dress, she needs to be naked.
7) Sex with Blaze at nude beach - see "sex on beach" above
8) Oral from Sally at Fountain Square - just keep watching at the fountain on even days, there's no requirement.
9) Sex with Amy at her place/Threesome with Amy - Have sex with Cream, then go to park on even days, and keep going right on nature trail, eventually you'll run into Amy. Tell her that she's distracted and watch events unfold. Note that having sex with Cream prior to this is necessary to unlock threesome with Amy, not to fuck Amy. Then just call Amy and have sex with her (having Deepthroat has a slightly different scene where Cream demonstrates that to Amy).
10) Threesome with Sally - Have sex with Cream, call Sally and ask about gossip. One of the options is that she talks about Vanilla fucking like a rabbit, and you get the choice of confessing to Sally, do that. Then just call Sally over and fuck her.
11) Threesome with Knuckles - Requires having both vaginal and anal sex with Cream, call Knuckles over, put a porno and suggest having fun with Cream.
12) Threesome with Marine - I don't know if this is implemented yet.
13) Threesome with Tails - Requires having Cream naked, her done a blowjob, vaginal and anal sex. Call Tails over and suggest playing games, Cream suggests strip poker. Actual scene is random of three.
14) Dominate Tails - the infamous "rape tails" scene, requires -20 moral alignment and Cream's bikini top being stolen (and her being OK naked). Locks out Tails for the rest of the playthrough (he refuses to answer Sonic's calls afterwards).
15) Dominate Rogue - Cream must be OK being naked, requires -10 moral alignment and choosing to not trust Rogue. Note that this results in the pornstore being closed for 3 days. A more extreme scene requires -20 moral alignment, and completely locks out the pornstore (Rogue is... wrecked... to say the least).
After having several personal and computer problems (which still has problems but is functional at least) I'm starting to create the game images again.
Wish me luck and strength to my old i7 that can't handle much anymore.
A question regarding the scene with Rouge in the porn shop - I've noticed that there is a variations that triggers if you have a "cream_rouge" flag active. Normally scene with Rouge activates it, but only if you haven't had a handjob from Cream yet. That's a very specific requirement, and also damn near impossible to get (you need to have to have cream naked but not have a handjob, and usually handjob comes first), AND it requires -7 moral alignment. Is it intended to be locked away like this?
EDIT: The scene even has several variations despite having such a weird lock.
Starting to create the game images again, YES!
After having several personal and computer problems (which still has problems but is functional at least) I'm starting to create the game images again.
Wish me luck and strength to my old i7 that can't handle much anymore.
Welcome back Novaca. There will surely be several people who want more of the "original images" (Yours are the closest to them stylistically) who will be very happy to hear that.
A question regarding the scene with Rouge in the porn shop - I've noticed that there is a variations that triggers if you have a "cream_rouge" flag active. Normally scene with Rouge activates it, but only if you haven't had a handjob from Cream yet. That's a very specific requirement, and also damn near impossible to get (you need to have to have cream naked but not have a handjob, and usually handjob comes first), AND it requires -7 moral alignment. Is it intended to be locked away like this?
EDIT: The scene even has several variations despite having such a weird lock.
Hmm...Well...I think I know the scene and reason it was used...and if I am right...then it was a misunderstanding of when you could do a handjob or not...which would have created an unintentional extreme lock. (Kinda like the Amy threesome issue from before.) I will review...and if it is what I think it is...then I know WHY it was used, but with that oversight...and can then fix it in the stuff being worked on now...if not, then back to the drawing board!
EDIT: Yup. I was right. It was an oversight...though...I would have sworn there were instances I had played through where I had NOT had a handjob and still reached the 'get naked' trigger (Though I did not know the inner workings like we are talking about here, but knowing now what it triggers and what I have done in the game, I know I have reached it before. Perhaps that part ((No handjob)) was wrong in my brain, which led to the oversight...I did not review every requirement for every act in the game before working on stuff...)
So...I do not know what the solution will be yet...but there will be one.
For now, your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to try to get Cream comfortable being naked around you without getting a handjob, and then you can trigger that extra set of scenes.
After having several personal and computer problems (which still has problems but is functional at least) I'm starting to create the game images again.
Wish me luck and strength to my old i7 that can't handle much anymore.
After having several personal and computer problems (which still has problems but is functional at least) I'm starting to create the game images again.
Wish me luck and strength to my old i7 that can't handle much anymore.
Imagine if you could Buy Cream that as a 'slutty bikini' item? You would first have to "steal" her original bikini top and have skinny dipping unlocked and she could wear that at the beach and join in on the fun with Blaze?
A question regarding the scene with Rouge in the porn shop - I've noticed that there is a variations that triggers if you have a "cream_rouge" flag active. Normally scene with Rouge activates it, but only if you haven't had a handjob from Cream yet. That's a very specific requirement, and also damn near impossible to get (you need to have to have cream naked but not have a handjob, and usually handjob comes first), AND it requires -7 moral alignment. Is it intended to be locked away like this?
EDIT: The scene even has several variations despite having such a weird lock.
Thank God, I was driving myself crazy trying to figure out what triggered Cream in-store. Funny story, I actually managed to trigger this naturally during my first playthrough of this update. It was near the end of the first week but by the time I banged Rouge, I had already had sex with Cream multiple times, had at least one threesome and about maybe 70% of the achivements done, and yet up untill that point, I somehow I never picked any of the options that led to a handjob. Really made my following runs annoying cause I wasn't able to replicate it and couldn't figure out why.
Imagine if you could Buy Cream that as a 'slutty bikini' item? You would first have to "steal" her original bikini top and have skinny dipping unlocked and she could wear that at the beach and join in on the fun with Blaze?
That doesn't really work, you're already skinny dipping at that beach because it's private, I don't see how wearing a slutty bikini would make Cream wanna join when she's already naked. I think a better option would be to use it in the pool on Tails to trigger a non-rapey sex scene since skinny dipping seems to piss him off no matter what you do. Speaking of which...
Imagine if you could Buy Cream that as a 'slutty bikini' item? You would first have to "steal" her original bikini top and have skinny dipping unlocked and she could wear that at the beach and join in on the fun with Blaze?
Thank God, I was driving myself crazy trying to figure out what triggered Cream in-store. Funny story, I actually managed to trigger this naturally during my first playthrough of this update. It was near the end of the first week but by the time I banged Rouge, I had already had sex with Cream multiple times, had at least one threesome and about maybe 70% of the achivements done, and yet up untill that point, I somehow I never picked any of the options that led to a handjob. Really made my following runs annoying cause I wasn't able to replicate it and couldn't figure out why.
It is, there's 2 versions depending on how you get Marine's number.
That doesn't really work, you're already skinny dipping at that beach because it's private, I don't see how wearing a slutty bikini would make Cream wanna join when she's already naked. I think a better option would be to use it in the pool on Tails to trigger a non-rapey sex scene since skinny dipping seems to piss him off no matter what you do. Speaking of which...
I might be dumb hir what does CNC mean? Also are you saying there's already another pool scene or is this speaking on Tails in general?
To tell the truth I had no idea originally but in my mind thought it was shorthand for CoNCensual - but a quick search showed that although I was going along the right lines it actually means
'Consenual Non-Consent'
The definition, if you want it, is
'taboo kink where couples mimic a 'forced sex act' that is actually consensual'
As for 'another pool scene' then yes.... There's the original Tails rape scene, kept for nostalgia & another 'similar' scene thats more CNC
To tell the truth I had no idea originally but in my mind but thought it was shorthand for CoNCensual - but a quick search showed that although I was going along the right lines it actually means
'Consenual Non-Consent'
The definition, if you want it, is
'taboo kink where couples mimic a 'forced sex act' that is actually consensual'
As for 'another pool scene' then yes.... There's the original Tails rape scene, kept for nostalgia & another 'similar' scene thats more CNC
It is in 'Reimagined 0.7.5', in fact it was also in 'Remake 0.7'
How to get it ?? .. without giving too much away, it's the same way as the original Tails rape except Sonic not so mean, just a little bit more than Rouges CNC event
I just got back into playing again after finding out that this version of the game was out. I do appreciate that the art seems like a nice split between looking somewhat like Avalon's style (His early style being a little off-putting if you're weirded out by the characters, especially Cream, having more realistically humanoid bodies with big anthro heads on them. And then his newer style sorta went off the rails as he kinda made Sonic into a shlubby loser with a ponch, man boobs, and a tiny cock. I really do think that he's grown to resent his association with the game over the years and some of his choices in scenario and art design in the later stages of working on the game or its art reflect that.) and looking sort of like a natural porny style outgrowth of actual Sonic artwork. I'm still sorta morally dubious about AI art in a general sense, but this isn't exactly the kind of game to take a moral stand on, I guess lol.
And overall I like that some of the broken and underused scenes have been fleshed out so far.
I hope it's not overstepping my bounds since I'm sure everyone out there has dozens of ideas they want to cram into the game and that would be impossible to serve, but I did have a handful of thoughts/ideas that I wanted to put out there. I have other stuff in mind too becuase, as I've said in other posts on here, at points in the past I considered trying to expand the game myself before I decided that I don't know enough about how to work renpy other than coding basic events and scenes like what are already in the game.
1) It's always sort of annoyed me that the "special treat" blowjob in the kitchen doesn't actually sate Cream's hunger at all. Obviously it shouldn't be the same as a full meal, but it's annoying that you do that scene, Cream runs off as if she's no longer hungry, and yet her hunger meter doesn't change and you have to bring her back to feed her properly if you want to deal with it. Maybe doing the kitchen/feeding blowjob should just fill the meter slightly? Not back to maximum, but just add a point or two so it offers a small respite?
2) I feel like it'd make more sense for the Marine Girlie Scout cookie sale event to be earlier in the week than Day 6. Maybe swap it with the Free Beach Day event that's on day 2? The beach day has no special scenes, so its only value would be that it's free and that would be more valuable later in the week when your cash might be low. Meanwhile the expensive option to have sex with Marine represents a massive chunk of your initial budget of rings that you're more likely to have earlier in the week, which then gives you time to recoup them during the week if needed for other things. Plus since doing a Marine event gets her phone number this would leave more time to call her over on different days, especially if/when additional scenes with her are made, and it would leave getting her number from Rouge as a sort of fallback if you miss the cookie event because that too can take a while to get to since getting to the mochi-mochi shop requires a bit of fuss and randomness with Amy.
3) AFAIK from Beatmix the Deepthroat scene is a one-off that only comes back as part of Amy's threesome and you can't replicate the purely Sonic/Cream version of the scene again other than loading a save at the start of it. Maybe it'd be an idea to add a tweak to the BJ scene in Vanilla's room that lets Cream deepthroat Sonic (or lets Sonic ask her to go deeper) if you have the deepthroat flag/achievement? Because scenes that can only be seen once are annoying.
I do have a big document I wrote down a ton of ideas in a couple of years ago but I won't dig into those unless you guys are soliciting ideas or thoughts.
Nice idea, although there's so many stats in the game are you SURE you want EVERY possibility.
I can tell you it was a headache trying to figure out all the options available when I attempted my 1-day guide..
Just look at what the living room looked like in the Betamax edition and even then I didn't include everything like the card game options
Now imagine this for all the locations in game - Living room, kitchen, backyard, Vanilla and Creams room, bathroom, the Mall, movie theatre, fountain square, city park, the beach - and any others I forgotten about
I've also had a quick look through the recent version and RWC has many different levels to achieve 'stuff' ranging from 150 up to 750 plus there are other actions that required multiple stats
- for example there's one action where she is ' thinking and playing with the edge of her dress' where you need RWC >=500 AND you have to of had some fondling or managed to lick her pussy at some point, and another possibility where you need RWC>450 and your lust >=10 before she can try your 'special treat'... there's just too much to include to 'just make a guide of required stats' - but you're welcome to try
saru77 - looking at screen can I assume that's the android port ?, since PC has extra options along the bottom edge
I agree that a guide for everything would be nigh impossible.
A few days ago I was going to even write a post to illustrate this just by going through all the ways you can get Cream to take her panties off and it turns out that has even gotten more complex than it was in previous versions and I basically gave up because it would've taken me over an hour just to lay out one set of examples.
Like in the AvalonX Flash versions there were like 3 or 4 ways to get her out of her panties. Then in the last Betamix version I think there were maybe 6-8 options. But for 0.7.5 Reimagined there's like 10 ways each with a variety of stat checks except for using the laptop to cheat by making Cream comfortable nude. Most of it is RWC and whether or not Cream has some amount of sexual experience (particularly whether she's given or received oral sex or been fondled most of the time) but a couple of checks also look at lust and touch (the one I remember is the Mommy & Daddy game event in Cream's room), most require Cream to be comfortable without her dress on even if the scene starts in her dress, and some have lengthy prerequisites (like getting Cream's bikini top so that you can try to convince her to skinny dip) or a massive chain of different choices (there are 2 different ways to get her naked out of the handstand event in the back yard, one ending with taking her in the house and eating her out, the other with Sonic rubbing his cock on her exposed slit.) Like 3 or 4 of the scenes also automatically involve having sex with Cream, activating the vaginal flag/achievement at the same time. But not all of them do. The time sink to explore all of the big, necessary flags for things like getting Cream's dress or panties off, getting her to be OK to have anal, activating the threesomes and exploring their variants, and so forth would take forever.
And then there are some of the niche things that aren't even in the journal's achievement list. Like there's a whole hidden pair of scenes where Sonic can take Cream into the bathroom and get her to squirt/pee during sex or masturbation that has a very convoluted and non-obvious leadup (you have to play HBG with her, get the Truth or Dare option, ask her if she's peed in the shower to set the flag. Then you go and play in the pool and it has to be with her bikini on because you have to do the "just swim around" option, which may also require rejecting any automatically activating sexytime events. Once Sonic and Cream are swimming around you have to try to leave the pool while hiding Sonic's boner, then flee into the bathroom. Once in there depending on how far Sonic and Cream have gotten Cream may say she has to pee and Sonic will either sit her on the toilet and get her to finger herself while he jerks off/gets blown or he'll take her into the shower and finger her himself. Then it gets a little filthy (which I won't go into because I know that's not everyone's thing. Though thankfully it's pretty tame. Like nobody drinks any piss or gets it in the face or anything like that)
It would take forever just to map out those options even if you weren't also chaining back through the prerequisites.
There is a basic Marine Threesome option right now just to get the achievement. Actually there are two different ones.
1) You have to have done the cookie-selling event with Marine on Day 6, and paid for the most expensive option (300 rings?) to have sex with Marine. She'll give you her phone number afterwards if you didn't already have it (you can get it outside of this event if you find the mochi-mochi shop, talk to Rouge, and ask about Marine). Call her to come over and visit Cream and if you have the flag for the "Grand sponsor" event with Marine and Cream has been licked you'll get the first threesome scene, focusing on Sonic having sex with Marine.
2) Once you have Marine's phone number call her over. As long as you don't meet the requirements for #1 above (either you had to choose not to buy the most expensie option from Marine when she visited, you haven't done the cookie event either because it's not Day 6 yet or you skipped it, or you've somehow managed to get to the point of Cream having sex but haven't eaten her out at any point beforehand) and you have RWC >=600 and Cream has had vaginal sex you'll get the second threesome scene, focusing on Sonic having sex with Cream.
Unfortunately, and probably because the two scenes are placeholders for more content, there is no version of a scene where Sonic just has a go at both of them at the same time and it gets really freaky. Your options are only for Sonic has sex with one of them while the other gets eaten out by whoever Sonic is railing.
Some time later I actually thought of something else I wanted to bring up:
Would it maybe make sense to change the journal score tracker to just track the # of times each event has been done rather than assign point values to it and total those? Since there are scenes and events that require you to have seen/done certain things a certain # of times (like the deepthroat achievement being unlocked in part by Cream having given enough blowjobs) it would be useful to see "Blowjob from Cream: 4" rather than "Blowjob from cream (25 pts): 100" and having to do the admittedly simple math to figure out where you are.
I know it's a holdover from the earliest days of Avalon's original version*, but the points value thing feels like playing a NES game when most of them still had score totals as a holdover from the days of arcade games being prevalent, before developers realized that scores don't matter that much as a measure of anything except in a competitive environment. And I hardly think anyone here is going to post a gloating screenshot of how they have a score of 10,000 because they managed to have 3 threesomes a day with each of Sally, Amy, Tails, and Knuckles and also plowed Cream's ass 20+ times along the way.
*as an aside, the fact that this points mechanic existed back in the early Flash days sure puts a damper on claims I saw from him not too long ago where he tried to say that the game was something like a social experiment and wasn't designed for you to necessarily just spend the whole time fucking Cream like a super-perv.
Thank you, will look for that one to correct. At least it makes sense since 'i' and 'u' are right next to each other on my keyboard....so I know how it happened.
Imagine if you could Buy Cream that as a 'slutty bikini' item? You would first have to "steal" her original bikini top and have skinny dipping unlocked and she could wear that at the beach and join in on the fun with Blaze?
That doesn't really work, you're already skinny dipping at that beach because it's private, I don't see how wearing a slutty bikini would make Cream wanna join when she's already naked. I think a better option would be to use it in the pool on Tails to trigger a non-rapey sex scene since skinny dipping seems to piss him off no matter what you do. Speaking of which...
So...there is likely more going on there than you might think...so hear me out. I have to agree about the bikini vs skinny dipping aspect. While I am not against the concept of a 'normal swimsuit' you might expect Cream to wear in a non perverted universe, followed up by a "slutty" bikini (Thong, strings, lots of revealing type thing), as an in-between before she is fine being fully naked, but I can basically guarantee if we throw in a whole new set of requirement variations and steps that almost no one is going to be happy.
Don't get me wrong, I have my own thoughts on prospects in swimwear of varying types....I am just trying to look at this functionally, in the context of the coding and the 'game world.' Which brings me to: where does a slutty bikini make sense before you have built a relationship with cream and gotten her comfortable with you/engaged in alternative acts etc? In the context of the rest of the game, an argument could be made that she has it based on some things...
...implying a higher acceptance of such things, but then other times its countered with the whole 'You let me get away with it, don't tell mommy' vibe that you are letting her get away with things she wouldn't already do/have access to etc.
Now, that takes us two more places, adding in another bikini adds more coding and more image creation. Which is not in and of itself bad..but...it is more work someone has to do...and I would reference the original content,
which probably wasn't a game play specific choice, but rather trying to save time on the images that had to be made. (Potentially up to twice as many) and was keeping in mind that
preclude another bikini in the core gameplay dynamic. Now...I don't want to promise anything i shouldn't/can't...but if things were to flow well and lots of progress made...I could see creating a one off event (like the daily ones) where another bikini comes into play...and in that context, we might be able to get the image creation crew to be willing to do it
To tell the truth I had no idea originally but in my mind thought it was shorthand for CoNCensual - but a quick search showed that although I was going along the right lines it actually means
'Consenual Non-Consent'
The definition, if you want it, is
'taboo kink where couples mimic a 'forced sex act' that is actually consensual'
As for 'another pool scene' then yes.... There's the original Tails rape scene, kept for nostalgia & another 'similar' scene thats more CNC
It is in 'Reimagined 0.7.5', in fact it was also in 'Remake 0.7'
How to get it ?? .. without giving too much away, it's the same way as the original Tails rape except Sonic not so mean, just a little bit more than Rouges CNC event
Sorry...I take for granted that if even I know what something is...'everyone' has to...because I am only the last to know...(I only became aware of it within what, the last 2 years?)...Foxy is correct, Consensual Non-Consent.
Thank God, I was driving myself crazy trying to figure out what triggered Cream in-store. Funny story, I actually managed to trigger this naturally during my first playthrough of this update. It was near the end of the first week but by the time I banged Rouge, I had already had sex with Cream multiple times, had at least one threesome and about maybe 70% of the achivements done, and yet up untill that point, I somehow I never picked any of the options that led to a handjob. Really made my following runs annoying cause I wasn't able to replicate it and couldn't figure out why.
I was pretty sure you could get to sex without actually triggering Handjob. Glad it wasn't just in my head. This will be being fixed in the next iteration.
I just got back into playing again after finding out that this version of the game was out. I do appreciate that the art seems like a nice split between looking somewhat like Avalon's style (His early style being a little off-putting if you're weirded out by the characters, especially Cream, having more realistically humanoid bodies with big anthro heads on them. And then his newer style sorta went off the rails as he kinda made Sonic into a shlubby loser with a ponch, man boobs, and a tiny cock. I really do think that he's grown to resent his association with the game over the years and some of his choices in scenario and art design in the later stages of working on the game or its art reflect that.) and looking sort of like a natural porny style outgrowth of actual Sonic artwork. I'm still sorta morally dubious about AI art in a general sense, but this isn't exactly the kind of game to take a moral stand on, I guess lol.
And overall I like that some of the broken and underused scenes have been fleshed out so far.
First: YAY! Someone as verbose if not more verbose than me...
Second: Glad there is some positive feedback. Means something is being done well enough.
Third, to the content: There is a reason that the decision was made to have the system in place we have with variable image style choices, part of it being...maintain the spirit of the original.
I hope it's not overstepping my bounds since I'm sure everyone out there has dozens of ideas they want to cram into the game and that would be impossible to serve, but I did have a handful of thoughts/ideas that I wanted to put out there. I have other stuff in mind too becuase, as I've said in other posts on here, at points in the past I considered trying to expand the game myself before I decided that I don't know enough about how to work renpy other than coding basic events and scenes like what are already in the game.
Even that can help. That was all the more I started out. I was only working on one file, and changing just one scene, then passing it off to another who was the 'dev' and made sure it was all happy and did not break anything. If you wanted to create .rpy files with your proposed scenes and upload them we can look at them in the context of current content, new content in process and how it relates to the spirit of the original in the light of 'trying to do everything will only contribute to it never getting finished, so we have to draw the line somewhere'...and maybe use them. I know the current writing group would love to have an assist in general. Would you be open to - 'Hey, we need a scene where you go here/do this/etc but you can have creative freedom beyond that?'
1) It's always sort of annoyed me that the "special treat" blowjob in the kitchen doesn't actually sate Cream's hunger at all. Obviously it shouldn't be the same as a full meal, but it's annoying that you do that scene, Cream runs off as if she's no longer hungry, and yet her hunger meter doesn't change and you have to bring her back to feed her properly if you want to deal with it. Maybe doing the kitchen/feeding blowjob should just fill the meter slightly? Not back to maximum, but just add a point or two so it offers a small respite?
Well...here my inexpereince makes me the fool...as I have never given a BJ...so...I have never experienced the physical aspect of consumption of that kind...but...According to WebMD...
So...In the context of a '2000' calorie diet...where we asume, I dunno...3 meals a day? each meal being ~666 calories, even if a snack were 1/6th the size of a meal, it is still over 4x the caloric intake of the LARGEST estimate for a special treat. So...in the context of the game...if a snack moves it 1 point...it doesnt make sense that a fraction of that move it the same amount. Basically...It might have been 'poor writing' imlying that she's not hungry because of it...or a semblance of non-realism about the fantasy world and how much cum comes or how nutritious it is in this made up world...either way...TBH...it doesn't make sense to me that we make the BJ satiate hunger, but rather change the other part of how it references her after the fact if we were to do anything for this particular one.
2) I feel like it'd make more sense for the Marine Girlie Scout cookie sale event to be earlier in the week than Day 6. Maybe swap it with the Free Beach Day event that's on day 2? The beach day has no special scenes, so its only value would be that it's free and that would be more valuable later in the week when your cash might be low. Meanwhile the expensive option to have sex with Marine represents a massive chunk of your initial budget of rings that you're more likely to have earlier in the week, which then gives you time to recoup them during the week if needed for other things. Plus since doing a Marine event gets her phone number this would leave more time to call her over on different days, especially if/when additional scenes with her are made, and it would leave getting her number from Rouge as a sort of fallback if you miss the cookie event because that too can take a while to get to since getting to the mochi-mochi shop requires a bit of fuss and randomness with Amy.
First, this was written to day 6 way back...it was decided to leave that alone. But...the decisioln was made to extend the game into a second week. This gives more time for you to make rings to offset expenditures, try more things, etc.
3) AFAIK from Beatmix the Deepthroat scene is a one-off that only comes back as part of Amy's threesome and you can't replicate the purely Sonic/Cream version of the scene again other than loading a save at the start of it. Maybe it'd be an idea to add a tweak to the BJ scene in Vanilla's room that lets Cream deepthroat Sonic (or lets Sonic ask her to go deeper) if you have the deepthroat flag/achievement? Because scenes that can only be seen once are annoying.
Well...here I am going to have to disappoint you. There are scenes you can only get once, and there are going to continue to be. This is not to say we have not worked the other way too. If you have been up on the dicussion, you know that:
It is a mix/balancing act...but we are looking to maintain some logic such as...you cannot have a first time more than once (for example) So having a scene repeat and read as if you have never done it before when you just did is not desirable from a general standpoint. Example, there was additional content written for several scenes just to eliminate a repeated lead in evenif the core of the scene was still repeat.
I do have a big document I wrote down a ton of ideas in a couple of years ago but I won't dig into those unless you guys are soliciting ideas or thoughts.
I mean...I won't speak fo ranyone else here, but I would say this...
Offering to help write scenes you want > Asking us for content you want > Telling us what scenes to make > Bitching about x,y,z to no end.
So like above...if you have ideas...and its anywhere in the top two of those options, consider them able to be considered.
However, TONS of ideas presents problems...the more content...the longer it takes to finish anything and I will speak for others here...finishing the game in a 1.0 fshion is a goal here....we do not want it to be forever unfinished...and the more we try to add text wise, then the more images that are needed to be considered complete...(Or the mor visuals desired might need more text content -see slutty bikin talk above) and it all has to be coded which takes someones time...
So I defer to my prior comment...do you want to help...or do you just want stuff you want?
Example...I wanted the tails scene less Rapey...I learned enough about the code and wrote a new one. Was it garaunteed to be used? No. Did I do it anyway? Yes. Is it in the game? Yes. Did I keep helping beyond that? Yes, or we wouldn't be here now.
I agree that a guide for everything would be nigh impossible.
A few days ago I was going to even write a post to illustrate this just by going through all the ways you can get Cream to take her panties off and it turns out that has even gotten more complex than it was in previous versions and I basically gave up because it would've taken me over an hour just to lay out one set of examples.
Like in the AvalonX Flash versions there were like 3 or 4 ways to get her out of her panties. Then in the last Betamix version I think there were maybe 6-8 options. But for 0.7.5 Reimagined there's like 10 ways each with a variety of stat checks except for using the laptop to cheat by making Cream comfortable nude. Most of it is RWC and whether or not Cream has some amount of sexual experience (particularly whether she's given or received oral sex or been fondled most of the time) but a couple of checks also look at lust and touch (the one I remember is the Mommy & Daddy game event in Cream's room), most require Cream to be comfortable without her dress on even if the scene starts in her dress, and some have lengthy prerequisites (like getting Cream's bikini top so that you can try to convince her to skinny dip) or a massive chain of different choices (there are 2 different ways to get her naked out of the handstand event in the back yard, one ending with taking her in the house and eating her out, the other with Sonic rubbing his cock on her exposed slit.) Like 3 or 4 of the scenes also automatically involve having sex with Cream, activating the vaginal flag/achievement at the same time. But not all of them do. The time sink to explore all of the big, necessary flags for things like getting Cream's dress or panties off, getting her to be OK to have anal, activating the threesomes and exploring their variants, and so forth would take forever.
And then there are some of the niche things that aren't even in the journal's achievement list. Like there's a whole hidden pair of scenes where Sonic can take Cream into the bathroom and get her to squirt/pee during sex or masturbation that has a very convoluted and non-obvious leadup (you have to play HBG with her, get the Truth or Dare option, ask her if she's peed in the shower to set the flag. Then you go and play in the pool and it has to be with her bikini on because you have to do the "just swim around" option, which may also require rejecting any automatically activating sexytime events. Once Sonic and Cream are swimming around you have to try to leave the pool while hiding Sonic's boner, then flee into the bathroom. Once in there depending on how far Sonic and Cream have gotten Cream may say she has to pee and Sonic will either sit her on the toilet and get her to finger herself while he jerks off/gets blown or he'll take her into the shower and finger her himself. Then it gets a little filthy (which I won't go into because I know that's not everyone's thing. Though thankfully it's pretty tame. Like nobody drinks any piss or gets it in the face or anything like that)
It would take forever just to map out those options even if you weren't also chaining back through the prerequisites.
Soounds like you are in agreement with Foxy. I personally have 0 intention of being part of a guide. I won't stand against it, I wont try to hinder it, but nor am I going to try to make it, or when making new content even keep it in mind in any way that affects what I am doing...sorry.
There is a basic Marine Threesome option right now just to get the achievement. Actually there are two different ones.
1) You have to have done the cookie-selling event with Marine on Day 6, and paid for the most expensive option (300 rings?) to have sex with Marine. She'll give you her phone number afterwards if you didn't already have it (you can get it outside of this event if you find the mochi-mochi shop, talk to Rouge, and ask about Marine). Call her to come over and visit Cream and if you have the flag for the "Grand sponsor" event with Marine and Cream has been licked you'll get the first threesome scene, focusing on Sonic having sex with Marine.
2) Once you have Marine's phone number call her over. As long as you don't meet the requirements for #1 above (either you had to choose not to buy the most expensie option from Marine when she visited, you haven't done the cookie event either because it's not Day 6 yet or you skipped it, or you've somehow managed to get to the point of Cream having sex but haven't eaten her out at any point beforehand) and you have RWC >=600 and Cream has had vaginal sex you'll get the second threesome scene, focusing on Sonic having sex with Cream.
Unfortunately, and probably because the two scenes are placeholders for more content, there is no version of a scene where Sonic just has a go at both of them at the same time and it gets really freaky. Your options are only for Sonic has sex with one of them while the other gets eaten out by whoever Sonic is railing.
Actually...No...those scenese are not/were not intended just as placeholders. Again...from way back...there were achievements for those pairings, and so in the spirit of the original we wanted to have them in the game...but like so many scenes...every variation is more coding and potentially more images and so on and so forth...a line has to be drawn or we will never finish. Take for example the
Some time later I actually thought of something else I wanted to bring up:
Would it maybe make sense to change the journal score tracker to just track the # of times each event has been done rather than assign point values to it and total those? Since there are scenes and events that require you to have seen/done certain things a certain # of times (like the deepthroat achievement being unlocked in part by Cream having given enough blowjobs) it would be useful to see "Blowjob from Cream: 4" rather than "Blowjob from cream (25 pts): 100" and having to do the admittedly simple math to figure out where you are.
I know it's a holdover from the earliest days of Avalon's original version*, but the points value thing feels like playing a NES game when most of them still had score totals as a holdover from the days of arcade games being prevalent, before developers realized that scores don't matter that much as a measure of anything except in a competitive environment. And I hardly think anyone here is going to post a gloating screenshot of how they have a score of 10,000 because they managed to have 3 threesomes a day with each of Sally, Amy, Tails, and Knuckles and also plowed Cream's ass 20+ times along the way.
*as an aside, the fact that this points mechanic existed back in the early Flash days sure puts a damper on claims I saw from him not too long ago where he tried to say that the game was something like a social experiment and wasn't designed for you to necessarily just spend the whole time fucking Cream like a super-perv.
Now, this part I can agree with...I never cared about the point system back then, I don't really now...just nothing has been done to change it. If it would not be too much of a code hunt to remove them, I am all for the change...however...something has to be ADDED if we are actively tracking how many times, just like some things have to be added for the achievements to happen, etc. It would not surprise me if in my early workings and lack of understanding that I wrote stuff in that "should" trigger something but doesnt, and no one else has yet scoured EVERYTHING to make sure all of them are there.
NOW: tldr: Most important thing to take from all that, if you have ideas and want to help, reach out. Even if you are a novice...I am still a novice...but things are still going.
