"Bad" Games

[nulnil]

Oh, so I guess you would agree that BADIK is extremely popular because it does something really good that people look for in an adult game.

That's a weird way to say "oops, couldn't find you saying that". Whatever, yes, that is the case. Someone needs to keep count of this, because I said it's only suprising that it's the top game. Not that it's suprising it's popular at all.

Though, I would hard disagree on animation. Only the sex scenes are animated, and I'd describe it more as "passable". You don't need to go too deep into Rule34 to find good animations.

and that's your fault in thinking/ assuming, imo.

Just look at other mass-media or such, most popular does not necessarily mean best (or even just good) quality. It may correlate, or it may not.
"Friends" or "How I met Your Mother" - were incredibly popular (annoyingly so), but good quality? give me a break.
I don't know if even subscribers of the "Sun" would say it is a quality paper, but it is very popular (or at least it used to be, am somewhat out of the loop)

and so on.

Why should it be any different with NSFW games?

disclaimer - I have NO idea about BADIK, quality-wise or anything.

Yeah, it was. I've learned that if countless people say something is "the best thing ever", it probably isn't.

 

[desmosome]

That's a weird way to say "oops, couldn't find you saying that". Whatever, yes, that is the case. Someone needs to keep count of this, because I said it's only suprising that it's the top game. Not that it's suprising it's popular at all.

Okay, we're playing semantics then. Top game, popular game, well-known game, talked about game, it's basically just saying you are surprised this game became popular. Because I don't know what you even mean by top game. Top game changes over time.

BADIK is 9th on the weighted rating list. It takes first spot on most viewed and most liked, because it's been around for a long time and is, well, popular.

Sort by weighted average and look at the top list. What do you think of those other games? Have you played them? Almost the entire first page is VNs. Did the other games do a better job of being a VN? Or are you surprised that they are among the top games as well?

 

[tanstaafl]

You know, if nulnil would just one time say "I understand why, I just disagree." I would stop thinking he's dense as a brick, but he won't, so here we are.

 

[Count Morado]

You know, if nulnil would just one time say "I understand why, I just disagree." I would stop thinking he's dense as a brick, but he won't, so here we are.

 

[HornyMonsterGirlEnjoyer]

When it comes to porn it's up to preference. For example I usually only play games with the animated tags because it's harder for me to cum to static images. I have done it before and will do it again! TRANSLATION: I can cum to static images.

Porn is all about indulging is some fetishes. I like Monster girls. Others like Ugly bastards. People who like children enjoy scoping playgrounds until they're put in a cell.(Pedos, you will not see heaven's light)

TLDR :Bad games are only bad to people who don't like them in most cases

Tbh Jerk off to what turns you on and don't interact with what doesn't. I'm not here to argue just offer my opinion. And lurk on this thread until I get bored

 

[desmosome]

You know, if nulnil would just one time say "I understand why, I just disagree." I would stop thinking he's dense as a brick, but he won't, so here we are.

Which is funny because there are a lot of people that don't play BADIK because it doesn't line up with their preferences, me included. But any rational person can see that it is not "bad" by any means, and certainly has mass appeal to the general audience who enjoy this kind of romance, slice of life, fix the problems the girls are having, and win over the waifu type of games.

 

[morphnet]

I'm trying to be somewhat respectful here, but honestly you're being an asshole here. If you would actually bother to read like a mature adult instead of getting pissed - like you usually do - you'd see that I said I don't undestand why this game in specific is the TOP game. Numero uno. NOT me asking why anyone ever bothers to play it.

Trying to discredit the reply by implying it's written because the poster is "pissed" instead of addressing the point shows how much stock you put in your own words. Also your attempt to reply to un-quoted section and then include a second reply to the quoted section shows how dishonest you are.

So that part of yours I quoted above was in answer to this section of my reply. So let's fix that for you...

It does stand out to many people, just not TO YOU

I'm trying to be somewhat respectful here, but honestly you're being an asshole here. If you would actually bother to read like a mature adult instead of getting pissed - like you usually do - you'd see that I said I don't undestand why this game in specific is the TOP game. Numero uno. NOT me asking why anyone ever bothers to play it.

Ok so first, "you'd see that I said I don't undestand why this game in specific is the TOP game" well no you didn't, you said "I'd imagine one of the top games here would at least stand out in some way." How is it you can't even quote yourself correctly? I imagine it's because you're once again trying to twist things.

Second, "NOT me asking why anyone ever bothers to play it." well I said it stands out to many people NOT why?

So the first part of your first reply to me is completely useless, off-topic and full of shit. You're off to your usual good start

You'd ALSO realize that I never said it "must be unique". I said "usually the best of something at least stands out in some way".

Ok there is stupid and then there is whatever this is... How many times must I point out people can ACTUALLY see what has been written in threads? According you YOU "You'd ALSO realize that I never said it "must be unique"." Let's see if that is true?

BaD is one of the top games on this site. Surely it must be a unique game then,

The truly sad thing here is while you were replying you actually had to see the quote of YOURS in linked.

BaD being popular is strange, not bad or wrong or evil or whatever you think I think it is.

Don't try put words in my mouth, trying to twist the reply doesn't work when I can quote your own posts to contradict you.

Maybe you jumped to this conclusion when I said "the quality is sloppy at times"? There is literally a scene in the game where MC breaks the fourth wall to comment on how the model of a burger looks bad.

I made no assumptions, I literally quoted you and stand by my point.

Your final challenge... don't make things up!!!

The only one making things up here is YOU as proven by this reply. You try under handed tactics like trying to discredit posters, trying to side track the replies adding nonsense that was never part of the discussion and flat out lying about not saying things you said... even though it's in your posts for all to see.

 

[morphnet]

You know, if nulnil would just one time say "I understand why, I just disagree." I would stop thinking he's dense as a brick, but he won't, so here we are.

At this point, that would be an insult to bricks...

 

[Erosoft]

The answer is that it's slop, but most people seem to like slop.

I would theorize that it has to do with porn games ultimately being a short-form media for most people. Short-form media produces a lot of slop: look at the top mobile games (to be played in short sessions) versus the top Steam games (to be for hours at once). The difference in quality is obvious.

Some of us on here treat games as more genuine gaming experiences, and we expect a considerable degree of complexity and depth in game mechanics. I like to think of eroge, or NSFW gaming in general, as a higher form of art like "normal" video games, novels, or movies are. Most people use only one of their brains though.

 

[HornyMonsterGirlEnjoyer]

The answer is that it's slop, but most people seem to like slop.

I'm a pig I'll eat slop.

I'm also a human so I prefer steak.

 

[mr11stein]

Wouldn't that be like adding a 'hand drawn' tag though.. i mean tools are tools, over labeling can be a bad thing. I don't really play that many 3d pre-rendered games for example, but when thousands of people like one its usually for a reason beyond rendering.

I find the Daz3D style uncanny. I'm sure there are people that feel this way about HS/Koikatsu or whatever CG. Or maybe you really love either style and want more of it. When there are dozens or hundreds of games in this category, it's not over-labeling.

 

[anne O'nymous]

[...] but honestly you're being an asshole here. [...]

Welcome to the club morphnet , you'll see, there's only interesting people in there.

 

[suprisedcrankyface]

and I'd describe it more as "passable".

Thats kinda the point with pron games though, you dont want visuals to be too good or players would get 1 frame in and quit. You need a 'good enough' visual median (good enough that people are not repelled) and then they can engage with and play the game aspect.

 

[nulnil]

Because I don't know what you even mean by top game. Top game changes over time.

I was assuming we all knew how popular BaDik is and exactly how close it is to 'top game' without looking at the numbers.

BADIK is 9th on the weighted rating list. It takes first spot on most viewed and most liked, because it's been around for a long time and is, well, popular.

Sort by weighted average and look at the top list. What do you think of those other games? Have you played them? Almost the entire first page is VNs. Did the other games do a better job of being a VN? Or are you surprised that they are among the top games as well?

Well, no, I haven't played the other VNs in top-weighted rating. BaDik is still most-viewed and most liked. It's still not a stretch to say it's "the top game on the site" when it's top in 2 out of 3 categories. It also has a little under twice as many likes as the second-most liked game, and has 14% (difference of 10.5 million) more views than the second most-viewed game. Point is, by no means is it just barely the at the top of those 2 categories.

Also, I don't know how the weighted review score is calculated but I'll assume it's reliable.

Okay, we're playing semantics then. Top game, popular game, well-known game, talked about game, it's basically just saying you are surprised this game became popular.

So strange everyone here seems to have a habit of taking words, misshaping them into something else, then acting like that is what was said.

"You said you found flaws with this thing, so basically you said it's the worst thing to ever be made in the history of mankind."

You know, if nulnil would just one time say "I understand why, I just disagree." I would stop thinking he's dense as a brick, but he won't, so here we are.

Someone needs to buy you a dictionary and open the page to "surprise".

 

[suprisedcrankyface]

I swear, is there anyone else that hates those ugly realistic 3d games that plague the front page??? It feels like those and games with 0 gameplay whatsoever just do not leave from the top and it's frustrating because I see nothing appealing about them AT ALL. I need to know if I'm alone on this and I'm crazy or it's an actual thing.

So strange everyone here seems to have a habit of taking words, misshaping them into something else, then acting like that is what was said.

"Bad" Games is the premise of the thread, and correct me if I am wrong but you seem to be disagreeing with those who disagree with this sentiment? Most are saying if its not your flavor of icecream doesn't mean its bad in response to the OP. So maybe clarify, do you strongly disagree with the OP?

In direct response to you though I did point out that the best pron games have 'good enough' graphics/art/animation that serve as a vehicle to drive a narrative. Its the 'Game' part that is important. People who play porn games do so to engage their brain as well as their eyes, otherwise you just look at porn (and those animators put 100% effort into that animation as thats all there is).

 

[nulnil]

Trying to discredit the reply by implying it's written because the poster is "pissed" instead of addressing the point shows how much stock you put in your own words. Also your attempt to reply to un-quoted section and then include a second reply to the quoted section shows how dishonest you are.

So that part of yours I quoted above was in answer to this section of my reply. So let's fix that for you...

You've sent out far more ad hominem here.

Ok so first, "you'd see that I said I don't undestand why this game in specific is the TOP game" well no you didn't, you said "I'd imagine one of the top games here would at least stand out in some way." How is it you can't even quote yourself correctly? I imagine it's because you're once again trying to twist things.

Second, "NOT me asking why anyone ever bothers to play it." well I said it stands out to many people NOT why?

So the first part of your first reply to me is completely useless, off-topic and full of shit. You're off to your usual good start

When you focus on semantics so much, you realize how quickly your argument can fall apart. I meant to write "one of the top games" and got carried away by you talking like there's a stick up your ass.

Ok there is stupid and then there is whatever this is... How many times must I point out people can ACTUALLY see what has been written in threads? According you YOU "You'd ALSO realize that I never said it "must be unique"." Let's see if that is true?



The truly sad thing here is while you were replying you actually had to see the quote of YOURS in linked.

Ok, gotta teach you some english here. "Surely it must be" is a phrase for believing something is a certain way because of some. The phrase "surely it would be" has the same meaning. Forgot that your native language isn't english when I was replying to you.

Unless your native language IS english, and you're reading what was written incorrectly to make a point out of nothing.

Don't try put words in my mouth

That's not what putting words in your mouth is. This is:

"Why does it have to be unique? Why can't it just do what others have done, just better or in a way more people enjoy?
YOU are the one adding the "it must be unique", you are adding your own criteria and then judging it on that criteria and then passing the results off as something standard. Hence the later replies that you think you represent the majority."

Sound familiar?

The only one making things up here is YOU as proven by this reply. You try under handed tactics like trying to discredit posters, trying to side track the replies adding nonsense that was never part of the discussion and flat out lying about not saying things you said... even though it's in your posts for all to see.

Refer to quote and response above this quote. A dumbass, that is you.

 

[nulnil]

Thats kinda the point with pron games though, you dont want visuals to be too good or players would get 1 frame in and quit. You need a 'good enough' visual median (good enough that people are not repelled) and then they can engage with and play the game aspect.

I'm not sure if this is referring to the animations being intentionally medium in level of quality or not requiring a monsterous computer to run.

Reading your other response, don't see how having (objectively) good graphics will repulse people.

"Bad" Games is the premise of the thread, and correct me if I am wrong but you seem to be disagreeing with those who disagree with this sentiment? Most are saying if its not your flavor of icecream doesn't mean its bad in response to the OP. So maybe clarify, do you strongly disagree with the OP?

Neutral until he says he "doesn't see anything of appealing at all".

In direct response to you though I did point out that the best pron games have 'good enough' graphics/art/animation that serve as a vehicle to drive a narrative. Its the 'Game' part that is important. People who play porn games do so to engage their brain as well as their eyes, otherwise you just look at porn (and those animators put 100% effort into that animation as thats all there is).

Well yeah, obviously they're not cinematic movies the whole time and you have to develop the whole game.

 

[HornyMonsterGirlEnjoyer]

nulnil You don't have to attack everyone. I don't think they hate you. You've kind of hijacked the thread. Your hate on for BaDIK is not the point of this thread. Open your own thread if you really hate it that much.

 

[suprisedcrankyface]

Neutral until he says he "doesn't see anything of appealing at all".

most people see the OP as being a clown who cant understand that people like things they do not. being neutral on that puts you outside the consensus of 99% of the people posting here (who are stating if its not for you, doesn't mean its bad).

Somehow you have sandwiched yourself between the OP's post and the common sense 'wtf' response

I'm not sure if this is referring to the animations being intentionally medium in level of quality or not requiring a monstrous computer to run.

Its wasted effort to overdo graphics that people often click through in a few seconds

Reading your other response, don't see how having (objectively) good graphics will repulse people.

Wasn't referring to them being repulsed, just losing interest because you know, its a pron game. If the graphics finish the job scene one frame one noones going to really use the gameplay, or they will just click through all that effort looking for gameplay and you wasted your time putting all that effort into graphics.

Well yeah, obviously they're not cinematic movies the whole time and you have to develop the whole game.

An 11 GB game will repulse people, people have different wants out of a game. Seems you are looking first at graphics, gameplay second. I prefer gameplay over graphics. Most are somewhere in the mid... and mid tier graphics is the sweet spot for the file size, dev time and audiences expected level.

 

[tanstaafl]

Someone needs to buy you a dictionary and open the page to "surprise".

Explain to me in small words how this has anything at all to do with what I said, other than proving out my point that you are a very not smart person.