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TheTypist there seems to be a bug as zoey_cuck_claire variable is not being set to true. I had to manually set it to true using URM as it is checked when MC wakes in his room next morning after Zoey and MC's kiss and handjob scene.
I did a fresh start.

Absolutely Loved the update, Characters and Story so far:love:.
Eagerly waiting for the Love path update:BootyTime:.

Keep Growing!

GOLDLUCK!:coffee: TheTypist
 
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there is a scene copied almost entirely from the first version, Daniel is invited to sleep in the couple's house because he has drunk too much, only that in the old version with MC you had the option to choose to send Claire to Daniel to tease him, nothing more, here instead Claire does wakes up at night with the desire to get fucked by Daniel again, but this time without MC's knowledge, same scenes, same dynamics but here Claire cheats. NTR is also denoted here
 

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So people are still complaining about a game that had an NTR update... on a game that has NTR? At this point do people even read about what the updates are gonna be?







Have you read the premise of the dev cha NTR is avoidable not forced, that's why we complain, before shooting random words inform yourself
 

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Definitely a great update for both the Sharing and NTR paths! TheTypist well done, really nice artwork, Sharing and NTR path flow steadily but not too fast for an erotic game, esp. that NTR is avoidable is a big plus.
I am still in headshake mode about your behavior. You could without doubt be one of the best developers on-site, but your typical modus operandi with vanishing for months, being extremly late with updates promised to be out within days/hours is damaging your reputation severely.
 

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question, who is the game centered around? I know you jump from John to Claire but off the jump it seems more of the male protag focused game, is that the case here?
 

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there is a scene copied almost entirely from the first version, Daniel is invited to sleep in the couple's house because he has drunk too much, only that in the old version with MC you had the option to choose to send Claire to Daniel to tease him, nothing more, here instead Claire does wakes up at night with the desire to get fucked by Daniel again, but this time without MC's knowledge, same scenes, same dynamics but here Claire cheats. NTR is also denoted here
That literally didn't happen in my playthrough, both on the True NTR path and the Swinging path. I tried both and the difference was In the swinging path, MC and Claire go to their bedroom and have sex one last time so the MC can finally get his release, and then go to bed afterwards. In the "True NTR" path, she talks a bit about Zoey and then starts dirty talking about Damien, and then you get the choice to invite Damien to your room so you and him can both finish inside Claire together. After you and Damien both fuck Claire he leaves the room and you and Claire get cleaned up and the update ends, or you don't invite Damien, and Claire rides you until you finish and then clean up and the update ends.

At no point in MY playthrough, even when I chose "For tonight... we draw no line", she never went off on her own with Damien, she never did anything behind his back. It sounds like you made a choice or choices at some point that lead you down that road, and if that isn't the what you wanted, sounds like you need to go back and play through again. Also his name is Damien not Daniel.
 
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Have you read the premise of the dev cha NTR is avoidable not forced, that's why we complain, before shooting random words inform yourself
Not what I meant at all. I know what the dev said. In fact, my focus is not on what the dev said, its about the complaint some *not all* are making about there being NTR. Also, if I may ask, what do you actually mean? Are y'all complaining because its avoidable, or forced? Genuine question.
 
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Episode 1 is chapters 1-4 just bundled. I didn’t go into detail as to why I renamed it, but it’s simply so steam can review it as a single episode so it isn’t titled “chapters 1-4”
Hope that explains the new name
Well besides ghosting the dude's question and only talking about the renaming the chapters into EP1. I guess the part you forgot to mention is why you've taken all this time to only produce something with this length as it has been too long with too little production, just like the first game that you just decided to random it up and finish it with a couple story ending updates and then decided to reboot the game again. I have been here since the beginning of the first game, and sadly it is the same methodology you've been using, where you take time then announce a release date, then go radio silent then come back with excuse and them say it's almost there and after so long you do release part 1 out of 4 parts of the main update. Look dude, your game almost has potential but you're killing it and you don't care, you make sure the money is still flowing in. Hope you take a wake up pill honestly.
 
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Not what I meant at all. I know what the dev said. In fact, my focus is not on what the dev said, its about the complaint some *not all* are making about there being NTR. Also, if I may ask, what do you actually mean? Are y'all complaining because its avoidable, or forced? Genuine question.




I speak for myself, and to be honest I can tolerate some NTRs, let's say they are at the limit of my taste, but if in the game you tell yourself that NTR is absolutely avoidable, but then in some scenes that should be with free choices, the NTR factor presents itself ,, also told the dev. I also explained to him where they occur, there are two scenes, and in addition an option where you can choose, the result doesn't change, but it remains the same.
 
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I speak for myself, and to be honest I can tolerate some NTRs, let's say they are at the limit of my taste, but if in the game you tell yourself that NTR is absolutely avoidable, but then in some scenes that should be with free choices, the NTR factor presents itself ,, also told the dev. I also explained to him where they occur, there are two scenes, and in addition an option where you can choose, the result doesn't change, but it remains the same.
Ah, I see what you mean. I myself have taken a liking to NTR, but I think I'm quite picky with it myself. I get what you mean though. Thanks for answering and I do apologize if I may have come across a bitt condescending.
 
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I was planning on dropping this one last time because it didn't hit my kink (real NTR as opposed to swinging/netorase), but the talk about a cheating route got me to try this update. With the slow development and reworks this game has got, I certainly won't be advocating for changing the existing content in any way. I encourage the dev to just proceed with their vision, but I thought I'd leave some of my thoughts as a fan of "true NTR."

This game is primarily about swinging and a couple exploring the adventurous lifestyle in a consensual and healthy manner. You could probably say that's the canon story that is the most well supported by the narrative. The other routes are gonna be modifications of this main story that will likely be achieved by opting out of some scenes, modifying some situations, and eventually, probably lead to some branching. How well these other routes hit their intended kinks and how smooth the modified story progresses depends on the dev's effort and skill.

In this case, I think the main route (netorase/swinging) is too hardcoded in the NTR enabled story. The MC is incredibly enthusiastic about getting cucked, and the player has no control over this. The choices we do get are basically to make him even more of a blatant cuck or choices to let him open routes with side girls. Both types of choices are opting in on the netorase and swinging story.

Finally, getting to the cheating route (coded with the flag "true_ntr") requires the MC to give full consent to Claire to do whatever and cross any lines she wants. And here is where I feel like the dev might have some mix ups on what drives the "true NTR" kinks, as opposed to the cuckoldry/netorase/swinging side of the spectrum. Is it really cheating if the MC is exhibiting full on cuckold desires and gives her the go ahead to do whatever she wants that night? Did she do anything wrong? Is he supposed to feel bad about it?

If the dev had the right grasp on the distinction, the "cheating route" should be set up by letting the male MC be a bit more apprehensive about the whole swinging/cuck thing. But that's gonna require rewrites of earlier content which I'm definitely not asking for. That said, I do advise the dev to keep in mind one thing if they do intend to support a true NTR/cheating route going forward. You need to be able to disassociate the player from the MC. What the player wants is not always what the male MC should want in true NTR. In fact, it should be the opposite in many cases.

For example, the cheating route could be enabled if the player picks the "as long as I'm there, it's ok" answer, and later on we get a choice from Claire to either sneak out at night or not. Now that would be cheating. Or even better, there could have been a variable that tracks Claire's desire to cheat which triggers her decision. Again, not asking for changes at this point, just giving some examples and something to keep in mind if you want to create a "true_ntr" route.

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As an aside, what are these harem people going on about regarding "forced NTR?" I quickly played through with NTR disabled and it remove all NTR content and NTR vibes. It's all about cuckqueen, dominant/gentle MC, exhibitionism, and the MC banging all the girls (eventually). I swear to god these people played with NTR on and then are complaining about NTR in their playthrough.
 

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I was planning on dropping this one last time because it didn't hit my kink (real NTR as opposed to swinging/netorase), but the talk about a cheating route got me to try this update. With the slow development and reworks this game has got, I certainly won't be advocating for changing the existing content in any way. I encourage the dev to just proceed with their vision, but I thought I'd leave some of my thoughts as a fan of "true NTR."

This game is primarily about swinging and a couple exploring the adventurous lifestyle in a consensual and healthy manner. You could probably say that's the canon story that is the most well supported by the narrative. The other routes are gonna be modifications of this main story that will likely be achieved by opting out of some scenes, modifying some situations, and eventually, probably lead to some branching. How well these other routes hit their intended kinks and how smooth the modified story progresses depends on the dev's effort and skill.

In this case, I think the main route (netorase/swinging) is too hardcoded in the NTR enabled story. The MC is incredibly enthusiastic about getting cucked, and the player has no control over this. The choices we do get are basically to make him even more of a blatant cuck or choices to let him open routes with side girls. Both types of choices are opting in on the netorase and swinging story.

Finally, getting to the cheating route (coded with the flag "true_ntr") requires the MC to give full consent to Claire to do whatever and cross any lines she wants. And here is where I feel like the dev might have some mix ups on what drives the "true NTR" kinks, as opposed to the cuckoldry/netorase/swinging side of the spectrum. Is it really cheating if the MC is exhibiting full on cuckold desires and gives her the go ahead to do whatever she wants that night? Did she do anything wrong? Is he supposed to feel bad about it?

If the dev had the right grasp on the distinction, the "cheating route" should be set up by letting the male MC be a bit more apprehensive about the whole swinging/cuck thing. But that's gonna require rewrites of earlier content which I'm definitely not asking for. That said, I do advise the dev to keep in mind one thing if they do intend to support a true NTR/cheating route going forward. You need to be able to disassociate the player from the MC. What the player wants is not always what the male MC should want in true NTR. In fact, it should be the opposite in many cases.

For example, the cheating route could be enabled if the player picks the "as long as I'm there, it's ok" answer, and later on we get a choice from Claire to either sneak out at night or not. Now that would be cheating. Or even better, there could have been a variable that tracks Claire's desire to cheat which triggers her decision. Again, not asking for changes at this point, just giving some examples and something to keep in mind if you want to create a "true_ntr" route.

_________________

As an aside, what are these harem people going on about regarding "forced NTR?" I quickly played through with NTR disabled and it remove all NTR content and NTR vibes. It's all about cuckqueen, dominant/gentle MC, exhibitionism, and the MC banging all the girls (eventually). I swear to god these people played with NTR on and then are complaining about NTR in their playthrough.
All excellent points! I'll be honest, I hate cuck games personally. Not because of the NTR (I couldn't care less about it when it makes sense) but because of my own personality. I have no issue with a game where your gf/wife cheats behind your back (based on your/the MC's) decisions/choices. Sure, some may still you're being cucked, but you're not (as the MC) actively paticipating in being one. I also think these kind of games (on those routes) are far better suited to FMC games for true NTR and not MC led games, where 'sharing' perhaps makes more sense.
 
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