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SarahGheist

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Really? I read them when I was 14 or 15, and so did a few other friends.

Not trying to brag or say you're wrong, I'm just surprised. LOTR is even tougher IMO, but that gets read by teenagers too (or at least it did back in my day (oldmanyellsatcloud.jpg))
To say that the books are too long for today's market is just bullshit. If a publisher told you that, they were lying or clueless. If you check out the list you'll see that, length-wise, Dune is pretty typical for the genre, and that a number of popular modern SF/fantasy books are considerably longer, both volume-by-volume and as a whole. (Take the Malazan series, for example.) And there are LitRpg books that dwarf the Dune series by word count.

As for the writing, I don't think anybody should try to mimic Frank Herbert's style (just like I don't think you should try to mimic Kurt Vonnegut or Anthony Burgess's Clockwork Orange style), but, again, there are still successful genre books that are written in fairly challenging language, and the gimmick of throwing new readers into an unfamiliar world with lots of strange words that they have to pick up and make sense of has not gone out of fashion. Cf. Paolo Bacigalupi, N.K. Jemisin, Jeff VanderMeer, Cory Doctorow…

Also, if Dune was too difficult to read, it wouldn't be a best-seller even today.
It's not the length modern publishers have a problem with. It's the words used. Same for the original unabridged version of the Hobbit and the LOTR series. You won't find them anymore anywhere because they were deemed to difficult for [average] readers. Only the edited and abridged versions are currently available, and the wording used is often VERY different from the original books. They've simply been changed that much in order to appeal to modern readers. The Silmarillion is probably the best example of how Tolkien actually wrote his books, if you can find an unabridged version. As for the Dune series being considered tedious and not something modern publishers want? It's true. Book length isn't the problem, but wording is. Not sure I can explain that better without doing citations, and I'd rather not. Most publishers want novels that are half as long and much faster paced with easy to comprehend vocabulary. Basically around 160k words or so.
 

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Same for the original unabridged version of the Hobbit and the LOTR series. You won't find them anymore anywhere because they were deemed to difficult for [average] readers. Only the edited and abridged versions are currently available, and the wording used is often VERY different from the original books. They've simply been changed that much in order to appeal to modern readers. The Silmarillion is probably the best example of how Tolkien actually wrote his books, if you can find an unabridged version.
Well, this proves that you are full of shit. Literally none of that is true.

The common modern edition of The Hobbit differs somewhat from the first edition because it was revised by Tolkien to fit better with The Lord of the Rings (most famously by changing it so Gollum doesn't wager the ring in the riddle contest with Bilbo, but he also removed some modern-day references). It has not been abridged or edited to make it easier "for modern readers." (It was always a children's book.)

TLOTR has gone through several editions in which Tolkien made small tweaks and fixed some inconsistencies and other errors and typos (later editors have also made further corrections, mainly to things like punctuation and capitalization). But these are very minor changes: the book reads substantially the same as the first edition. It is categorically false that it has been abridged or changed because it was "deemed too difficult for readers."

The Silmarillion is the one book "by Tolkien" that actually has been been extensively edited and abridged, because he never finished writing it: it was pieced together (with edits and abridgments) by his son, Christopher Tolkien, based on lots of different, inconsistent manuscripts. There is no unabridged version, but most of the separate sources have been published in the History of Middle-Earth series (+ Unfinished Tales), which collects Tolkien's incomplete drafts, again edited by Christopher Tolkien. (Christopher also edited standalone, longer versions of some of the major stories included in the Silmarillion.)

Tolkien wrote different books (and unpublished stories) in different styles and for different audiences.

Book length isn't the problem, but wording is. Most publishers want novels that are half as long
Do you not even notice that you're contradicting yourself, or are you a troll?
 

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It's criminal that there's still no option to kiss Jessica OR get her pregnant. Balsamique if I ever see you we're gonna have a real meeting of the minds, you and I...
 
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Where are all the files for this game located? I know games built in Ren'py have files that aren't stored in the main folder so I was wondering what the case would be for this game since it's built in Flash.Basically if I wanted to fully delete this game and all traces of it where would I have to go.
 

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Where are all the files for this game located? I know games built in Ren'py have files that aren't stored in the main folder so I was wondering what the case would be for this game since it's built in Flash.Basically if I wanted to fully delete this game and all traces of it where would I have to go.
In "C:\Users\###\AppData\Roaming\Macromedia\Flash Player\#SharedObjects\Something\localhost" their will be a series of folder retracing where the swf file was.
You can delete the *.sol files to start a new fresh save or the whole folders structure if you want to remove all traces that a swf within those folders existed.
 

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Well, this proves that you are full of shit. Literally none of that is true.

The common modern edition of The Hobbit differs somewhat from the first edition because it was revised by Tolkien to fit better with The Lord of the Rings (most famously by changing it so Gollum doesn't wager the ring in the riddle contest with Bilbo, but he also removed some modern-day references). It has not been abridged or edited to make it easier "for modern readers." (It was always a children's book.)

TLOTR has gone through several editions in which Tolkien made small tweaks and fixed some inconsistencies and other errors and typos (later editors have also made further corrections, mainly to things like punctuation and capitalization). But these are very minor changes: the book reads substantially the same as the first edition. It is categorically false that it has been abridged or changed because it was "deemed too difficult for readers."

The Silmarillion is the one book "by Tolkien" that actually has been been extensively edited and abridged, because he never finished writing it: it was pieced together (with edits and abridgments) by his son, Christopher Tolkien, based on lots of different, inconsistent manuscripts. There is no unabridged version, but most of the separate sources have been published in the History of Middle-Earth series (+ Unfinished Tales), which collects Tolkien's incomplete drafts, again edited by Christopher Tolkien. (Christopher also edited standalone, longer versions of some of the major stories included in the Silmarillion.)

Tolkien wrote different books (and unpublished stories) in different styles and for different audiences.



Do you not even notice that you're contradicting yourself, or are you a troll?
Not going to really get into this, since there's no point. I used to own a copy of the original edition of The Hobbit, released in Europe. No, none of the current versions are anything like it as Tolkien wrote in the English of London (calling it "English English" is grammatically incorrect), but favored Olde English in addition to German and his own created languages. Silmarillion has been edited, yes. Never said it wasn't. Did say it is the closest to how Tolkien actually wrote. When a book is either abridged or edited or localized, the publisher uses artistic license to literally rewrite the entire work in order to make it either fit a preset format or appeal to a specific market. If you ever worked in publishing (not just read books), you'd know this. Afterwards, novels, such as The Hobbit , only vaguely resemble the original release. The point? Don't really have one atm other than what was already stated with accuracy. Can't say anything one way or another if you're unaware of the facts. It just is or is not. And trying to pull up anything from before 2015 that hasn't been either scrubbed or censored is...less than simply done. (No. If it was scrubbed info or censored, then it gets deleted from sites like Archive.). In any case, you have your opinions. I have the facts I worked with in publishing. I already mentioned other things. They happened. Didn't see it yourself? Can't help you there. But my original question was answered - no, you are clueless to what I was referring to, which means like so many other things, it was most likely scrubbed. This happened to the entire F95zone site at one point, which is partly why they had to start over in 2020. I fully expect this to happen again within the next year, due to all the new censorships. *shrug*
 

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I used to own a copy of the original edition of The Hobbit, released in Europe.
If this were actually true, you should have held onto it. A first edition copy recently sold for $60,000, even without the dustcover.

But of course, the original edition of The Hobbit was not released in mainland Europe, only in the UK. And I don't believe any European publisher would have published it in English, so it would necessarily be a translation, not Tolkien's original writing.

And trying to pull up anything from before 2015 that hasn't been either scrubbed or censored is...less than simply done. (No. If it was scrubbed info or censored, then it gets deleted from sites like Archive.). In any case, you have your opinions. I have the facts I worked with in publishing. I already mentioned other things. They happened. Didn't see it yourself? Can't help you there.
Seriously, you should consider seeking psychiatric help. You may be suffering from paranoid delusions or phantom memories.

None of the versions you claim were later "censored" or "scrubbed" ever existed. Not Behind the Dune with the bits you describe, not a cult classic "made for TV" Dune mini-series close to eight hours in length, not a "more challenging" version of The Hobbit or The Lord of the Rings, not an unabridged Silmarillion. (And yeah, we do know what we're talking about.)

Now, considering each case in isolation, these mistakes are perfectly natural: facts distorted by faulty memory or twisted by misinformed rumor. But to get it completely wrong in literally every one of nearly a half-dozen cases? That starts to seem pathological.
 
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There seems to be a lot of confusion regarding the Dune TV series. As far as I know, before the Villeneuve films there were only two TV miniseries made by Sci-Fi Channel. The first one was , and the second one was . They were both later marketed as made-for-TV movies instead of miniseries when selling them, at least here.

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There seems to be a lot of confusion regarding the Dune TV series. As far as I know, before the Villeneuve films there were only two TV miniseries made by Sci-Fi Channel.
As mentioned, there was an extended TV cut of the Lynch movie (adding footage that was cut from the theatrical edition, and some paintings with voice over to explain things), which split it into two parts broadcast on different nights. So that created the impression of a kind of TV mini-series. The history of this version is long and complicated.

And in 2007 some Spanish film students ("Mediteatro") made an unlicensed three-part adaptation of the book. They released a , but lawyers for the owners of the Dune IP shut it down, and the films were never widely released (if they were even finished), so whether it would have been better to consider them a movie trilogy or a mini series is moot.
 

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As mentioned, there was an extended TV cut of the Lynch movie (adding footage that was cut from the theatrical edition, and some paintings with voice over to explain things), which split it into two parts broadcast on different nights. So that created the impression of a kind of TV mini-series. The history of this version is long and complicated.
Oh, I wasn't aware that the extended version was marketed (out target perceived) as a TV miniseries. Interesting!

And in 2007 some Spanish film students ("Mediteatro") made an unlicensed three-part adaptation of the book. They released a , but lawyers for the owners of the Dune IP shut it down, and the films were never widely released (if they were even finished), so whether it would have been better to consider them a movie trilogy or a mini series is moot.
I didn't know about this project! Shame on me, too, as I'm from Spain! Thanks for the info!!
 

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But of course, the original edition of The Hobbit was not released in mainland Europe, only in the UK.
The UK is part of Europe bruv xD I'm pretty sure resellers at the time didn't have a problem hocking the movies across the river/pond/channel to other video stores/theaters.
 

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The UK is part of Europe bruv xD I'm pretty sure resellers at the time didn't have a problem hocking the movies across the river/pond/channel to other video stores/theaters.
He's talking about the book, not the film. And that book was released in 1937, at a time when very few mainland Europeans were able to read in English.
 
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There seems to be a lot of confusion regarding the Dune TV series. As far as I know, before the Villeneuve films there were only two TV miniseries made by Sci-Fi Channel. The first one was , and the second one was . They were both later marketed as made-for-TV movies instead of miniseries when selling them, at least here.

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