VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[Holy Bacchus]

It's hard to say because my understanding is that DPC is cagey about revealing how the systems work (this is why RP is a hidden stat). My best guess is that each LI has their own Affinity bar which is hidden from the player and the MC needs to have a corresponding level to match up with them; failure to line up with your target girl would lead to a sad end.

Honestly, if that happens then it will suck.

Imagine what it would be like if a player who has set their sights on Sage and maintained either a Neutral or CHICK affinity right on through until the end, gets reject by her because she's basically just like, "nah, I'm DIK affinity and you're not so I'm ending this relationship". It wouldn't make sense because, even if there are certain things which might make her seem like she's on that side of the scale, players can still do pretty much everything with Sage, including being FWB, whilst having those other affinities. There so far hasn't been any indication she wouldn't want a guy like that, so a player getting rejected at the end over that would be a terrible way to end the game for those players.

 

[Bolero]

I prefer Bella with her hair when she is in the library, or her hair when she is sunbathing near the pool, or her hair when she is showering, or her hair from her college days, or her hair in that beach fun series.
Also i prefer her boobs when she is wearing her business outfit and you can only see the shape of them, or her boobs form the pool scene, or her boobs from the shower scene, or her boobs when the Mc stayed at her place for the first time when he was drunk and he managed to squeeze one of them, or her boobs in the sauna.
Overall there is no scene where she does not look both cute and sexy, no matter her hair style, and her boobs are always very sexy, number one in the game, at least that is my opinion.

 

[Conklingc]

Honestly, if that happens then it will suck.

Imagine what it would be like if a player who has set their sights on Sage and maintained either a Neutral or CHICK affinity right on through until the end, but then gets reject by her because she's basically just like, "nah, I'm DIK affinity and you're not so I'm ending this relationship". It wouldn't make sense because, even if there are certain things which might make her seem like she's on that side of the scale, players can still do pretty much everything with Sage, including being FWB, whilst having those other affinities. There so far hasn't been any indication she wouldn't want a guy like that, so a player getting rejected at the end over that would be a terrible way to end the game for those players.

I agree with you, but also feel that's exactly what the affinity system is (it was already used that way at the end of episode 4). Beyond being rejected/accepted it can block from even making certain choices. I don't like the system, but it's part of the game and some people may have to go back and run from different saves making out of character choices to get to a desired result.

 

[lemonfreak]

Honestly, if that happens then it will suck.

Imagine what it would be like if a player who has set their sights on Sage and maintained either a Neutral or CHICK affinity right on through until the end, but then gets reject by her because she's basically just like, "nah, I'm DIK affinity and you're not so I'm ending this relationship". It wouldn't make sense because, even if there are certain things which might make her seem like she's on that side of the scale, players can still do pretty much everything with Sage, including being FWB, whilst having those other affinities. There so far hasn't been any indication she wouldn't want a guy like that, so a player getting rejected at the end over that would be a terrible way to end the game for those players.

Several points

1 - We're on 5 of (probably) 16, there is plenty of time for the routes to begin narrowing.

2 - I did imagine your scenario, how do you think I formulated my hypothesis?

3 - My hypothesis depends on the player having enough self-awareness to recognise that their choices are leading them towards a certain LI; there will be people who target Maya while selecting the Dik option every time and those people are idiots who deserve to be punished for being idiots.

 

[mindern]

1 - At the end of each chapter we're presented with a summary of how we're doing with each LI. This varies depending on your choices.

2 - RP, the hidden stat, could very well serve to soften Affinity checks by letting you get the good ending with an LI if you are 1 mark out. For example, if Sage requires Major Dik (or positions 5-8) then a high RP would allow you to get her good ending with an Affinity of 1-4 or 9-12.

3 - The choices you make should naturally lead you to the best girl for your version of the MC; conflict should only arise if you, for example, pick Maya as your preferred then make mostly Dik choices which rule her out as the final girl.

I have to concede that I'm making a lot of assumptions here.

Yes but the being hard locked out due to affinity changes things. If you need a certain affinity for someone it can't just be arbitrary or it renders the entire system moot. We're dealing with an imperfect system here... heavily criticised on this thread. If he's going to have a system that hard locks you out of saying something based on prior actions it needs to have some way of predicting that. Consistency before the hard choice is one way of doing it.

Currently Maya/Josy are an actual example of this system falling apart. You can make all the right choices, have RP through the roof with them and be rejected because off screen you were a DIK. You're arbitrarily locked out of their route with the only punishment for not being similar affinity (I actually think it's an RP check) being you can't finger Maya during the sex scene. Sure they gain/lose RP based on DIK/CHICK choices but they don't show any excessive problem with you being a DIK until it's too late.

In my hypothetical Sage would have a lot of DIK choices and like the MC for being a DIK so that it was natural when this hard locked DIK choice rolled around. The game would give you the chance to be the man she wanted and indicate when you were being the kinda guy she likes. As you put it choices would naturally lead you to the best girl for your MC. Instead you can basically behave however you like with girls and the story chugs along with zero consequences (EP5 had Bella 180 on a DIK MC almost entirely) and hard checks materialise out the ether. This should all be carried by the RP but isn't.

Personally I'd scrap the entire DIK/CHICK checks and just base it all off RP. But I'm discussing adapting the DIK/CHICK system because DPC seems to be married to the idea of that playing a role in whether you get girls.

 

[Minion_of_Luna]

What the heck did you guys do to Bells!? She's starting to look like a sucked up meth junkie.

LOL apparently I offended meth defenders.
Forgive me for being the one guy who preferred her before like so As opposed to the above where she looks like a bulimic crack head.

 

[AvatarStormBringer]

All parts of quinn cloud my judgement.

They all cloud my judgement, except for Arieth. Come to think about it, I'm fearing the last day when Arieth might be the finale to the beach series.

 

[Holy Bacchus]

I agree with you, but also feel that's exactly what the affinity system is (it was already used that way at the end of episode 4). Beyond being rejected/accepted it can block from even making certain choices. I don't like the system, but it's part of the game and some people may have to go back and run from different saves making out of character choices to get to a desired result.

And if the game does indeed "hard lock" (as mindern puts it) players out of an ending with a certain character just because of an arbitrary hidden affinity check that seems to make no sense based on past actions and RP, then it will be as The Architect said in The Matrix Reloaded;

"Which brings us at last to the moment of truth, wherein the fundamental flaw is ultimately expressed, and the anomaly revealed as both beginning, and end."

 

[Maviarab]

Personally I'd scrap the entire DIK/CHICK checks and just base it all off RP. But I'm discussing adapting the DIK/CHICK system because DPC seems to be married to the idea of that playing a role in whether you get girls.

This is part of the problem. The system just doesn't work. massive dik but chick affinity etc. So far, with the exception of the picnic scene alone (to my knowledge), RP has not had an effect. So what's the point of it? it's like the whole system, remove it or it needs implementing properly.

Surely at some point in time, the RP system has to have some greater effect? Otherwise, really, what is it there for? Hidden yes, but if use the walkthrough, it tells you exactly where all the points are, and said, currently it has no real use. The system is slated for good reasons in my opion. Sure, the entire system can be meta-gamed to hell, I have numerous saves as such, but many people don't want that hassle of micro-managing the system to see/get results they want.

I completely agree it needs scrapping, it hasn't worked (imo) how I quite think he envisioned it to.

 

[mindern]

This is part of the problem. The system just doesn't work. massive dik but chick affinity etc. So far, with the exception of the picnic scene alone (to my knowledge), RP has not had an effect. So what's the point of it? it's like the whole system, remove it or it needs implementing properly.

Surely at some point in time, the RP system has to have some greater effect? Otherwise, really, what is it there for? Hidden yes, but if use the walkthrough, it tells you exactly where all the points are, and said, currently it has no real use. The system is slated for good reasons in my opion. Sure, the entire system can be meta-gamed to hell, I have numerous saves as such, but many people don't want that hassle of micro-managing the system to see/get results they want.

I completely agree it needs scrapping, it hasn't worked (imo) how I quite think he envisioned it to.

Ive said it before, he’s using it in about the worst way possible. The system has potential but it’s ambiguous as balls currently.

Ill keep it brief but my theory before was RP becomes king and decides all relationship outcomes. Affinity changes MC’s tone and how he says things (like it does currently in some ways). Make a lot of DIK choices and you’d start saying DIK things. This would lose/gain you RP with certain girls. You know how in game if you’re DIK or CHICK it changes how a compliment is said and how it’s perceived by the girls? Expand on that.

Spend all your time looking up girls skirts and being a DIK and you’d haemorrhage RP with all the CHICK leaning girls as your compliments and behaviour becomes kinda blunt and overtly sexual. Conversely a CHICK MC being all white knight around Sage and Quinn wouldn’t get RP for being all saccharine with them.

You could still be with these girls but you’d have to pickup the slack RP wise elsewhere.

This way affinity becomes a personality, personality naturally draws you to certain girls but how you actually behave and major choices you make still count and you’re only locked out when RP tanks enough to warrant it.

This method also removes the psychic elements of girls knowing you were a DIK elsewhere magically and condemning you for it. Maya shouldn’t know you looked up Sages skirt when you two were alone.

 

[lemonfreak]

Yes but the being hard locked out due to affinity changes things. If you need a certain affinity for someone it can't just be arbitrary or it renders the entire system moot. We're dealing with an imperfect system here... heavily criticised on this thread. If he's going to have a system that hard locks you out of saying something based on prior actions it needs to have some way of predicting that. Consistency before the hard choice is one way of doing it.

Currently Maya/Josy are an actual example of this system falling apart. You can make all the right choices, have RP through the roof with them and be rejected because off screen you were a DIK. You're arbitrarily locked out of their route with the only punishment for not being similar affinity (I actually think it's an RP check) being you can't finger Maya during the sex scene. Sure they gain/lose RP based on DIK/CHICK choices but they don't show any excessive problem with you being a DIK until it's too late.

In my hypothetical Sage would have a lot of DIK choices and like the MC for being a DIK so that it was natural when this hard locked DIK choice rolled around. The game would give you the chance to be the man she wanted and indicate when you were being the kinda guy she likes. As you put it choices would naturally lead you to the best girl for your MC. Instead you can basically behave however you like with girls and the story chugs along with zero consequences (EP5 had Bella 180 on a DIK MC almost entirely) and hard checks materialise out the ether. This should all be carried by the RP but isn't.

Personally I'd scrap the entire DIK/CHICK checks and just base it all off RP. But I'm discussing adapting the DIK/CHICK system because DPC seems to be married to the idea of that playing a role in whether you get girls.

I didn't lay out an arbitary system, I laid out a system in which ther MC's decisions would match him with the best girl for him; there will be fucking morons who make the fucking stupid decision to target one particular girl based on the initial appearence and those idiots will be punished for their lack of self awareness.

In my hypothetical, RP is a minor check that only comes into play after Dik/Chick Affinity and Dik/Chick Status are taken into account.

 

[flippityflop]

This is part of the problem. The system just doesn't work. massive dik but chick affinity etc. So far, with the exception of the picnic scene alone (to my knowledge), RP has not had an effect. So what's the point of it? it's like the whole system, remove it or it needs implementing properly.

From my personal observation, I noticed that RP affects some of the conversations you have with the LIs. More specifically what they say to you and how they say it.

 

[Holy Bacchus]

Spend all your time looking up girls skirts and being a DIK and you’d haemorrhage RP with all the CHICK leaning girls as your compliments and behaviour becomes kinda blunt and overtly sexual. Conversely a CHICK MC being all white knight around Sage and Quinn wouldn’t get RP for being all saccharine with them.

This look says Sage might like the MC being a bit saccharine and sweet.



Also, Quinn might not be totally opposed to it either.

 

[Naxer]

Well, let's speculate for a while. What do you expect to happen on next episode? What will be the next hot scene to behold?

 

[AvatarStormBringer]

This look says Sage might like the MC being a bit saccharine and sweet.

Nailed it!

 

[flippityflop]

How something is said is a pretty lame and pointless use of the Rp system though don't you think? Can't say I really noticed thata t all myself to be honest. different with chick/dik status yes, not noticed it upon RP. Again, even in the WT, the only time it makes a 'noticeable' diff (ie, you can or cannot do something) is the picnic scene.

Considering I'm playing this game primarily for its story, no, I don't think it's lame. It makes some conversation feel a bit more meaningful.
And no, I don't think the RP is used strictly for that. I'm gonna side with what mindern said. Maybe the game uses RP as a buffer of sorts.

 

[Holy Bacchus]

Well, let's speculate for a while. What do you expect to happen on next episode? What will be the next hot scene to behold?

I speculate about things a lot on this thread, but that's not somewhere I'm really willing to go. It's virtually impossible to guess much of anything about how the next episode will play out, even with the preview renders. I don't think anyone got anything right about how ep 5 went, especially how it would mainly take place in one location for the majority of the game or that that location would be the Prep mansion. Most predictions also had it going to at least the Monday and seeing what would happen to Rusty after the Cathy pic, and that the HOTs were partying with the Jocks in some big, deliberate betrayal move by Quinn.

So really, nobody can anything say for sure and all we can really do is speculate what's going on in the preview renders and express our hopes for the next episode. To that end, I really hope that this "longest ever episode" will advance the in-game time until at least the Friday of the upcoming week because we haven't had such a long progression of time since the 1st episode and would be nice to just kind of zoom through this Scavenger Hunt week.

Nailed it!

All the girls will likely have a soft side to them, even apparent tough girls like Quinn, and the MC will just do what all MCs do and break down that tough exterior to reveal the softy inside.

 

[flippityflop]

Then that in turn makes the Chick/Dik status utterly pointless. See how this ends up? It is pointless. Use one system or the other, or just scrap it and write better dialogue. Chick/Dik status already changes those dialogue interactions. So basically what we are summising is: There are actually 3 different systems in place all working against each other? Seems either incredibly badly implemented or he likes giving himself more work that he needs to.

Yeah, not a fan of the DIK/Chick system either. I wish the game would instead give us those as extra options during conversations and scenes requiring actions that are currently tied to our affinity.

Having said all that however, given how recent the picnic scene is/was, it also perhaps possible that from episode 6 onwards the RP system will be used more going forward from now on to decide what scenes you may see or how they play out. What we do know for sure is, he implemented it for some reason didn't he? Maybe the picnic scene is/was just the first instance of RP actually making a 'significant' difference in 'what interactions' you're able to do. So it won't stop a scene from occurring perhaps, but what you can do within said scene differs greatly with said RP?

What does the RP change specifically about the picnic scene? That's not something I ever tested myself.

 

[Holy Bacchus]

What does the RP change specifically about the picnic scene? That's not something I ever tested myself.

If you have more than 20RP with Maya, you kiss her.



If you have more than 10RP with Josy, you touch her panties.

 

[flippityflop]

If you have more than 20RP with Maya, you kiss her.

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If you have more than 10RP with Josy, you touch her panties.

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Okay, I remember kissing Maya. I don't remember touching Josy's panties.
... So yeah, looks like I have work to do.
Thanks for the heads up!