VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[ExDeath730]

Ya, not gonna criticize anyone for how they handle situations as those situations are VERY tense, and they happen REALLY fast, but my advice on handling these situations it to confront them head on. Middle school sucked for a lot of people, I know 8th grade was rough for me. I was not a big kid back then, and I remember multiple kids bigger than me trying to bully me. One kid who was probably 6 inches taller than me would sit behind me in one class and kick my chair (and me) sometimes - finally I got up turned around and when he stood up I kicked him right in the stomach. It didn't really hurt him, but I remember that "holy shit" look on his face because he couldn't believe I had done something and the whole class was watching by that point - funny thing, though, even though he could have almost certainly wiped the floor with me, he never bothered me again.

Another guy in another class who was at least 3-4 inches taller than me basically had his own private gang of punks who were into smoking and stealing things from people, walked behind me one day while I was just sitting and reading a book smacked me in the back of the head, likely figuring I'd never do anything back. I got up walked right up to him grabbed his face with both hands and shoved him away and told him 'let's go' - again, like the other asshole, he looked at me like "I can't believe you're actually standing up to me" just in absolute shock - teacher broke it up and wouldn't you know, the guy never bothered me again. Bullies are generally pussies - they don't like when people stand up to them even if they're bigger and will, in many cases, only do something if they have a posse with them.

My feeling on this topic having looked back at many of my own encounters is stand your ground even if you get hit - letting someone push you around, IMO, only encourages more of it, not only to an increasing degree of severity from the ones already doing it, but it actually encourages other people watching to bully you as well because they know they can get away with it.



Ya you know, the way I handle Tybalt is basically like you said, to be polite and friendly initially - that's how I am with everyone in my real life too - to borrow a line from Roadhouse - "be nice...until it's time not to be nice" - I try to follow that very closely in my life. So I was very nice and polite with Tybalt early in the game, but after he was openly a jerk in barring MC from coming in to visit Jill and then is very rude toward him in situations where other people are around (like outright ignoring him), I have mostly been a DIK back to him and will continue to do so until I'm given a reason not to be.



Ya I REALLY wanted to level him, but the way I looked at it was we shouldn't have been there. We literally had a conversation with Jill on the phone beforehand telling her we were having the DIK party that night (effectively mis-leading her with half truths) - it would've been REALLY bad optics later with Jill if you'd leveled Tybalt after their mansion had been set on fire - that's Jill's defacto residence after all, and MC was trespassing in a place Tybalt had told him repeatedly he was not allowed to be, so I figured if we then hit Tybalt on top of it, we're looking at potential legal issues as well as relationship issues with Jill - the payoff is just not worth the risk, and under those circumstances MC just has to eat that one and walk. I hope for another chance down the road where Tybalt does something dumb toward MC off prep property and then it'll be game-on for Tybalt to get rekt.

Interesting, your experiences match my own in High School, even if here in Brazil things are a lot more eye to an eye and there's less physical bullying (guys here are more prone to fight back, also the pecking order is different, we don't have Jocks) but more social bullying. But yes, in the enviroment i was in, fighting back is the only option, things here are different, a lot of concepts people say here as absolute truths would get you laughed at in Brazil, different cultures i guess. Also the schools are a lot less punishing about fighting if things don't get out of control.

About the Tybalt situation... I would never get my fists dirty by punching that turd. Putting my pride in the backseat, i am kissing and making the girl he wants happy, i crashed and destroyed his party with a lot of powerful people around to see how much of an absolute pathetic president he is, i fucked Sage on his bed and to top it off me and my boy Derek egged him and his underlings. At that point, i would probably laugh at his slap because of how much winning i was doing.

 

[SPACE_BOOOOOST]

Can’t wait to see Jill’s hymen

A fellow romantic, I see.

 

[Dashxp4k]

Interesting, your experiences match my own in High School, even if here in Brazil things are a lot more eye to an eye and there's less physical bullying (guys here are more prone to fight back, also the pecking order is different, we don't have Jocks) but more social bullying. But yes, in the enviroment i was in, fighting back is the only option, things here are different, a lot of concepts people say here as absolute truths would get you laughed at in Brazil, different cultures i guess. Also the schools are a lot less punishing about fighting if things don't get out of control.

About the Tybalt situation... I would never get my fists dirty by punching that turd. Putting my pride in the backseat, i am kissing and making the girl he wants happy, i crashed and destroyed his party with a lot of powerful people around to see how much of an absolute pathetic president he is, i fucked Sage on his bed and to top it off me and my boy Derek egged him and his underlings. At that point, i would probably laugh at his slap because of how much winning i was doing.

They hating the greatness.

 

[Chericheri345]

Interesting, your experiences match my own in High School, even if here in Brazil things are a lot more eye to an eye and there's less physical bullying (guys here are more prone to fight back, also the pecking order is different, we don't have Jocks) but more social bullying. But yes, in the enviroment i was in, fighting back is the only option, things here are different, a lot of concepts people say here as absolute truths would get you laughed at in Brazil, different cultures i guess. Also the schools are a lot less punishing about fighting if things don't get out of control.

About the Tybalt situation... I would never get my fists dirty by punching that turd. Putting my pride in the backseat, i am kissing and making the girl he wants happy, i crashed and destroyed his party with a lot of powerful people around to see how much of an absolute pathetic president he is, i fucked Sage on his bed and to top it off me and my boy Derek egged him and his underlings. At that point, i would probably laugh at his slap because of how much winning i was doing.

Don't forget to mention, the MC also fucked his mom. And his mom specifically asked the MC to call her 'mommy' when she was fucking him. If given the chance, I suppose even Jade would cuckold him and fuck the MC right in front of the husband and Tybalt.

Also, I feel not punching Tybalt is the better and more preferred option. Because the way you indirectly ruining his life is way worse in comparison to him getting his manicured hands on your cheeks. Let him have that small victory, for he has already lost the war.
Funny thing is, even his joy is shortlived because Derek starts dropping the EGGTILLERY on his ass almost immediately!

 

[Cndyrvr4lf]

Myeah, I wouldn't count too much on impartiality of the Justice system considering the settings and circumstances.

Hell, the preferential treatment of "school athletes" in the US (which BaDIK uses as cultural settings) is well documented, and Tybalt is far above that kind of class subgroup by the "virtue" of wealth alone, even discounting any direct actions his family may or may not take.
Don't forget that it was also the MC, not Tybalt (whose family may or may not be in position to influence the school's board anyway) that literally just a few days ago sat on a meeting where the school's "no violence allowed or you're expelled" position was made perfectly clear. Not to mention that, if MC ended up in front of the board for misbehavior, there's a pretty good chance the Alphas would jump on the occasion as a turn-around revenge for what happened to Chad.

I could also point you to numerous case law that also shows that school athletes and wealthy kids go to jail/prison. The ones you are probably referring to are all sensational news stories that make the headlines. However many more than those are prosecuted everyday and no one hears about them because it isn't a travesty of judgement.

That works both ways as far as if the MC goes before the board. The fact that Tybalt hit the MC first would complicate the whole issue. Is the board willing to take the same stance with Tybalt that it would with the MC?

 

[lemonfreak]

I could also point you to numerous case law that also shows that school athletes and wealthy kids go to jail/prison. The ones you are probably referring to are all sensational news stories that make the headlines. However many more than those are prosecuted everyday and no one hears about them because it isn't a travesty of judgement.

That works both ways as far as if the MC goes before the board. The fact that Tybalt hit the MC first would complicate the whole issue. Is the board willing to take the same stance with Tybalt that it would with the MC?

Considering his mother is a professor at the college and part of the disciplinary board they'd have no choice but to treat Tybalt as any other student in order to avoid acusations of favouritism.

 

[SpikyHair]

I could also point you to numerous case law that also shows that school athletes and wealthy kids go to jail/prison. The ones you are probably referring to are all sensational news stories that make the headlines.

I've been running into stories like that for decades. On top of quite a few documented cases that (without this "sensationalism) weren't even originally prosecuted because local star athlete got shielded by everyone involved, police included, in the first place, until somebody blew the thing up enough outsiders got involved.

Not sure why blatant favorism and preferential treatment shouldn't be "sensationalized," either, when other people get dumped in the slammer, much less end up with criminal rap, for far less grievous offenses. And, again, that doesn't even take under account what level of impunity sufficient amount of wealth can afford you in the first place.

However many more than those are prosecuted everyday and no one hears about them because it isn't a travesty of judgement.

The fact that the other kind continues to surface is, alone, troublesome, to put it lightly.

That works both ways as far as if the MC goes before the board. The fact that Tybalt hit the MC first would complicate the whole issue. Is the board willing to take the same stance with Tybalt that it would with the MC?

Asuming the preps won't outright lie that Tybalt hasn't touched the MC in the first place? I mean, it's pretty iffy judging whether or not there were outside witnesses, and a limp-wristed Tybalt-slap is unlikely to leave lasting marks. Unlike a face punch.

"While we do not condone and will not tolerate any level of violence in our school, and will level appropriate actions against both offenders, it should be noted that an open-handed slap in the throes of high emotions was responded to with overwhelming and potentially lethal full-force punch to the face. The escalation of the situation into one potentially endangering well-being and life of one of the students will not be tolerated."

Or, if you prefer it in simpler terms "It was just a slap, bro!"

Hell, even if there are witnesses supporting him the MC could run into serious problems (depending on local laws) attempting to claim self-defense, if Tybalt's side could prove he disengaged after the slap and was not set to continue the aggression, but MC still went ahead and slugged them.

I mean, sure, it's entertainment, where physical violence is frequently portrayed, especially in "comedic settings," far beyond what would be legally defensible, and this is very much anal-level of nit-picking, but hey... if we're wasting time between the updates discussing the events portrayed in somewhat realistic manner, why not

Considering his mother is a professor at the college and part of the disciplinary board they'd have no choice but to treat Tybalt as any other student in order to avoid acusations of favouritism.

Eh, I wouldn't have staked my possible future on that, were I in MC's shoes.

There's a lot of variables there that are completely outside of MC's control. The snobbism of the wealthy class alone might require disproportional response to somebody daring to use force against one of their own children, circumstances be damned.

Not like MC doesn't have (depending on player's choices) some good backing on their own, but... yeah. Dicey decision even disregarding any moral considerations.

Shit, the best DIK response, in my opinion, would've been something like "Hope you slap your melon harder than that." Also, fittingly dumbassed to disclose such knowledge, as behooving a true DIK.

 

[Dashxp4k]

These of the names we have to remember in future episodes Except Burke.

 

[Dashxp4k]

These of the names we have to remember in future episodes Except Burke.

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The funny thing is that a Burgmeister or Royce didn't join the party.

 

[Cndyrvr4lf]

I've been running into stories like that for decades. On top of quite a few documented cases that (without this "sensationalism) weren't even originally prosecuted because local star athlete got shielded by everyone involved, police included, in the first place, until somebody blew the thing up enough outsiders got involved.

I have a law degree so I've been studying this shit for 20+ years. I'm not saying our system is foolproof or totally impartial however the "news headlines" are the outliers not the norm.

Not sure why blatant preferential treatment shouldn't be "sensationalized," either, when other people get dumped in the slammer, much less end up with criminal rap, for far less grievous offenses. And, again, that doesn't even take under account what leve of impunity sufficient amount of wealth can afford you in the first place.
The fact that they continue to surface is, alone, troublesome, to put it lightly.
Asuming the preps won't outright lie that Tybalt hasn't touched the MC in the first place (I mean, it's pretty iffy judging whether or not there were outside witnesses)?

The DIK's were all right there, Derek was there, hell the girls that just left were right there. Just cause we don't see them on screen they don't go poof.

"While we do not condone any level of violence, and will level appropriate actions against both offenders, it should be noted that an open-handed slap in the throes of high emotions was responded to with overwhelming and potentially lethal full-force punch to the face. The escalation of the situation into one potentially endangering well-being and life of one of the students will not be tolerated."

Or, if you prefer it in simpler terms "It was just a slap, bro!"

The law doesn't differentiate between the two. A hit is a hit. If I poke you in the chest its still assault. There is no "I just poked him" defense.

Hell, even if there are witnesses MC could run into serious problems (depending on local laws) attempting to claim self-defense, if Tybalt's side could prove he disengaged after the slap and was not set to continue the aggression, but MC still went ahead and slugged them.

They would both be charged with assault. Self defense standards are a "continuous effort to physically assault." Which means Tybalt would have had to attempt to hit him a second time for self defense to even be an issue.

Don't get me wrong I know our Justice System, hell our entire system, has serious issues but its not so clear cut as some people are making it out to be. Myself included. I know shit sometimes slides that shouldn't but those are the exceptions not the norm.

 

[SpikyHair]

The law doesn't differentiate between the two. A hit is a hit. If I poke you in the chest its still assault. There is no "I just poked him" defense.

I wasn't talking about legal ramifications, though, but academic punishment and potential for rather arbitrary enforcement considering the circumstances.

Don't get me wrong I know our Justice System, hell our entire system, has serious issues but its not so clear cut as some people are making it out to be. Myself included. I know shit sometimes slides that shouldn't but those are the exceptions not the norm.

Yeah, I don't mean to imply in any way that the potential outcome of any "official" action in relation to this would've been a largely foregone conclusion one way or another.

Just that the "Joe Nobody" schmuck of an MC should know to be very careful when butting heads with the high and mighty.

As to reality of such cases... I've seen way too much to ever assume impartiality.

 

[Cndyrvr4lf]

Then you should know assault isn't a civil matter then.

Yeah it's a state crime. No where did I say that its a civil matter. Holy Bacchus is trying to use civil standards that is what I was referring to

Yeah, I don't mean to imply in any way that the potential outcome of any "official" action in relation to this would've been a largely foregone conclusion one way or another.

Just that the "Joe Nobody" schmuck of an MC should know to be very careful when butting heads with the high and mighty.

As to reality of such cases... I've seen way too much to ever assume impartiality.

Same Brotha

 

[Chericheri345]

I kind of feel its ok to let Maya and Josy be together and the MC to start a short thressome relation with Quinn and Sage. Thoughts?

 

[Sexual Harassment Panda]

These of the names we have to remember in future episodes Except Burke.

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Dr. Johnson reminds me of Samuel Johnson. Will Burr reminds me of Bill Burr... I wonder if these names are just homages/easter eggs that DPC just wanted to throw to the players, for fun... Sir Gregory doesn't say anything to me, tho.

 

[Squid09]

what game/program was used to make this game, like some games on here use Honey Select others use Koikatsu. But like for this game and other 3dcg games what is used?

 

[drcynic22]

I kind of feel its ok to let Maya and Josy be together and the MC to start a short thressome relation with Quinn and Sage. Thoughts?

I mean if that's your thing, you can go for it, but I'm not into Quinn at all and Maya is my best girl, so I kinda have the opposite feeling, myself.

 

[flippityflop]

I kind of feel its ok to let Maya and Josy be together and the MC to start a short thressome relation with Quinn and Sage. Thoughts?

You might be feeling ok with that, but Maya and Josy are not done with MC yet.
A Quinn and Sage throuple relationship is very unlikely right now. If ever.

 

[Cokebaths]

Wow this thread really is a roller coaster

 

[Cndyrvr4lf]

I wasn't talking about legal ramifications, though, but academic punishment and potential for rather arbitrary enforcement considering the circumstances.

lemonfreak posted a good one on this. Because Jade and Burke are his parents in order to avoid issues of favoritism and shit they would probably have to treat Tybalt the same as MC

 

[Razrback16]

Interesting, your experiences match my own in High School, even if here in Brazil things are a lot more eye to an eye and there's less physical bullying (guys here are more prone to fight back, also the pecking order is different, we don't have Jocks) but more social bullying. But yes, in the enviroment i was in, fighting back is the only option, things here are different, a lot of concepts people say here as absolute truths would get you laughed at in Brazil, different cultures i guess. Also the schools are a lot less punishing about fighting if things don't get out of control.

That's good that your school lets you fight back. I remember one time in 7th grade a guy pushed me into a counter and I hit him in response in class and as the guidance counselor walked me out to my parents' car after school that day (we'd both been given saturday school detentions) she asked me "will you get in trouble for fighting?" and I said "no - I was defending myself, my parents might be angry with you, though" lol. Over here, it's a lot of SJW nonsense in schools these days - they want all the kids to be cucks and want you to not respond if someone is mean to you and seem to generally punish the victims more than the perpetrators, hah - I'm glad my wife and I decided not to have kids. I'd no doubt have major issues with school administration over here with the way they handle things today.

And like you said about social bullying - I think that's becoming more and more rampant also. When I was in school (I'm 38, now, so it's been a while), we were just getting dial up internet so there was no facebook, twitter, myspace, etc. I'm thankful for that, too, I imagine that's gotta be pretty awful for some kids.