VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[bxchun]

And Darth Vader is on the Star Wars poster so he's the hero, right?

Quinn is a MG starting from chapter 1. She was designed as one, although it is as the main antagonist and not a LI. DPC himself stated that the story was set from the beginning but it could change along the way.

 

[Traitus]

This whole "not download patch but individual downloads" sounds like fishing for leakers for me. It's not that hard to hide a serial number in the code.

 

[Deleted member 1784858]

He murdered hundreds of kids so his sacrifice was a bit of a death bed confession and didn't even matter canonically

You are absolutely right. That one room full of kids was hundreds and we know with absolute certainty that Luke's help was completely unnecessary to the plot as it was written as fucking plot. Do you just like to hear yourself talk or something? You aren't even comparing apples to oranges here. You're just asserting your bullshit like it's fact.

 

[shazba]

You are absolutely right. That one room full of kids was hundreds and we know with absolute certainty that Luke's help was completely unnecessary to the plot as it was written as fucking plot. Do you just like to hear yourself talk or something? You aren't even comparing apples to oranges here. You're just asserting your bullshit like it's fact.

Dude, it's just an opinion, why you gotta get so worked up about it?

Technically Vader killed millions of kids. He blew up Alderaan just to fuck with Leia, there were 2 billion people on that planet.

So yeah, Vader definitely wasn't a main LI. He was a cunt with a kickass voice (at least in the original trilogy).

 

[Wonder Wolf]

Release´day is gonna be a nightmare for be able to download the full game.

I live in a small village with lots of forest around and can tell you that my internet connection is a bigger nightmare than a one hour animation loop that consists only of madame's pussy licking. So there is only the compressed version for me and that takes also few hours.

View attachment Punch!.mp4

 

[goldenrule91]

I don't think this fits what we've seen of Quinn's actions thus far. She was willing to lie to Sage's face in Episode 4 to set up the prep party, taunt Sage about her wealthy upbringing, and then weasel out of actually informing the DIKs as Sage instructed. Hell, she even tried to set Mona up with Professor Burke right under Sage's nose! And all of this was before Chad broke up with Sage, so Sage should have been paying attention. More recently:

• She flipped off Maya even though Sage had specifically told her her to mend fences if possible
• She sold drugs to KRJ during the HOT party
• She is only too happy to interrupt Sage fucking the MC with Riona (unless the MC is on Quinn's path)

To me it's pretty clear that Quinn has no particular fear of Sage, and probably not too much respect. I think Quinn worries about Sage only in the sense that Quinn knows publicly defying Sage is a fight she'd lose since Sage is the President and Quinn isn't.

But that's not fear: Quinn probably assumes, with her usual arrogance, that she's too good at pulling the wool over Sage's eyes to ever be caught. And if Sage ever did cotton on, Quinn probably thinks she could outmaneuver Sage by getting the other HOTs to help depose her (and Quinn might actually be right about that).

All that said, Quinn doesn't look particularly uncomfortable in the preview IMHO. So I'd say this is just her helping Sage tease the MC on a lark, and is taken from the non-Quinn-path version of the scene. I doubt it will end in a threesome.

We'll find out... soon (TM).

Not surprisingly this demonstrates our differing takes on Quinn's motivations again I think since it's so close to release date now that any lengthy predictions will be wasted so lemme just say that I don't think Quinn is being arrogant when it comes to Sage: in fact, I think it's Sage that's been arrogant when it comes to Quinn. Sage thinks she can neglect her leadership role and have Quinn do all the work because she's preoccupied with her own feelings of neglect with Chad, how is that not arrogance? Meanwhile, as you yourself admit, Quinn has potentially outmaneuvered Sage and might be able to depose her from her own sorority, how is that arrogance on Quinn's part when she's actually succeeding?

Anyhow, like you say we'll find out soon how the scene will play out and how the Quinn/Sage dynamic develops I really can't predict the odds of a threesome itself because there are too many variables at play, and it's really difficult to offer a short analysis because of the massive differences there are between being on Quinn's path and not. I have my saves ready to go for being on Quinn's path with Sage and not being on Quinn's path with Sage so I'll spot any differences there are so I can nitpick them on an esoteric adult gaming site message board

 

[ename144]

Not surprisingly this demonstrates our differing takes on Quinn's motivations again I think since it's so close to release date now that any lengthy predictions will be wasted so lemme just say that I don't think Quinn is being arrogant when it comes to Sage: in fact, I think it's Sage that's been arrogant when it comes to Quinn. Sage thinks she can neglect her leadership role and have Quinn do all the work because she's preoccupied with her own feelings of neglect with Chad, how is that not arrogance?

Seems more like complacency than arrogance to me. Sage trusts Quinn (for God knows what reason), so she assumes things are running smoothly when Quinn hides all the problems from her. Please note that when Quinn is unable to hide a problem (Maya quitting on the night she was accepted), Sage is quick to accept Maya's accusations rather than insist it must all be Maya's fault.

I'm also not sure how much of Sage's work Quinn is actually doing. We know Quinn does a lot and Sage appreciates her initiative, but as VP presumably at least some of that work is genuinely supposed to be Quinn's own. And we know Sage is having Quinn handle a few things specifically to give her training for when Sage leaves.

Meanwhile, we have seen Sage spend a significant amount of time on HOT matters. We saw that Sage was doing some sort of HOT paperwork back in Episode 4. She was also investigating Lily and Ashley even though Quinn was in charge of judging their application. She's the one who set up the prep party Episode 5, despite hating it. And Sage was still planning to run the HOT initiation until she got sick.

Meanwhile, as you yourself admit, Quinn has potentially outmaneuvered Sage and might be able to depose her from her own sorority, how is that arrogance on Quinn's part when she's actually succeeding?

I said was arrogant for assuming Sage would never find out, which I expect will happen someday.

I also think Quinn would be just as confident in her ability to depose Sage even if Sage had the full support of the sorority, because Quinn has amply demonstrated her utter inability to recognize her own limitations. The woman not only thought she'd be able to treat Tybalt as a peer, she thought doing so would convince him to buy weed from her in bulk!

Anyhow, like you say we'll find out soon how the scene will play out and how the Quinn/Sage dynamic develops I really can't predict the odds of a threesome itself because there are too many variables at play, and it's really difficult to offer a short analysis because of the massive differences there are between being on Quinn's path and not. I have my saves ready to go for being on Quinn's path with Sage and not being on Quinn's path with Sage so I'll spot any differences there are so I can nitpick them on an esoteric adult gaming site message board

As all right thinking people should!

 

[ChipLecsap]

in fact, I think it's Sage that's been arrogant when it comes to Quinn. Sage thinks she can neglect her leadership role and have Quinn do all the work because she's preoccupied with her own feelings of neglect with Chad, how is that not arrogance?

Okay I really didn't wanted to get involved in this. This is between you and ename144 .
But can you please stop smoking Quinn's drugs, or take off your "pink in love with Quinn glasses" for a second, and stop trying to rewrite facts just for your agenda ?

The reason why Quinn has the power she has, is not because Sage arrogant or neglect her own responsibility. It is because Quinn is the potential next President of the Hots. Sage see her as her heir, her succesor. So she Gave her the power and responsibility to train her for this role, and because she has a sentimental feeling toward Quinn she is more forgiving with her. Quinn, on the other hand has problem with the responsibility part. Her problems comes from mostly because of her Shadow Organization behind Sage back. And when the chips fall, She goes back to Sage to clean up the messes she created.
Yes. Sage did make mistake, by giving Quinn the power that obviously she was not ready for, and never will be , But thats come from Sage sentimental feelings toward Quinn. and whitout that there would not be story anyway.

 

[Selek]

ename144 , thank you for your amazing spreadsheet on the mansion minigame. Alas, I don't have Excel these days; I use LibreOffice. I think I read that your spreadsheet is designed only for Excel? I'm seeing some wonky behavior as I try to follow your tutorial, and I wanted to verify that the problem is likely my software. Assuming I can't use the spreadsheet, can I ask if I have some general principles correct? In fact, I'd rather play the game myself with some general guidelines, as I think it's a fun challenge.

1. First, I get that I should maximize the dumpster at start. Should I make any other investments? Cleaning supplies, say? I plan to donate my Pink Rose card to the repair effort. (This is a CHICK playthrough and I'm being Mr Nice.)

2. I should not assign any Work jobs at all until, say, free roam 5 or 6? In the meantime, invest in Work XP so that one takes only the best jobs all at once at the end of the process?

3. Should I allocate all 60 XP points available to me this time? I may have misunderstood, but I thought I read a post suggesting one should not do that. If I don't invest them, do they carry over to the next free roam?

4. One of your earlier posts suggests having two groups of three DIKs, each group with 90 work, but one prioiritizing Cleaning and the other Salvaging. So one ends up with 6 DIKs who have 90 work skill. No need for more than 6 DIKs with high work skill?

5. Can I prioritize Jacob's room? I want him to get painting soon.

6. I like the idea of the 3/3/3/5/9 constraint. Three rooms in the first three roams; then 5; then 9. In general, I imagine this means completely finishing some rooms early on, then leaving a bunch unfinished as one approaches the later weeks?

7. If I suspect a DIK of disloyalty, can I freeze him out of XP gain and still repair the mansion? Maybe it doesn't matter, as the mansion will be repaired before we learn who the mole is?

Again, thanks for your awesome work on this! It's much appreciated.

 

[keltboy]

Just use Scrappy mod lol

 

[goldenrule91]

Seems more like complacency than arrogance to me. Sage trusts Quinn (for God knows what reason), so she assumes things are running smoothly when Quinn hides all the problems from her. Please note that when Quinn is unable to hide a problem (Maya quitting on the night she was accepted), Sage is quick to accept Maya's accusations rather than insist it must all be Maya's fault.

I'm also not sure how much of Sage's work Quinn is actually doing. We know Quinn does a lot and Sage appreciates her initiative, but as VP presumably at least some of that work is genuinely supposed to be Quinn's own. And we know Sage is having Quinn handle a few things specifically to give her training for when Sage leaves.

Meanwhile, we have seen Sage spend a significant amount of time on HOT matters. We saw that Sage was doing some sort of HOT paperwork back in Episode 4. She was also investigating Lily and Ashley even though Quinn was in charge of judging their application. She's the one who set up the prep party Episode 5, despite hating it. And Sage was still planning to run the HOT initiation until she got sick.


I said was arrogant for assuming Sage would never find out, which I expect will happen someday.

I also think Quinn would be just as confident in her ability to depose Sage even if Sage had the full support of the sorority, because Quinn has amply demonstrated her utter inability to recognize her own limitations. The woman not only thought she'd be able to treat Tybalt as a peer, she thought doing so would convince him to buy weed from her in bulk!

Okay I really didn't wanted to get involved in this. This is between you and ename144 .
But can you please stop smoking Quinn's drugs, or take off your "pink in love with Quinn glasses" for a second, and stop trying to rewrite facts just for your agenda ?

The reason why Quinn has the power she has, is not because Sage arrogant or neglect her own responsibility. It is because Quinn is the potential next President of the Hots. Sage see her as her heir, her succesor. So she Gave her the power and responsibility to train her for this role, and because she has a sentimental feeling toward Quinn she is more forgiving with her. Quinn, on the other hand has problem with the responsibility part. Her problems comes from mostly because of her Shadow Organization behind Sage back. And when the chips fall, She goes back to Sage to clean up the messes she created.
Yes. Sage did make mistake, by giving Quinn the power that obviously she was not ready for, and never will be , But thats come from Sage sentimental feelings toward Quinn. and whitout that there would not be story anyway.

I'm always happy to address multiple people bro, but I've never rewritten any facts and if I did it would be super easy to point it out but you didn't, all you did was give me your interpretation on facts we all agree on You gotta understand that Sage is my main LI so everything I say is not biased against her in any way. We all agree that Sage made a massive mistake of entrusting the majority of her duties to the wrong person. Call it arrogant, complacent, dumb, neglectful, whatever, and I don't understand how I'm smoking Quinn's drugs when I admit that Quinn is the villain in this situation for undermining Sage My liking Quinn has nothing to do with Sage's actions, and if you write it all off with just saying there wouldn't be a story without it, I dunno what to say to that. I have to assume actions have a reason and aren't just poor writing. Is it poor writing that Sage trusts Quinn so much that she literally never checks up on what she's doing for 7 episodes until she checks on Maya (who isn't even a HOT)? Yeah probably, but maybe there are other reasons, character flaws in Sage that we can actually discuss.

My point in saying what I was saying, is that just as easily as ename can label Quinn as arrogant - which is not a fact, in the least - I can label Sage's actions as arrogant. Sage is a leader with responsibilities, she has many reasons to fail in those responsibilities (the Chad situation, getting sick, character flaws, etc.) but nevertheless she failed. Quinn took advantage of that failure, she's a villain. Those are the facts. Anything else is subjective interpretation

I also want to point out some inconsistencies in ename's arguments here. Apparently Sage assumes things are running smoothly with Quinn and the HOTs, despite also hearing things about Quinn's treatment of the initiates like Maya, and Sage also sets up the the prep party which was Quinn's idea while hating it? This reasoning is all over the place. Sage was at the prep party herself wasn't she? Lily, one of her girls, was literally downstairs clucking about how shit the party is at that same party but Sage never thought to check on how the other girls felt? The girls she's responsible for? What else was she doing? Sage could have talked to any of the HOTs that night and discovered that none of them wanted to be there, hell she could have walked into any of two rooms and found one of them crying about it. If that isn't neglectful as a leader, what is? I'm seriously having issues figuring out if we are trying to rewrite the facts here, because the majority of time we see Sage in the game she's either preoccupied with Chad, her studies, or ignoring every bad rumor she's hearing about Quinn

This is all par for the course with Sage though, and let me tell you why. In flashbacks we see that Sage was hanging off Chad and promising him that the HOTs would only party with the Tri's. She seems to decide this unilateraly, with no input, all because she wants to please the guy she's dating. Sage doesn't seem to care about anyone in the HOTs except for Quinn, and I'm super curious if you can find me any evidence to prove otherwise. Keep in mind that Maya is not in the HOTs as well, she's only thinking about joining, so Sage went to talk to someone who's only thinking about joining and listen to all her problems before going to someone like Heather and seeing her opinions on the sorority And she only did that AFTER sending Quinn to go and fix it.

 

[Lightaces]

Dude, it's just an opinion, why you gotta get so worked up about it?

Technically Vader killed millions of kids. He blew up Alderaan just to fuck with Leia, there were 2 billion people on that planet.

So yeah, Vader definitely wasn't a main LI. He was a cunt with a kickass voice (at least in the original trilogy).

Tarkin blew up Alderaan. Not saying Vader objected, but he was Tarkin's bitch.

 

[seniorboop]

Alas, I don't have Excel these days; I use LibreOffice.

Forewarning im just busting your balls only because I laughed reading this. Seeing this on a pirating site is hilarious

Every version of Office has been cracked 6 ways to Sunday. You could have downloaded and installed it before you finished writing that post lol

 

[`Ray`]

ename144 , thank you for your amazing spreadsheet on the mansion minigame. Alas, I don't have Excel these days; I use LibreOffice. I think I read that your spreadsheet is designed only for Excel? I'm seeing some wonky behavior as I try to follow your tutorial, and I wanted to verify that the problem is likely my software. Assuming I can't use the spreadsheet, can I ask if I have some general principles correct? In fact, I'd rather play the game myself with some general guidelines, as I think it's a fun challenge.

You can use this website here to view the file online. Just upload the excel file and you are good to go.

You must be registered to see the links

7. If I suspect a DIK of disloyalty, can I freeze him out of XP gain and still repair the mansion? Maybe it doesn't matter, as the mansion will be repaired before we learn who the mole is?

There is no need to do this since it's OUR loss, nothing will happen to that DIK no matter you do.

Secondly, We don't explicitly know who the mole is.

 

[sorco2003]

I also want to point out some inconsistencies in ename's arguments here. Apparently Sage assumes things are running smoothly with Quinn and the HOTs, despite also hearing things about Quinn's treatment of the initiates like Maya, and Sage also sets up the the prep party which was Quinn's idea while hating it? This reasoning is all over the place. Sage was at the prep party herself wasn't she? Lily, one of her girls, was literally downstairs clucking about how shit the party is at that same party but Sage never thought to check on how the other girls felt? The girls she's responsible for? What else was she doing? Sage could have talked to any of the HOTs that night and discovered that none of them wanted to be there, hell she could have walked into any of two rooms and found one of them crying about it. If that isn't neglectful as a leader, what is? I'm seriously having issues figuring out if we are trying to rewrite the facts here, because the majority of time we see Sage in the game she's either preoccupied with Chad, her studies, or ignoring every bad rumor she's hearing about Quinn

Here you are misreading the situation. Sage knows that no one wants to be at the prep party, but the money they charge is necessary to cover the shortages that Quinn claims exist, claiming that there are many new girls and expenses will increase. Obviously Quinn's ulterior motive is to sell drugs to the preps, but the reason for taking the job is lack of funds.

This is all par for the course with Sage though, and let me tell you why. In flashbacks we see that Sage was hanging off Chad and promising him that the HOTs would only party with the Tri's. She seems to decide this unilateraly, with no input, all because she wants to please the guy she's dating. Sage doesn't seem to care about anyone in the HOTs except for Quinn, and I'm super curious if you can find me any evidence to prove otherwise. Keep in mind that Maya is not in the HOTs as well, she's only thinking about joining, so Sage went to talk to someone who's only thinking about joining and listen to all her problems before going to someone like Heather and seeing her opinions on the sorority And she only did that AFTER sending Quinn to go and fix it.

The tradition of tri and hots comes from before Sage and Chad. Remember that in that flashback there were no DIKs yet.
Finally, for a person to be elected vice president in their first year and president for the next 3 years is because they have done something right.

 

[ename144]

ename144 , thank you for your amazing spreadsheet on the mansion minigame. Alas, I don't have Excel these days; I use LibreOffice. I think I read that your spreadsheet is designed only for Excel? I'm seeing some wonky behavior as I try to follow your tutorial, and I wanted to verify that the problem is likely my software. Assuming I can't use the spreadsheet, can I ask if I have some general principles correct? In fact, I'd rather play the game myself with some general guidelines, as I think it's a fun challenge.

Thanks for the kind words. Sadly, I have no idea how well my spreadsheet would work in other programs. I made it using Excel 2007 since that was what I had available; if it's possible to import that format maybe it could run? If not, I can at least give you screenshots of the solution I worked out to finish the mansion by the end of Episode 7. It's somewhere to start.

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On your questions, there are a lot of theories about how best to proceed and I'm not really the expert. I can give you my strategies in brief since it's getting late here.

1. First, I get that I should maximize the dumpster at start. Should I make any other investments? Cleaning supplies, say? I plan to donate my Pink Rose card to the repair effort. (This is a CHICK playthrough and I'm being Mr Nice.)

I don't think the other investments are worth it most of the time. 45% is a lot, but to come out ahead on that $5 you'd need to rank your DIKs up enough to take at least $6 worth of better jobs over the course of the repair, either through higher stats or finishing rooms earlier. I think that's tough given that you need something like 4610% to fully repair the mansion.

That said, the boosts can it can make it a lot easier to get your DIKs to the point where they can solo rooms or work better jobs. So even if it doesn't strictly pay for itself, it may cut down on the times you need to reload a save for better jobs or the time spent planning the best path. If that's worthwhile will depend on your playstyle.

2. I should not assign any Work jobs at all until, say, free roam 5 or 6? In the meantime, invest in Work XP so that one takes only the best jobs all at once at the end of the process?

I'd say it depends on what the payout for working is. In the screenshots, you can see I started Rusty, the MC and Derek working $3 jobs early, since it only takes straight 40s to work the "My marriage is falling apart" job, and their work experience will eventually allow them to handle a few other $3 jobs as time goes by. I thought that was a better strategy than trying to mass work jobs later since I was expecting to reload a lot and this way I only needed to wait for the RNG to give me one $3 job at a time. YMMV.

3. Should I allocate all 60 XP points available to me this time? I may have misunderstood, but I thought I read a post suggesting one should not do that. If I don't invest them, do they carry over to the next free roam?

I've heard that too, but I'm not sure why that would be the case. My guess is it's strictly a question of playstyle. If you intend to plan everything out ahead of time, I'd say you're better off spending the XP ASAP. Since you already know where each point is ultimately going there's no difference when you assign the points; might as well get the trivial increase in score for having the extra skills. If, on the other hand, you want flexibility to adapt as the repairs proceed then it makes sense to hoard the points as much as possible and spend them when you know what you want.

Part of the reason I made my tracker was so that I could preemptively assign points where they'd later go, so I favor the "spend like DIKs at the Pink Rose" plan.

4. One of your earlier posts suggests having two groups of three DIKs, each group with 90 work, but one prioiritizing Cleaning and the other Salvaging. So one ends up with 6 DIKs who have 90 work skill. No need for more than 6 DIKs with high work skill?

My thought was that there's only one job in the game that requires 90 Cleaning; all the other jobs (including the $4 ones) can be done with at most 75 Cleaning. So my plan was to aim for a team of three with 75 Cleaning/90 Build/90 Work and another team of three with 90 Work/90 Salvage. That would give me a shot to work nearly all the best jobs when they came up. The last 3 DIKs would aspire to high skills too, I just didn't expect to have enough points to get there.

In the end, I'm not sure if this will be especially important unless we wind up continuing to work jobs after the mansion is repaired.

5. Can I prioritize Jacob's room? I want him to get painting soon.

Yes, I do that in my solution. Jacob's room takes 250% total to fix, so it's not a bad choice for an early target: enough to justify a 3 man crew but still achievable without dumping all your points into it.

That said, if you hold off, Jacob will eventually start repairing his room on his own at the end of Episode 7. And once you unlock one of his paintings on a playthrough, it's unlocked forever on all the other ones, so you don't necessarily need to rush if you have multiple playthroughs.

It's probably still a terrible idea to wait, but it is technically unique content you can only see by playing with mini-games. Up to you if that's worth anything.

6. I like the idea of the 3/3/3/5/9 constraint. Three rooms in the first three roams; then 5; then 9. In general, I imagine this means completely finishing some rooms early on, then leaving a bunch unfinished as one approaches the later weeks?

I've never really tried that approach fully, but I think you have the right idea. You'll need to plan ahead very carefully to get 9 rooms that can be finished simultaneously. I never had the patience to solve that, so I settled for a slightly less aggressive expansion, something like 3/3/4/5/6/5/2. The solution in the screenshots wound up as 3/2/3/4/5/6, but I also worked jobs most of the time.

7. If I suspect a DIK of disloyalty, can I freeze him out of XP gain and still repair the mansion? Maybe it doesn't matter, as the mansion will be repaired before we learn who the mole is?

Hey, I trust all my DIK brothers!

But if we assume, purely hypothetically, that I didn't, I probably would have been tempted to starve the mole... hypothetically. The problem is, as you say, by the time we know who the mole is it's probably too late to get stingy with the XP.

That, and my iron clad trust for my bothers, of course.

Again, thanks for your awesome work on this! It's much appreciated.

You're welcome! Good luck!

 

[Ilhares]

Ok, derailing a little OT today, but it needs to happen.

Technically Vader killed millions of kids. He blew up Alderaan just to fuck with Leia, there were 2 billion people on that planet.

Tarkin blew up Alderaan. Not saying Vader objected, but he was Tarkin's bitch.

Vader was not in command militarily, he was effectively on detached duty. His own statement was (paraphrased) "Yeah, you have a battle station. BFD, the Force is stronger than this." He was fully obedient to the Emperor at this point, who probably said "Tarkin is in charge, back him up if he needs it.". He could have readily killed the guy in the conference room but didn't, because Tarkin said to release him.

How many other people got that kind of mercy? So yeah, Vader's a bad dude at this stage, but he's not actively murdering millions. He kills those who fail him or get in his way.

Luke kiss his sister Wincest

Other way around. Leia kissed Luke, three different occasions. Not that he minded, of course, and one of them was definitely done to spite Han.

Release´day is gonna be a nightmare for be able to download the full game.

This is why it's good to have a distribution torrent, not just sites like NoPY or Mega. Takes a little bit of time to get up to speed, but inside a couple days you get blazing fast transfers.

 

[goldenrule91]

Here you are misreading the situation. Sage knows that no one wants to be at the prep party, but the money they charge is necessary to cover the shortages that Quinn claims exist, claiming that there are many new girls and expenses will increase. Obviously Quinn's ulterior motive is to sell drugs to the preps, but the reason for taking the job is lack of funds.

Appreciate the reply but that wasn't the argument I was making. Ename claims that Sage trusts Quinn and because of that she assumed things are running smoothly. There's absolutely no way Sage can think things are running smoothly unless she's literally only talking to Quinn, ignoring Lily's clucks and the other girls, not talking to the DIKs whose party they bounced on, etc. In other words, the only way that Sage can think things are running smoothly is if she has no idea what's going on in her own sorority. Like, at what point does 'trusting Quinn' become an insufficient excuse for not talking to any of the other HOTs or just using her own two eyes? She was literally at the party that none of her girls were having fun at and Quinn was nowhere in sight. Was Sage hiding in a closet the whole time or something that she couldn't see this Needing money isn't an excuse to make everyone miserable, just run another sexy car wash or something damn, at least the girls appeared to enjoy that. The only thing the party should have proved to Sage is that things were not running smoothly, financially or otherwise. Ignoring that is neglectful, there's nothing about that party that was good for business.

The tradition of tri and hots comes from before Sage and Chad. Remember that in that flashback there were no DIKs yet.
Finally, for a person to be elected vice president in their first year and president for the next 3 years is because they have done something right.

I think it's obvious from that scene that Sage was trying to appease Chad by making the HOTs only party with the Tri's. Whether the tradition existed before is irrelevant, a good leader would have gotten the input of her members before upholding or creating the tradition.

Also we have no idea of the circumstances of how Quinn was elected, Sage could have just appointed her on her own whims for all we know, and I'd argue that given the evidence that's exactly what Sage would do. Are there even elections for leadership in the HOTs? I'm honestly drawing a blank on this.

 

[FAP369ZONE]

Thanks for the kind words. Sadly, I have no idea how well my spreadsheet would work in other programs. I made it using Excel 2007 since that was what I had available; if it's possible to import that format maybe it could run? If not, I can at least give you screenshots of the solution I worked out to finish the mansion by the end of Episode 7. It's somewhere to start.

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On your questions, there are a lot of theories about how best to proceed and I'm not really the expert. I can give you my strategies in brief since it's getting late here.


I don't think the other investments are worth it most of the time. 45% is a lot, but to come out ahead on that $5 you'd need to rank your DIKs up enough to take at least $6 worth of better jobs over the course of the repair, either through higher stats or finishing rooms earlier. I think that's tough given that you need something like 4610% to fully repair the mansion.

That said, the boosts can it can make it a lot easier to get your DIKs to the point where they can solo rooms or work better jobs. So even if it doesn't strictly pay for itself, it may cut down on the times you need to reload a save for better jobs or the time spent planning the best path. If that's worthwhile will depend on your playstyle.


I'd say it depends on what the payout for working is. In the screenshots, you can see I started Rusty, the MC and Derek working $3 jobs early, since it only takes straight 40s to work the "My marriage is falling apart" job, and their work experience will eventually allow them to handle a few other $3 jobs as time goes by. I thought that was a better strategy than trying to mass work jobs later since I was expecting to reload a lot and this way I only needed to wait for the RNG to give me one $3 job at a time. YMMV.


I've heard that too, but I'm not sure why that would be the case. My guess is it's strictly a question of playstyle. If you intend to plan everything out ahead of time, I'd say you're better off spending the XP ASAP. Since you already know where each point is ultimately going there's no difference when you assign the points; might as well get the trivial increase in score for having the extra skills. If, on the other hand, you want flexibility to adapt as the repairs proceed then it makes sense to hoard the points as much as possible and spend them when you know what you want.

Part of the reason I made my tracker was so that I could preemptively assign points where they'd later go, so I favor the "spend like DIKs at the Pink Rose" plan.


My thought was that there's only one job in the game that requires 90 Cleaning; all the other jobs (including the $4 ones) can be done with at most 75 Cleaning. So my plan was to aim for a team of three with 75 Cleaning/90 Build/90 Work and another team of three with 90 Work/90 Salvage. That would give me a shot to work nearly all the best jobs when they came up. The last 3 DIKs would aspire to high skills too, I just didn't expect to have enough points to get there.

In the end, I'm not sure if this will be especially important unless we wind up continuing to work jobs after the mansion is repaired.


Yes, I do that in my solution. Jacob's room takes 250% total to fix, so it's not a bad choice for an early target: enough to justify a 3 man crew but still achievable without dumping all your points into it.

That said, if you hold off, Jacob will eventually start repairing his room on his own at the end of Episode 7. And once you unlock one of his paintings on a playthrough, it's unlocked forever on all the other ones, so you don't necessarily need to rush if you have multiple playthroughs.

It's probably still a terrible idea to wait, but it is technically unique content you can only see by playing with mini-games. Up to you if that's worth anything.
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I've never really tried that approach fully, but I think you have the right idea. You'll need to plan ahead very carefully to get 9 rooms that can be finished simultaneously. I never had the patience to solve that, so I settled for a slightly less aggressive expansion, something like 3/3/4/5/6/5/2. The solution in the screenshots wound up as 3/2/3/4/5/6, but I also worked jobs most of the time.


Hey, I trust all my DIK brothers!

But if we assume, purely hypothetically, that I didn't, I probably would have been tempted to starve the mole... hypothetically. The problem is, as you say, by the time we know who the mole is it's probably too late to get stingy with the XP.

That, and my iron clad trust for my bothers, of course.


You're welcome! Good luck!

Thanks for sharing this info! It puts things in perspective now and makes it easier to finish if you have multiple save paths or just want to experiments with the outcomes .

 

[Melimelo]

Appreciate the reply but that wasn't the argument I was making. Ename claims that Sage trusts Quinn and because of that she assumed things are running smoothly. There's absolutely no way Sage can think things are running smoothly unless she's literally only talking to Quinn, ignoring Lily's clucks and the other girls, not talking to the DIKs whose party they bounced on, etc. In other words, the only way that Sage can think things are running smoothly is if she has no idea what's going on in her own sorority. Like, at what point does 'trusting Quinn' become an insufficient excuse for not talking to any of the other HOTs or just using her own two eyes? She was literally at the party that none of her girls were having fun at and Quinn was nowhere in sight. Was Sage hiding in a closet the whole time or something that she couldn't see this Needing money isn't an excuse to make everyone miserable, just run another sexy car wash or something damn, at least the girls appeared to enjoy that. The only thing the party should have proved to Sage is that things were not running smoothly, financially or otherwise. Ignoring that is neglectful, there's nothing about that party that was good for business.

Just remember that Sage told MC during the party that she switched off her phone because of her father trying to call her, so no rooster check for her.
The only business this deal (preps party) was good for was Quinn's, at least she hoped it would be.
This said, I agree Sage has a major blind spot concerning Quinn and her motives, Sage isn't stupid and save for some plot twist I can't see any reason she would be that blind.
But hey, as for Jill plot that is a "little" too much, I can live with those downside for the sake of enjoying the whole.
Even with those, BaDIK is still the best game I played on this site.