VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[allanl9020142]

You are right. Originally DPC did want the game to be voiced. However, it further complicated game development to the point that he decided to drop it after, IIRC, the first episode. I, for one, don't miss it. Voice acting for this kind of content is the kind of thing that has to be done superbly or should not be done at all, in my opinion. Anything less than top-of-the-line professional voice actors just ruin the experience, at least for me.

Oh no, I agree with you completely. I'm glad he scrapped it. I just never knew whether he decided to scrap it or because the voice actors backed out. I was just wondering if anyone still had that version just for the sake of seeing it again.
It's just that I had randomly remembered there being voice overs at one point and was wondering whatever happened to it.

 

[allanl9020142]

The sliding puzzle is close to impossible for me as well, but with the Triple Tile I think I just get stuck in my head or something. I've gotten into the 30s, so I know what I'm doing, but I lose whatever patience I have and just start making dumb mistakes.

Oh just get the first row lined up then the rest is more manageable. I had trouble with it at first too. Something about it not being physically in my hands is what threw me off.

 

[allanl9020142]

Yes he lost some time with those things and Covid. This episode is likely to take him 6 to 12 weeks longers that episode 8. Which was already 7 weeks longer than episode 7 and 6 weeks longer than episode 6. I'm not giving to much extra time allowance to mini games and stuff since he has added new content like this fairly regularly over the years.

That said, you're right animations are a tricky thing to judge, but 'still renders' are a good indication. The last confirmed update was for week 27 with 3569 completed. The same week for epsiode 8 he had 4130 and episode 7 had released with 3723 4 weeks earlier.

As i've talked about in the past his production averages are way down. 16 fewer stills a week and 5.8 fewer animtions. Over 27 weeks of production (last confrimed numbers) he is 432 'stills' down on episode 8 and 157 animations. Yes animations are hard to judge, but even if some are much longer than normal i still think this is a bit behind.

So to summarize, the longer-than-expected development time can be attributed to:

• the music needing to be removed from the game
• covid
• itch.io thing
• the animations/renders taking longer to render which is still being debated about whether that made a difference (personally, I think it's up in the air since we haven't really seen improved numbers since the "longest animation yet")

I'm just trying to get the facts straight because I just have a feeling that episodes being released once a year isn't going to be the future trend and think it had more to do with unexpected circumstances.
There's one last thing but I can't remember it too well and I'm not sure if it's just something he always did during development or whether it affected things at all. Something about getting Steam and other platforms ready for Season 3 which I always thought he did in post-production after it'd been released on Patreon. Not releasing the GAME but taking care of whatever needs to be done so it CAN be released on Steam, etc. as well. I thought he would usually do both of those things (getting things ready for Steam, etc and then releasing the game on those platforms) after the release on Patreon.
I know I'm not making much sense. I'm just not familiar with how that goes and can only vaguely remember what one of his weekly updates said about it a couple of months ago.

 

[SomboSteel]

So to summarize, the longer-than-expected development time can be attributed to:

• the music needing to be removed from the game
• covid
• itch.io thing
• the animations/renders taking longer to render which is still being debated about whether that made a difference (personally, I think it's up in the air since we haven't really seen improved numbers since the "longest animation yet")

I'm just trying to get the facts straight because I just have a feeling that episodes being released once a year isn't going to be the future trend and think it had more to do with unexpected circumstances.
There's one last thing but I can't remember it too well and I'm not sure if it's just something he always did during development or whether it affected things at all. Something about getting Steam and other platforms ready for Season 3 which I always thought he did in post-production after it'd been released on Patreon. Not releasing the GAME but taking care of whatever needs to be done so it CAN be released on Steam, etc. as well. I thought he would usually do both of those things (getting things ready for Steam, etc and then releasing the game on those platforms) after the release on Patreon.
I know I'm not making much sense. I'm just not familiar with how that goes and can only vaguely remember what one of his weekly updates said about it a couple of months ago.

im of the belief that the "one release per calendar year" is going to be the norm. my reasoning for that belief is that he has made every episode bigger than the one that came before. if he continues to do all the work solo, there wont be any time for him to save anywhere in the production process. his creative ambitions can only be stopped by the workload bottleneck that he creates for himself.

also he makes more money the longer this game takes to finish, this is common knowledge to all of us and DPC himself. he has no reason to speed this gravy train along any faster, and he produces work of a high enough quality that he wont seriously be considered to be milking it from his patrons.

 

[Oliver Wendell Homely]

I saw a bunch of people saying that Dr.Pinkcake should add this or that kink and whatnot and this remind me a little bit of Foot of the Mountains, where the dev tried to add everything that people wanted and the game went to shit. I mean, this game is more story driven with focus on romance (and that's one of the reasons why this thread have 10124 pages at the moment and a lot of patreons) and if some kinks wouldn't fit in the game, then so be it. This way the sex scenes won't feel forced. At the end of the day the dev should stay true to his original idea because that's how the game will make more sense to the player.

I think it would be weird (and even unsettling) if DPC suddenly started adding extreme kinks, like lolis or beastiality. I just never thought of MMF threesomes as extreme. I mean, they're all over mainstream porn and seem plenty popular. I don't understand why some are acting like MMF is the same as scat or necro porn.

FOTM went to shit, in my view, because advancing the story requires endless repetition and events are so random that playing without a walkthrough is virtually impossible. But the lewd scenes and scenarios were quite hot and I think the relationship between Daniel and Aunt Melissa is one for the ages.

 

[ename144]

so why when i decided to fight Tommy I got a DIK affinity when i made 6 Dik Choices (including to fight Tommy) and 4 chick choices? is it because I made like 4 DIK choices in a row?

DIK or CHICK Affinity (not Status) is temporarily set when you have made 2 or more choices of one type than the other; a difference of 1 or less results in Neutral Affinity. Making 6 DIK and 4 CHICK choices would switch your Affinity to DIK, which seems to be what you're describing. If your next choice was CHICK (giving you 6 DIK and 5 CHICK), the difference would be only 1 and your Affinity would change to Neutral. Make another 3 CHICK choices and your Affinity would become CHICK.

Or at least it would temporarily. There's also permanent Affinities which work differently. You gain permanent DIK or CHICK Affinity if you remove all the boxes on the other side of the meter. That requires a total of 11 choices of one type - e.g. you'd gain permanent DIK Affinity if you made 11 DIK choices, regardless of how many CHICK choices you made (and vice versa). The catch is that there are only 15 Major Decisions in the game, so it's impossible to make 11 choices of one type as soon as you've made 5 choices of each type. In that case your Affinity will be permanently set to Neutral... but only once you've made the 15 choice (deciding whether to cheat on the mid-terms in Episode 8).

So in your example fighting Tommy changes your Affinity to DIK because you only had 4 CHICK choices, a difference of 2. If you make another 5 DIK choices you'd gain permanent DIK Affinity on the 15th Major Decision. But if you make a single additional CHICK choice you will be committed to permanent Neutral Affinity near the end of Episode 8 (your temporary Affinity at any given time before that would depend on the ratio of choices at that time).

Hopefully that helps; I know it's a bit of a headache to keep straight.

Quick question: I used to jump on once a week or so and search for anything posted by N7 to get the latest updates, but they haven't posted in a while and I know there have been other updates and previews. Is there a key forum figure that I should be looking up instead these days? Thanks brothers.

There's been too much variability lately to make a simple rule of thumb; better just to go through the posts on Friday until you find the update. You can try searching my posts on Fridays since I will post some charts and include a link to the update post, but I only do that if there's something to chart and DPC frequently avoids numbers in his updates.

Yes he lost some time with those things and Covid. This episode is likely to take him 6 to 12 weeks longers that episode 8. Which was already 7 weeks longer than episode 7 and 6 weeks longer than episode 6. I'm not giving to much extra time allowance to mini games and stuff since he has added new content like this fairly regularly over the years.

That said, you're right animations are a tricky thing to judge, but 'still renders' are a good indication. The last confirmed update was for week 27 with 3569 completed. The same week for epsiode 8 he had 4130 and episode 7 had released with 3723 4 weeks earlier.

As i've talked about in the past his production averages are way down. 16 fewer stills a week and 5.8 fewer animtions. Over 27 weeks of production (last confrimed numbers) he is 432 'stills' down on episode 8 and 157 animations. Yes animations are hard to judge, but even if some are much longer than normal i still think this is a bit behind.

I agree that DPC's development seems slower, but I don't think Statics are a reliable way to verify that because we know DPC can render them nearly as fast as he can pose them. That makes their render rate too variable to use as a proper metric; all it tells us is that DPC is spending his time on something other than posing statics. We don't know if he's posing inordinately complicated/lengthy animations, coding new features/mini-games, planning his next marketing release, or what have you. It's basically the same problem we have using animations as a consistent metric, just one step removed.

So to summarize, the longer-than-expected development time can be attributed to:

• the music needing to be removed from the game
• covid
• itch.io thing
• the animations/renders taking longer to render which is still being debated about whether that made a difference (personally, I think it's up in the air since we haven't really seen improved numbers since the "longest animation yet")

I'm just trying to get the facts straight because I just have a feeling that episodes being released once a year isn't going to be the future trend and think it had more to do with unexpected circumstances.
There's one last thing but I can't remember it too well and I'm not sure if it's just something he always did during development or whether it affected things at all. Something about getting Steam and other platforms ready for Season 3 which I always thought he did in post-production after it'd been released on Patreon. Not releasing the GAME but taking care of whatever needs to be done so it CAN be released on Steam, etc. as well. I thought he would usually do both of those things (getting things ready for Steam, etc and then releasing the game on those platforms) after the release on Patreon.
I know I'm not making much sense. I'm just not familiar with how that goes and can only vaguely remember what one of his weekly updates said about it a couple of months ago.

Eh, I think SomboSteel had the right idea. Until DPC demonstrates he's willing to cut ideas to keep the updates a manageable size, the best prediction is to take the time for the last update and add 15-30% to it (not counting the Interlude). Every now and then you might be pleasantly surprised, the rest of the time you'll be in the ballpark.

 

[dalli_x]

Tommy is definitely not very "academically" intelligent, let alone emotionally intelligent. But his street-smartness cannot be denied, though this advantage is often offset by the fact that he can't control his emotions and impulses for shit.

His street smarts can't be that good either if the only other person he can go to is Vinnie.

First of all, I wrote if, when Tommy is smart. That actually implies so he isn't.

CoalPhelps is right. He must have a certain street-smartness, though, because Tommy somehow cheated his way into college.

Ilhares street smarts has nothing to do with who he can go to to buy his drugs. We learn in EP8 so Tommy asked several contacts and only Vinny remained. I think the reason for that is more so those contacts don't want to have anything to do with Tommy anymore. This can have different reasons. For example, maybe he still has debts to these people or these people don't want to have anything to do with Tommy anymore because he is just unsympathetic or Tommy has done something unacceptable.

Tommy is good at blaming others. He lies and cheats. The best example is the work in the Pink Rose. In EP6 or EP7, before working at the Pink Rose, Leon asks Tommy if they could have some fun there. Tommy answers so Leon doesn't have to worry about that and everything is settled. This already smells like a bad deal. I wouldn't be surprised if Tommy stole money from the Pink Rose. Haven't you noticed so that when the MC in the Pink Rose represents Tommy, no other DIK is there. The MC cleans up on his own. Very strange isn't it?

Just as strange is so the MC can collect money in Tommy's premises in the last Freeroam event of EP8. Strange because Tommy is waiting for Vinny to buy drugs at that time. Did Tommy forget his money? Tommy is not at the Mansion and if the money disappears, he can deny ever embezzling money and blame it on the MC. How? With the help of Tania.

Tania offers her services in Tommy's room. The money she gets for her service she left with the whiskey and cigarettes. When the MC takes the money, it can't have been Tommy because he is not in the Mansion. Tania then tells the madame and the shit hits the fan. If the MC doesn't take the money, the suspicion sticks with Tommy. Tania keeps the money for her service and Tommy comes back to the Mansion with drugs. Tania tells this and the madame puts 1 and 1 together. Tommy could be in serious trouble for messing with the underworld.

 

[Trojaner]

This takes time and is not done in 5 minutes.

Hmmm, also that just means that he is clearly not working fast enough.

 

[CoalPhelps]

His street smarts can't be that good either if the only other person he can go to is Vinnie.

I think the reason for that is more so those contacts don't want to have anything to do with Tommy anymore. This can have different reasons. For example, maybe he still has debts to these people or these people don't want to have anything to do with Tommy anymore because he is just unsympathetic or Tommy has done something unacceptable.

My thoughts exactly. Tommy's problem with suppliers is not that he doesn't know how to find them, but that he is considered an unreliable partner He interferes with personal affairs and emotions in business, which puts them at risk, which of course no one likes.

 

[DrSoong]

Quinn's facial expression looks relatively concentrated, she is thinking. It seems to be a more serious text message.

- She's organizing the Alphas' distraction for Halloween.
- She chats with Vinny because he learned from Tommy that Quinn is now taking care of the Pink Rose Girls
- Zoey sent Quinn a message that she's back from San Diego.
- Sage found out about the restaurant and confronts Quinn about it

Those were 4 quick ideas from me. I hope I didn't disappoint you.

I'm disappointed, only four ideas and all of them are quite normal, maybe it was the late night.

 

[Kassandara]

- Zoey sent Quinn a message that she's back from San Diego.

Wait am I missing something? Do they know each other or wth?

 

[dalli_x]

Wait am I missing something? Do they know each other or wth?

No idea. But I once wrote a theory that makes this possible.

 

[FappingWorldwide]

No idea. But I once wrote a theory that makes this possible.

Source: Trust me bro.

 

[felicemastronzo]

Source: Trust me bro.

"I have theories

Do you wanna try some?"

 

[DrSoong]

No idea. But I once wrote a theory that makes this possible.

If dalli_x will sometimes start an own AVN it will be sure the most successful one on Patreon, using all his theories will make your brain melt like using drugs while playing. But i'm afraid it would be stopped by the CIA cause they want to use it for their own good treating their prisoners ("if you don't confess, you have to play another chapter").

 

[always86]

So to summarize, the longer-than-expected development time can be attributed to:

• the music needing to be removed from the game
• covid
• itch.io thing
• the animations/renders taking longer to render which is still being debated about whether that made a difference (personally, I think it's up in the air since we haven't really seen improved numbers since the "longest animation yet")

I'm just trying to get the facts straight because I just have a feeling that episodes being released once a year isn't going to be the future trend and think it had more to do with unexpected circumstances.
There's one last thing but I can't remember it too well and I'm not sure if it's just something he always did during development or whether it affected things at all. Something about getting Steam and other platforms ready for Season 3 which I always thought he did in post-production after it'd been released on Patreon. Not releasing the GAME but taking care of whatever needs to be done so it CAN be released on Steam, etc. as well. I thought he would usually do both of those things (getting things ready for Steam, etc and then releasing the game on those platforms) after the release on Patreon.
I know I'm not making much sense. I'm just not familiar with how that goes and can only vaguely remember what one of his weekly updates said about it a couple of months ago.

Yes, the Steam (and other platform) release will have contributed to their only being one major update in a year. After he completes a season of 4 episodes he does the other platform releases. This takes some extra work as the Steam release apparently needs some extra programming. He also did interlude, as a small story release it didn’t have nearly as much content as a full episode and it didn’t come out until March 4th I think (may have been the week before I forget). Steam was released Jan 6th, episode 8 had come out on November 19th. I think he was working on Interlude at the same time as Steam. Either way those two thing slowed things down.

 

[Ottoeight]

We will see, of course. Elena's flirting (if that's the right word for it) seems to have escalated and JB clearly enjoys showing her off. He also said they had a threesome with Arieth. I suspect they have had other threesomes, too.

I don't get the NTR freakout, as it strikes me as incel mentality, but to each his own. It's just that Elena is clearly JB's girl. Seeing her naked and flirting with her doesn't change that. If she and JB invite us to join them for a threesome, we can choose to do it or not. I have no interest in crossing swords with JB, let alone seeing his O face, but Elena is cute and I feel like they would appreciate the MC's involvement. Exhibitionism and public sex are clearly kinks they share. Time will tell how far that goes.

Why not. For people who are into it why not? If its an optional path. Really i would really like if there was NTR and Bestiality path but you not be forced to play it. The game would still be the same for you based on what dialogue you picked.

Almost everyone one im sorry but the point still stands. Adding MMF threesome to the game would just improve it. Really people who dont want NTR/MMF in the game have no really good arguments why.

Josy tells Maya that she thinks that almost every HOT has had threesomes.

We've already witnessed at 2 MMF threesomes: Derek-Jacob-Arieth and Jamie-Leon-Arieth... well, Arieth is Arieth, though.

Yes, the Steam (and other platform) release will have contributed to their only being one major update in a year. After he completes a season of 4 episodes he does the other platform releases. This takes some extra work as the Steam release apparently needs some extra programming. He also did interlude, as a small story release it didn’t have nearly as much content as a full episode and it didn’t come out until March 4th I think (may have been the week before I forget). Steam was released Jan 6th, episode 8 had come out on November 19th. I think he was working on Interlude at the same time as Steam. Either way those two thing slowed things down.

Yes, he was. I'd add that he said that he started working on episode 9 while he was working on the Interlude, anyway.

The point is that episodes get bigger and bigger and bigger because he keeps adding stuff (sometimes unnecessary stuff) - and I honestly think that this isn't good.

 

[mightybored]

Oh just get the first row lined up then the rest is more manageable. I had trouble with it at first too. Something about it not being physically in my hands is what threw me off.

I bought all the cheats, I'm good. Thanks though.

 

[slackster]

Sadly I don´t think there is zero chance of DPC pissing off most of the players, since he has done that in Acting Lessons and in BADIK. That´s the main reason I play this game pirated and not buy it in GOG or something. There are things that I love of this game (several characters, the music, some scenes...) and other things I don´t like at all, and I don´t trust in DPC. I play every scene thinking "let´s see what kind of trap is setting this guy here to the player, or what character is going to ruin now".

Yeah, several characters are whores, and that invalides them to something more than fucking. The story of "Quinn´s restaurant" seems far fetched to me, I don´t like it at all, and it´s stupid that she offers her "services" to the MC, and if the MC don´t accept, he just ignores it and doesn´t mention it any more... It doesn´t make any sense. Quinn and the others could just deal with weed and other drugs and the story would be more realistic and probably the same. I´m sure there would be another way of involving Bourke in the plot with Quinn. Lily asking money to the MC in the party of the preps for fucking is the best way to crap in a great character. In general, that thing of some characters being whores without a good reason is not something well writing, IMO.

A girl that says to his straight boyfriend "I want to be with another guy" literally is telling that guy that he´s not enough for her, at least at bed. If you and your friends here that gives you the "likes" are OK with that, it´s OK. But being a "vanilla baby" (it´s an insulting term, I just don´t care about what you and your friends think about me) I would not like an scene of the MC wanking off like a monkey while Tommy fucks Sage, for example. Again, if that´s what turns on you and your friends, great for you and them. The scene of Sage, Quinn and the MC is different because Sage apparently gets turned on by fucking with a girl too, and enjoys playing with Quinn the same way the MC. But, if suddenly DPC makes Sage a lesbian like Maya and the MC is forced to share her with Quinn or something, again, I hope he adds the option of "forgetting about Sage for good". Actually, for me, it would be "forgetting about BADIK for good".

A fantasy is nothing if its just something to think about when masturbates. If someone wants to actually make true a fantasy, then that´s something. And can be something that, in real life, destroys a relationship. In a game, I just don´t want to see contents that I don´t like, and I don´t like more cocks that necessaries if I play as a male character, and I don´t like to play as character that is a cuck or a loser in any form. That´s not funny, it´s not my kink and I think most of the people think like me. "Vanilla babies" for you, "open minded chad", or whatever you think you are.

About Bella, the one that could be mad would be Bella´s husband. Apparently his wife right now prefers a 19 years old student to him. And Jill is not a gobling, just a boring character.

I have never been in a relationship more than 10 years- the post

 

[znar25]

I get that this is a romance game but there is no reason not to add a SCAT path for people who want it. Everyone would like to see Sage poop on the MC or Zoey scat with Josy.

Hey buddy.... just letting you know you wrote what you were actually thinking....