VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[Geralt From Rivia]

You know what, after some careful thought and saw how triggered some fanboys became, may be Lazy was not really the right word. MILKER is probably the proper word for him Now. I gave him to much credit , and assumed he just simply lazy, but in reality, he entered to the Milker road a long time ago we were just refusing to admit it.
Now, he is just all about milking that sweet patreon money for his retirment.
May Be DavDR was right all along, yeah, if I own somone to an appology that's him

How can you call him lazy or a milker? Chip, I'm trying to understand your logic, but I can't. Update sizes are growing, and this is inevitable. In a branching story, the number of paths grows as you develop, and nothing can be done about it. DPC is a perfectionist fanatic who is obsessed with his game and tries to get the most out of it. Have you seen the quality of the visuals in the Ep9 preview? This begs the question why it's taking so long. He constantly tries to surpass his previous work and raises the bar of quality.
I agree with you that some content is useless. For example, this idiotic D&G and Madame Rose. Okay, let's assume they don't. How much time does this save in total from those 3.5 years of development? A month, no more. Drop in the ocean.
And what do you suggest? Cut what to get faster releases? Can kill one of the LIs? Cut out some side girls? The audience won't accept it.
Cut out Zoey? This is also impossible, Zoe yis a plot twist in the middle of the work, such moves are always present in good plots. If it weren't for Zoey, it would have been an alive Lynette or something.
Maybe cut the graphics back to the level of the first season to render faster? Then the game will not look like a AAA project and will look like another VN, of which there are thousands.
I also don't like that the game is being developed for a long time, but nothing can be done about it and baseless accusations of milking and laziness do not change anything. Take a chill pill. I won't facepalm you just because I don't agree with you, try to look at the situation from a kind of logic. You are on emotions right now.

 

[DrSoong]

Seems to me, CL is missing some pals here, especially AC to whom he is complaining about that blue haired delay (called Interlude).

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

There are a bunch of ways to optimize development. As I said earlier, development is primarily about optimization and compromise. A compromise between what needs to be added and what you want to add. If there was no compromise, the games would be released once every 10 years. Offhand, it was possible not to render a dubious animation in a minute long for a whole month (we would have saved a month of development). I don't think the difference will be that strong. Or it is not necessary to make the free-roams so large or make them 5-6 pieces as in the last update.

For example, I like free roams. This gives the feeling that I'm playing a serious game, rather than point and click to scroll through the pictures. I feel more immersed in the world. I also like mini-games (not all of them). You need to be careful when cutting content, because it will always cause dissatisfaction.
The problem I see is this: one person creates AAA game. By oneself. He needs an assistant, for example, a person who will draw and render some of the animations. This will be good optimization.
But the DPC is unlikely to want it, he is a control freak dictator and wants to do everything himself.
And I think it's too early to talk about that huge animation. We need to see her in Episode 9 and then we can conclude.

 

[TuffyTenToes]

You can cut the sexual tension on here with a knife.

 

[Winchester Quincy]

Hey guys, can anyone upload all the previews and special previews please?

 

[DajjalSaint]

Why u guys fighting about long time update in this forum? Pretty sure dpc won't see it
Why not join patreon for 1$ in a month and critize dpc in his discord? It's more effective that way right

 

[BorgiaBou]

Why u guys fighting about long time update in this forum? Pretty sure dpc won't see it
Why not join patreon for 1$ in a month and critize dpc in his discord? It's more effective that way right

Dude you new here, just try that on his ivory tower place i mean discord and you'll get your ass banned in a second...

 

[mpa71]

It was a time we had the Hell Week cut in two episodes, now it seems DPC got stuck doing that Halloween Party in a single episode, when it could had been in two parts too.

 

[felicemastronzo]

Why u guys fighting about long time update in this forum? Pretty sure dpc won't see it
Why not join patreon for 1$ in a month and critize dpc in his discord? It's more effective that way right

this is a forum and therefore we chat. What would be useful and productive comments?

In the official Walkthrouht, I just read this.

"If you aren’t on Isabella’s branch, enjoy the resolution of Jill’s third date with Tybalt."

I guess this will be the reason for Jill not to give the MC a chance after the third date with Tybalt. Someone wrote it before in this thread, I think it was Warscared, so the way to a woman can also be through that woman's girlfriend. So if Isabella doesn't like the MC, Jill will dump the MC.

The same thing actually happens with Tybalt.

I don't know what DPC meant in the walthrough but Bella had nothing to do with the outcome of the third date

if you end up choosing Jill anyway it's all good (for now), it's only affinity and the famous picnic that makes the difference, then anything goes

 

[Gunizz]

There are a bunch of ways to optimize development. As I said earlier, development is primarily about optimization and compromise. A compromise between what needs to be added and what you want to add. If there was no compromise, the games would be released once every 10 years. Offhand, it was possible not to render a dubious animation in a minute long for a whole month (we would have saved a month of development). I don't think the difference will be that strong. Or it is not necessary to make the free-roams so large or make them 5-6 pieces as in the last update.

I think DPC is good at making compromises, that's why he has achieved more than a million euro with his game. His success testimonies his ability with dosing speed and quality.
Some people here say he is a perfectionist, but that's really far from truth. He's no perfectionists at all, he's quite good at cutting down quality when needed. He has a clear vision and schedule. Most of his renderings have some posing errors, or are not that accurate, but he doesn't waste time perfecting them because he knows people view a single rendering for two seconds or less. And so he can maximise quantity, producing so much content. He doesn't post produce renderings in Photoshop like perfectionists do, it would take him years for each release.
Spending less time in posing lets him have more time for other tasks like minigames, free roam, rooster app etc.
There are many devs that achieve a much better image quality, but they produce much fewer images and their games are less engaging. They are more artistic, but they are less professional. DPC is a savy entrepreneur, an excellent business man, not a perfectionist artist.

 

[schinoize]

Watch where you going, guys. It’s getting slippery in here.

 

[Sheet420]

It would be so great to have another thread only for oficial updates and news, and not to have to dive into a pile of stupidities and bad jokes in order of getting information about this game

Facts. This thread is a degenerate mess. Just let N7 post the news so we don't have to sit through pages of drivel just to find the updates. Thanks.

 

[Ilhares]

Yea the "slow as a turtle sex scenes" were always something that just seemed kind of unimpressive but I would always forget about.

I find it funny that (some) people will harp on that point, when it's just the way the MC has sex. it's not a mystery, Quinn even calls him out for it when he's fucking her on the rooftop. DPC knows, it's not accidental. When you're packing like he is, slower is always safer when you're breaking in a new partner.

In the official Walkthrouht, I just read this.

"If you aren’t on Isabella’s branch, enjoy the resolution of Jill’s third date with Tybalt."

I guess this will be the reason for Jill not to give the MC a chance after the third date with Tybalt. Someone wrote it before in this thread, I think it was Warscared, so the way to a woman can also be through that woman's girlfriend. So if Isabella doesn't like the MC, Jill will dump the MC.

The same thing actually happens with Tybalt.

No. Jill will dump the MC, regardless of his relationship with Bella, if he's a DIK. You can still be a major DIK and be with Isabella. You can be on great terms with her and Jill with dump you. Just like she does if you decided to take care of Sage during her illness, even if you're a major chick AND everybody loves you. Jill kicks you to the curb.

Jill lives in her own fairy princess mentality where she can do no wrong, and she believes in stupid shit like destiny and magical portents of the future. Calling her Naive only scratches the surface of Jill's character faults.

If your goal is to reach Jill's sex scene, there are really only two things you have to make sure you do. Don't be a DIK, and don't take care of Sage. (I suppose you could argue the 3rd is "don't fuck Bella", but that's already assumed here)

 

[ffive]

Jill lives in her own fairy princess mentality where she can do no wrong

Evidently not true; she explicitly tells the MC she recognizes she's stubborn and it's not a great quality to have, and she acknowledges responsibility for whatever went between her and Isabella.

 

[Ilhares]

Evidently not true; she explicitly tells the MC she recognizes she's stubborn and it's not a great quality to have, and she acknowledges responsibility for whatever went between her and Isabella.

But she never extends that same understanding to her relationship with the MC. She even acknowledges, to Bella, that she fucked up and 'wants to fix it', but never once acknowledges to the MC that she should stay the fuck out of his business when he's told her to.

She does not treat him as someone who is allowed to live his own life, she acts like she knows better than he does, regardless of his desires.

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

If we talking about Jill again...I'm wondering if anyone noticed Jill's strange and atypical behavior in the prologue of Episode 5? The moment she meets Rusty.
What do we know about Jill from the main plot? She is a very mannered, shy and modest girl. Jill has such good manners that she is afraid to quarrel with someone and it's just embarrassing for her to say no. She couldn’t even respond normally to Tybalt’s harassment until the end of Episode 8. Although at these moments it’s noticeable how uncomfortable his courtship is for her, especially in the second season. Or she will not say anything to the MC who behaves like a pig, for example, peeps at her panties. She is silent, although the MC receives -1RP Jill. This is the Jill we know.
But here's what we see when Jill meeting Rusty:
Oh, another rich boy hitting on me


When Jill finds out who Rusty is, she releases her best line in the whole game:

That smug face when Jill fried Rusty and leaves is pure gold


It's also worth mentioning her response when Rusty mentioned Romeo and Juliet:
"Haha, if you think that, you should read that book again"

And it's all very strange. And it doesn't fit with everything we know about Jill and what Bianca said about how she "pulled Jill out of the shell", which is to say, hinting that she was even more shy. What's going on here? Jill in her first year of college is a rather bold, open and charismatic girl who easily turns off an annoying guy who tring to charm her. I would say that in the prologue, she carries herself like a confident aristocrat, and not a tower princess, isolated from the world. Which we know from the main scenario.

I'm a little confused. Maybe Jill was broken after she got into B&R? Maybe the tragedy with Lana happened not so long ago? Who has theories? Is this just a DPC plot error, or could the event that changed Jill actually happen in the last two years?

 

[ffive]

But she never extends that same understanding to her relationship with the MC. She even acknowledges, to Bella, that she fucked up and 'wants to fix it', but never once acknowledges to the MC that she should stay the fuck out of his business when he's told her to.

But given the outcome of the event in question she actually did know better than MC in that particular case. And honestly, the "she should stay the fuck out of MC's business because i tooooooold her so" holds little water when the MC constantly gets in everyone's business and it never triggers any self-reflection in the players controlling him. He gets to be on receiving end of it for once, no need to get all snowflake about it like it's some kind of end of the world and relationship breaker, that someone dared to display some agency rather than act like mere background for power fantasies, and did something you didn't want them to. (Quinn says "hi")

She does not treat him as someone who is allowed to live his own life, she acts like she knows better than he does, regardless of his desires.

Let's also not forget she's actually older than MC. It's pretty natural in such situation to presume the leading role, especially when you've had lot of first-hand experience with subject at hand, as it's apparently the case with Jill and bullying.

 

[felicemastronzo]

But given the outcome of the event in question she actually did know better than MC in that particular case. And honestly, the "she should stay the fuck out of MC's business because i tooooooold her so" holds little water when the MC constantly gets in everyone's business and it never triggers any self-reflection in the players controlling him. He gets to be on receiving end of it for once, no need to get all snowflake about it like it's some kind of end of the world and relationship breaker, that someone dared to display some agency rather than act like mere background for power fantasies, and did something you didn't want them to. (Quinn says "hi")


Let's also not forget she's actually older than MC. It's pretty natural in such situation to presume the leading role, especially when you've had lot of first-hand experience with subject at hand, as it's apparently the case with Jill and bullying.

2 years age difference does not give you any right to choose for another, maybe only if you are less than 10 years old

on what occasion would MC get involved in an affair he was told to stay away from? maybe with Quinn?

 

[Redd23]

If we talking about Jill again...I'm wondering if anyone noticed Jill's strange and atypical behavior in the prologue of Episode 5? The moment she meets Rusty.
What do we know about Jill from the main plot? She is a very mannered, shy and modest girl. Jill has such good manners that she is afraid to quarrel with someone and it's just embarrassing for her to say no. She couldn’t even respond normally to Tybalt’s harassment until the end of Episode 8. Although at these moments it’s noticeable how uncomfortable his courtship is for her, especially in the second season. Or she will not say anything to the MC who behaves like a pig, for example, peeps at her panties. She is silent, although the MC receives -1RP Jill. This is the Jill we know.
But here's what we see when Jill meeting Rusty:
Oh, another rich boy hitting on me
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When Jill finds out who Rusty is, she releases her best line in the whole game:
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That smug face when Jill fried Rusty and leaves is pure gold
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It's also worth mentioning her response when Rusty mentioned Romeo and Juliet:
"Haha, if you think that, you should read that book again"

And it's all very strange. And it doesn't fit with everything we know about Jill and what Bianca said about how she "pulled Jill out of the shell", which is to say, hinting that she was even more shy. What's going on here? Jill in her first year of college is a rather bold, open and charismatic girl who easily turns off an annoying guy who tring to charm her. I would say that in the prologue, she carries herself like a confident aristocrat, and not a tower princess, isolated from the world. Which we know from the main scenario.

I'm a little confused. Maybe Jill was broken after she got into B&R? Maybe the tragedy with Lana happened not so long ago? Who has theories? Is this just a DPC plot error, or could the event that changed Jill actually happen in the last two years?

My guess would be that DPC simply created this scene and didn't care that it doesn't line up in 100% with "current Jill". I mean it didn't bothered me until you pointed that out (and tbh it kinda still doesn't bother me ), I just simply thought "cool comeback, nice way to present a difference between "classy" Jill and "goofy/DIK" Rusty". But yup, you're right it doesn't sound like usual Jill who's horrified she accidentaly offended random character #3

 

[crouch]

when?