StultusAnglicus

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Have you ever heard about prospective customers? And can you realize that a business with your mindset would go bankrupt in the long run because it will have less and less customers over time, with only boot-licking-centered customers left? And I'm not even talking about disgruntled former customers yet ... Yeah... Because former customers have the right to be disgruntled about businesses that didn't meet their expectations or even treated them badly... That's how life works...
I'm no even a patron :LOL: I personally think Patreon overall is a dumb system for game development, and I'm a 'buy a product for a fixed fee' kind of person. Patrons support devs already know WHAT they're paying for; to get the game developed in the first place. To imagine that they get to dictate how and when it is developed is a mistake, you're not buying shares in DPC games.

Make a good product, I'll buy it. I have in the past purchased numerous games that I HAD pirated first, upon deciding its a great game I buy it to support the dev. It's that simple.

Therefore I am FULLY aware I can't say SHIT about production time. But I can critique the final product that I paid for.
 

Darkwen

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as usual, it all comes down to what people on this forum consider NTR, and what actual NTR is in these kinds of games and in real life adult scenarios.

i am not into actual NTR, but i would appreciate realistic adult relationships portrayed in this game. Since none of the girls are canonically with the MC, any of them having sex with other people is not NTR. Bella can fuck her husband, Sage can fuck Chad, the restaurant girls can fuck paying customers, etc, etc. People who are opposed to that definitely have some problems, cause guess what? In real life, women that you are into but not yet in a relationship with do in fact have sex with other people. Thats reality for ya.
That I agree with, and that happens with the side girls in the game and maybe LI too. Sage even tells MC come find me with you ever chance your mind if but won't wait long if your not on her path. Now Sage does tell Chad she cheated on him even not her path. If you turned down a LI or side girl its ok for them to fuck thats not NTR its just living that said I just don't want to see it.
 
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iowaboy1844

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In Episode 7? I think you have to not talk to Lily and just go straight to Sage. Can't remember if anything else affects it but I remember that being the main thing.
I think you can start to talk with Lily, but don't kiss her to start a scene with her. That's what prevents you from seeing the second part of Sage's scene at the party in Episode 7 if I remember correctly.
 

allanl9020142

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I think you can start to talk with Lily, but don't kiss her to start a scene with her. That's what prevents you from seeing the second part of Sage's scene at the party in Episode 7 if I remember correctly.
Yea ... but if I can't do both then might I as well save myself some time and skip her altogether, you know?:cry:
 

shazba

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How can I get the second scene with Sage at the party?
In Episode 7? I think you have to not talk to Lily and just go straight to Sage. Can't remember if anything else affects it but I remember that being the main thing.
I think you can start to talk with Lily, but don't kiss her to start a scene with her. That's what prevents you from seeing the second part of Sage's scene at the party in Episode 7 if I remember correctly.
Yea ... but if I can't do both then might I as well save myself some time and skip her altogether, you know?:cry:
The complete answer is go fuck Sage before you fuck Lily, Riona and/or Cammy and before you get a blow job from Becky.

You'll get the full sex scene with Sage plus she'll rate you "a very good 3 out of 5".

If you blow your load into any other girl first, for some reason the mc cums faster when fucking Sage and you only get half the scene (you don't make it back into her room), and she annihilates you with a dreadful 2 out of 5 rating! :eek:

You can go back and fuck with everyone but Lily after Sage.
 
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shazba

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Guys, what's the best way to get through the game? Flirt with all the girls or focus on one?
Ultimately you'll have to choose a girl (by episode 8), but you can flirt with all of them up until that point.

There are some risks though, certain actions will eventually potentially lock out certain characters (we're only half way through, so not sure if this is a permanent lockout or just a bump in the road).

And even if it may result in a crash and burn, trying to fuck everything that moves is a lot of fun. :sneaky:

The game is quite enjoyable and is easily replayed with a different purpose. So first time around, just do you. (y)
 
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But isn't he sitting around and waiting to release an update? He said he would polish and playtest, but that does not take the 4-5 weeks that he claims the remaining animations will need.

Yes it makes sense for him to take his time to generate more income, its still a shitty thing to do.

And yes, he is not ICSTOR, but ICSTOR also started increasing times between updates before becoming the full time milker he is today.

I really doubt he's just sitting around. He's the highest paid AVN maker in the world. By a LOT. He's got more money than he knows what to do with. Another month doesn't make any difference in terms of money he makes, but for an artist obsessed with creating their vision, taking the time to complete their story is sometimes necessary.

Just be patient.
 

test7777

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I really doubt he's just sitting around. He's the highest paid AVN maker in the world. By a LOT. He's got more money than he knows what to do with. Another month doesn't make any difference in terms of money he makes, but for an artist obsessed with creating their vision, taking the time to complete their story is sometimes necessary.

Just be patient.
But then why not buy more hardware, if he realizes that the render queue takes so long and he has more than enough money to speed up that part so he can focus on the rest of his "vision"? And if he was so obsessed with his vision and taking his time to complete it, why are there so many renders in the game that just straight up look like he never looked at them after putting them in the render queue?

Also he is only No. 5 btw.
 

shazba

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But isn't he sitting around and waiting to release an update? He said he would polish and playtest, but that does not take the 4-5 weeks that he claims the remaining animations will need.

Yes it makes sense for him to take his time to generate more income, its still a shitty thing to do.

And yes, he is not ICSTOR, but ICSTOR also started increasing times between updates before becoming the full time milker he is today.
He's spent roughly 9 months developing the episode, definitely a lot more time than any other episode so far, and it's come down to everything being completed except for a months' worth of animations.

It would have been great if everything just aligned perfectly, where just as he finished writing the last bit of code, adding the last bit of music, testing the last big of logic, his animations rolled in, right on schedule.

Some people can't even manage all the components of a meal to come together perfectly right at the end, and that's with a recipe book and only having to schedule things across an hour or so.

So you know, it's no surprise that some things are complete while we wait on other things.

It is daunting to think that we could be waiting 4+ weeks for a few hundred megabytes of animations, which may, or may not add a lot to the game, but why not wait and see before getting all worked up about it.

To put what DPC is trying to do into context, in episode 7, after the mc's dad rocks up and delivers heaps of furniture to the DIKs, at the end of the day the mc lies on his bed and he's fucking happy:

mc "After seeing even more potential than I thought for my room, I was starting to get worried that others would get jealous."​
mc "Even so, this room was mine now, and I worked hard for it."​

Then the camera pans around his room. His new bed as he sleeps in it, with a mirror next to him reflecting a bookshelf on the other side of the room; the side room with the chair and reading lamp; his study, with his desk and DIK jacket; a close up of his DIK jacket; and finally his lounge room, with sofa, tv and guitar.

It was a significant moment for the mc in the story. For a short while he was "homeless". He finally gets accepted into the DIKs but his room is a total fucking pigsty. But he's turned that around, and he's impressed, and for a lot of readers who were invested in the story, they'd have likely felt the same. And this room panning animation consolidated that. It was pretty fucking cool. It was a victory moment.

Now I point this particular animation out for two reasons: It's not a lewd animation, and it's the largest animation created prior to episode 9, at 51MB and 30 seconds run time. I don't know how many days it took to render it. But given the DPC says there's about 100-200 MB worth of animations remaining, and it's gonna take around 4 weeks, this room animation could have taken over a week to create!

Some players probably didn't even watch the animation, they just clicked through quickly hoping there'd be another sex scene soon, others hopefully sat back and thought, "That's a pretty fucking good room!"

Was it worth it? Will the new animations be worth it? I'm expecting a Halloween party pan animation when the mc walks through the door. Those who have been waiting for the party may sit back, watch the animation and be like, "Fuck yes". Other will just click and miss.

Of course, on the other side of the coin, the 3rd largest animation so far (at 36 MB) was a full body pan of the fucking Madame! :eek:

But then why not buy more hardware, if he realizes that the render queue takes so long and he has more than enough money to speed up that part so he can focus on the rest of his "vision"? And if he was so obsessed with his vision and taking his time to complete it, why are there so many renders in the game that just straight up look like he never looked at them after putting them in the render queue?

Also he is only No. 5 btw.
The others 4 are technically visual novels... but yeah.

He hasn't hit this bottleneck of processing power since he last upgraded his hardware. But he'll probably upgrade to the new 4090 graphics cards once they've proven to work properly with DAZ.
 
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PinkmeX

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That part whit Bella and her husband where they didn't even kiss was such a lame move from dpc, he was scared not to upset anti NTR fans... and then he comes and tell us that he's doing this game after his vision and nobody can't influence him on how the story goes... yeah right:KEK:
This is DPC we're talking about here, of course Bella can't fuck her husband, he probably doesn't even have a dick.

As for the vision, that's not contradictory when his vision has always been to produce a game with as broad appeal as possible. That was always going to limit certain things.
 

shazba

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That part whit Bella and her husband where they didn't even kiss was such a lame move from dpc, he was scared not to upset anti NTR fans... and then he comes and tell us that he's doing this game after his vision and nobody can't influence him on how the story goes... yeah right:KEK:
This is DPC we're talking about here, of course Bella can't fuck her husband, he probably doesn't even have a dick.

As for the vision, that's not contradictory when his vision has always been to produce a game with as broad appeal as possible. That was always going to limit certain things.
It's not like DPC has made out that all the LIs are virgins or something. We know that Sage, Josy and Bella have fucked others through common sense.

But yeah, by not showing Bella and James even remotely intimate in that scene, it's opened up theories about James not really being there in that scene, and it makes her look frigid.

Sure, I don't particularly wanna see an LI being railed mercilessly by some other dude, but if a woman can't even kiss her husband in the past, I truly worry for these anti-NTR fuckwits. :rolleyes:
 

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That part whit Bella and her husband where they didn't even kiss was such a lame move from dpc, he was scared not to upset anti NTR fans... and then he comes and tell us that he's doing this game after his vision and nobody can't influence him on how the story goes... yeah right:KEK:
It’s not like you can actually bang ghosts and/or hallucinations :rolleyes:
 
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felicemastronzo

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It's not like DPC has made out that all the LIs are virgins or something. We know that Sage, Josy and Bella have fucked others through common sense.

But yeah, by not showing Bella and James even remotely intimate in that scene, it's opened up theories about James not really being there in that scene, and it makes her look frigid.

Sure, I don't particularly wanna see an LI being railed mercilessly by some other dude, but if a woman can't even kiss her husband in the past, I truly worry for these anti-NTR fuckwits. :rolleyes:
Not everything has to be shown, often just told. It is enough for Sage to complain that Chad is not physical with her again, rather than suggesting that he never was...

Isn't that also part of DPC's freedom to write the story he wants to tell? Or does that just refer to the number of animations?
 

shazba

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Not everything has to be shown, often just told. It is enough for Sage to complain that Chad is not physical with her again, rather than suggesting that he never was...

Isn't that also part of DPC's freedom to write the story he wants to tell? Or does that just refer to the number of animations?
I'm not sure if you're trapping me into agreeing with you! :eek:

So I will dodge! :cool:

What I'm saying is, we know with common sense, by the behaviours of Bella, Sage and Josy (and all the HOTs), that they have had sex before meeting the mc. They know what they are doing, and they are enjoying it.

So a scene with Bella and her husband, where the husband is trying to get some action, and Bella is trying to be professional at work, and then right before he gets to kiss her, Hilda from Hell cock blocks him...

Is DPC protecting the sensibilities of the snowflake anti-NTR crowd?

Or did he deliberately have Hilda send Bella home for absolutely no good reason at all (looking at her husband, I mean they literally weren't even kissing, is not a reason for sending her home at all :unsure:). And that has lead to theories of Bella being of unsound mind; imagining James' presence.

Also, and now I'm expanding on my earlier post, I thought James' disappearance was the reason why Bella was such a cold bitch.

Episode 3:

mc "At the time I couldn't understand Bella."​
mc "The attraction was there, but for her it felt so wrong."​
mc "I remember feeling bad about kissing a married woman."​
mc "I figured she felt the same since she was being unfaithful to her husband..."​
mc "which, of course, is a very big deal."​
mc "But if I had known the real reasons to her tears..."​
mc "and to her persona..."​
mc "I wouldn't have kissed her that night."​
mc "I would have called out for help."​

But those lines: "...if I had known the real reasons to her tears... and to her persona..."

Her persona being "The Ice Queen". But she was kinda the Ice Queen to James too. I mean she looked a little younger, but Bella was acting just like the person we've come to know all along, except she was a little less sure of herself (worried about losing her job).

So if that really was James, then what was all that persona bullshit in the mc's inner monologue. :unsure:
 

SomboSteel

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Not everything has to be shown, often just told. It is enough for Sage to complain that Chad is not physical with her again, rather than suggesting that he never was...

Isn't that also part of DPC's freedom to write the story he wants to tell? Or does that just refer to the number of animations?
to me it just feels like a "have your cake and eat it too" type thing.

he wants to be taken seriously as a mature and professional story teller/game designer, but he does seem to shy away from anything even in the ballpark of what the anti-NTR weirdos on this site and Patreon consider "unacceptable" in BaDIK. DPC shouldnt have to bend the knee to anyone just to reach the largest demographic possible. its especially a drastic/noticeable change from how he told his story for AL (which dealt with a cheating GF and didnt beat around the bush with it), and even though there wasnt anything like crazy explicitly shown with that angle of the story he seems almost afraid now to even get back to that level of "real relationships". and its worth noting that story was written before he was making like infinite money and before he positioned himself as the king of AVNs.

you are right that not everything has to be deliberately shown, but there have already been moments in the story that may have benefitted from more showing and less telling. Seeing Bella truly happy with her husband in the past would be a meaningful contrast to her ice queen persona we first meet (and that is slowly thawing). maybe seeing Sage and Chad actually happy together in a flashback could be meaningful, because at this point we just have to assume things were fine based on what we have been told. and because of this ambiguity (with both girls) there are people who actually believe that they havent had sex with their own significant others, merely because DPC seems too afraid to commit to it officially. hell, after the first time you pay for Quinn's restaurant the fact that the other girls are literally hookers basically disappears into the void of DPC storytelling.

so for me, compared to AL it does kinda feel like he sold out when he saw how big the potential check would be if he didnt commit to "pushing the same boundaries" he did in his first story/game. like look at the ending of that game, that isnt an ending trying to reach the broadest demographic possible. thats the ending he wanted and he stuck to it, even if its kinda a disaster lol. but i respected him sticking to his vision
 
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