VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[felicemastronzo]

We have Dalli and Kpyna for the speculating. Especially once they have snorted some redbull. Then we, vultures, swoop in and pile on stuff if we agree or not. POretty good system, no?

no, I would say not at all

Dailix himself doesn't believe in his theories, they are food for thought, let's say so...

Kpyna is relatively new, it is right that he still has some enthusiasm, his approach is quite analytical

considering how internete works I doubt that a post above 10 lines is read by more than 1% of the users, and replies also seem to me to be quite rare

 

[Darkwen]

in fact that's for sure: such long development times (combined with slow plot advancement anyway) have greatly killed the desire to talk about what might happen in the future of the story, because suddenly that future has become so distant

how long can it be interesting to talk about the fate of Bella's husband? or who ravaged the DIKs' mansion? or any other loose ends?

the season 3 finale will be there in about 2 years, by then something important will have happened, but is it worth talking about?

For me anyway it hasn't kill anything and honestly there hasn't been a shortage in speculating not with Dalli and Kpyna who I thank for my daily reading . The thing is 9 didn't really give a lot to talk of course there was good stuff to talk about but it was more setup for whats coming

 

[lipe2410]

Many of you are right and justified in your criticism of the developpment time from what I've read but I don't share the doomer energy from recently.
I too would have wanted two releases this year but if you take into account all factors, the dev time is really not that bad for the best game on the platform.

There was the minigame overall that took like around 2 months (yes I know some of you don't care about mini-games but some do, including DPC apparently), the 2 weeks vacation which was very much deserved after so many years of developpment without ever taking time to rest and finally the PCs upgrades which took about 2-3 weeks of dev time if I remember correctly.


All in all, that's about 3 months of developpment that we won't be seeing allocated in the following updates. Furthermore, we've seen noticable progress of the time taken for the animations since the hardware upgrades !

Try to take into account those 3 months, the fact that all his side content is now streamlined with an established process and the fact that his computers are more powerful and finally calibrated as he needs them to be.

If you do so, you end up with an estimated 7 months of actual dev time for episode 10 instead of more or less 10 months without thinking about these factors.
It could be very much possible that we do go back to the 6-7 months dev time between updates if all goes well !

Of course it's also possible that I am very VERY much wrong and nothing changes or worse, dev time keeps on increasing with every episode...

Time will tell.

This is simply NOT how DPC works.
If he doesn't have to spend time with minigames anymore for the next episodes, he'll just use this gain on time to make more renders. More and longer SFW animations. He'll NOT use this gain in time to release faster. He already made very clear he doesn't give a fuck in improve development time.
And think this game will be finished by around 2028 is already be unrealistic naive. Because this will be assume the 1 update/year pace will be kept until game is finished. But we are already in the 1 update per year phase and development time keep increasing every new update so you can be sure that future episodes will take more than a year to make. By the end of season 3, he'll already be taken a full whole year to make a update, and all episodes of season 4 will probably take more than year to make.

The way things are going and DPC is, this game won't be finished in this decade at all, if ever.

 

[felicemastronzo]

For me anyway it hasn't kill anything and honestly there hasn't been a shortage in speculating not with Dalli and Kpyna who I thank for my daily reading . The thing is 9 didn't really give a lot to talk of course there was good stuff to talk about but it was more setup for whats coming

you read Dallix's posts entirely? heck...


after the seventh and eighth chapters the situation was very similar. that the ninth chapter was particularly empty is an illusion due to the overall disappointment of the chapter, but more or less the same things happened that had happened in the last chapters: little but nothing

 

[Darkwen]

This is simply NOT how DPC works.
If he doesn't have to spend time with minigames anymore for the next episodes, he'll just use this gain on time to make more renders. More and longer SFW animations. He'll NOT use this gain in time to release faster. He already made very clear he doesn't give a fuck in improve development time.
And think this game will be finished by around 2028 is already be unrealistic naive. Because this will be assume the 1 update/year pace will be kept until game is finished. But we are already in the 1 update per year phase and development time keep increasing every new update so you can be sure that future episodes will take more than a year to make. By the end of season 3, he'll already be taken a full whole year to make a update, and all episodes of season 4 will probably take more than year to make.

The way things are going and DPC is, this game won't be finished in this decade at all, if ever.

Keep in mind we getting in another interlude for the forth season which DPC will probably make bigger then the last one. That said I don't think things are as bad as some act but maybe I'm the foolish one. People wait longer for buggy AAA games so there are worse spots to be

 

[Darkwen]

you read Dallix's posts entirely? heck...


after the seventh and eighth chapters the situation was very similar. that the ninth chapter was particularly empty is an illusion due to the overall disappointment of the chapter, but more or less the same things happened that had happened in the last chapters: little but nothing

While in the wait for 9 I said it would be the best yet I was wrong but still enjoyed it a lot and love the Josy scenes and of course the 3some . If there any disappointment I blame that on unrealistic expectations there are worse episodes such as 4 and worse free roam evetns like the one at Bella's house after prep party

 

[felicemastronzo]

This is simply NOT how DPC works.
If he doesn't have to spend time with minigames anymore for the next episodes, he'll just use this gain on time to make more renders. More and longer SFW animations. He'll NOT use this gain in time to release faster. He already made very clear he doesn't give a fuck in improve development time.
And think this game will be finished by around 2028 is already be unrealistic naive. Because this will be assume the 1 update/year pace will be kept until game is finished. But we are already in the 1 update per year phase and development time keep increasing every new update so you can be sure that future episodes will take more than a year to make. By the end of season 3, he'll already be taken a full whole year to make a update, and all episodes of season 4 will probably take more than year to make.

The way things are going and DPC is, this game won't be finished in this decade at all, if ever.

I agree with the idea of your post but not about minigames. DPC loves to create new ones, if he couldn't do that he would have a much harder time working on badik, with all the consequences of that

 

[Orgitas]

While in the wait for 9 I said it would be the best yet I was wrong but still enjoyed it a lot and love the Josy scenes and of course the 3some . If there any disappointment I blame that on unrealistic expectations there are worse episodes such as 4 and worse free roam evetns like the one at Bella's house after prep party

There is a lot of transference and misplaced blame on these forums, it seems, at times. Shooting one's self in the foot. Just an observation, naturally. Hype builds and with that expectations also become greater. It is, some times, a hard train to not be seduced by when so many others are on the track. That is one thing about humans... We do love, subconsciously, to be part of a herd - a crowd. Even the most fiercely independent person can often be found going with a large group, mentally, at times. Just part of being human, I guess.

Unlike many other Devs DPC is consistent with his Dev updates. You start to feel a sense of ... Hmm as Frank-N-Furter from the Rocky Horror Picture Show would say "Antissssss...............................ipation.". So on and so forth. But, an old friend of mine, gave me some great advice when it comes to watching films. Especially those in a franchise where the hypeis all around the place (Like a Star Wars films for example) - When you go to watch it do not think you know what will happen. Just see it as its own thing. Not connected with anything else as if you never watched any other film in the series before.Just a silly Sci Fi film.

Quite simple advice, really, but it has greatly improved my viewing, and gaming, experience. Going into things as a blank slate. Less likely to be disappointed. Regardless, that was a semi serious post by me. Guess I will have shit post on this site some to repent for that particular sin!

 

[Kpyna]

there was a choice about whether or not to warn Maya about Quinn, and the consequences of this theoretically important choice are to date very minimal (change Maya's initial team at the scavenger hunt and a few RPs after Patrick's arrival)

if such a seemingly important choice has such weak consequences I don't see why having a slightly more empathetic approach to the girls' fight should have who knows what consequence.

but the larger point remains that once MC is not involved the extra workload in dealing with Maya and Josy both as a couple and as individuals is completely superfluous. if DPC wants to break up the couple why should it also provide a path whereby the couple remains together but still disconnected from MC?

We can't explain why it's so and that variable (told Maya about Quinn) is saved and transferred to S3 (ep2_recommendedSage). So, it's not discarded, even since it was already used at least once. And since Quinn business and dark things are still not revealed and only a few persons are involved and know about her activities at the campus, this choice probably wait for a proper moment to play it's role, especially on a Throuple branch and Maya's "path" I think. We still haven't saw consequences for almost all of major choices we had made, only a few of them played their role partially (Jade, choice between nursing home and pink rose, punching Tybalt), while the rest are still in a wait state.

 

[Hateitfuckit]

le another day of the development time rant. "Dpc Should just hire someone at this point." "This game never gonna be finished. Blah blah". "He is milking the hell of mah mothar". These people are supposed to be an adult. Personally, I think for a game with complex mechanics as this one deserve as much as it needs. There is already minigames, free roams and some phone shits. Half of the lazy dev here doesn't even bother with them. While it true many people might not enjoy these minigames, hell I don't even like pack quest but I don't mind them since I enjoy the heck outta the phone contents and the free roam. (Ep9 was a drag of course). With this game amounts of branching and where every choices provide some sort of different dialogues and interactions. That would take some people actually some years to make. I understand the frustration that Dpc earn alot and could quickly and easily hire someone but I think some people work better alone, otherwise why would he even make a porn game lmfao. With his skills and talents he can just work in some gaming company and earn quick bucks. It really shitty things how people act ungrateful and unappreciated. I still haven't never played any adult AvN games that provides these amounts of contents and shits. I guess some people are just jealous of the support lol, tho it mostly deserved he actually finished acting lesson and damn it also pretty good despite ending in horror.

 

[ChipLecsap]

I guess today topic is who can stick his tongue deeper into dpc's ass

 

[TittyHeaven]

He already made very clear he doesn't give a fuck in improve development time.

Of course he doesn’t. If you were earning thousands would you be in any hurry to end the job earning you it? It's quite a coincidence devs earn more the longer development takes and we see adult games take so long to complete. Longer update times, smaller updates, redoing early parts, random storylines, the story stalling etc we see it over and over in games on here. Games take time to develop but I think it's naive at this point to think porn game devs don't inflate how long they work on a game to earn more and they should be called on it but they get given the benefit of the doubt constantly.

DPC does great work but it's clear he loves the dollar and is in no hurry for his moneycow to end.

 

[Lovetities]

Of course he doesn’t. If you were earning thousands would you be in any hurry to end the job earning you it? It's quite a coincidence devs earn more the longer development takes and we see adult games take so long to complete. Longer update times, smaller updates, redoing early parts, random storylines, the story stalling etc we see it over and over in games on here. Games take time to develop but I think it's naive at this point to think porn game devs don't inflate how long they work on a game to earn more and they should be called on it but they get given the benefit of the doubt constantly.

DPC does great work but it's clear he loves the dollar and is in no hurry to risk losing he's moneycow.

Pretty sure that every jobs for you. If it bothers you so much just don't support him. What do you think will happen if he abandoned this after ep10? Nothing, he would still have enough to last him a lifetime. Honestly, nothing stopping Dpc to just finish this one and move on to another one. I mean he did exactly that after acting lesson. Honestly, if people keep complaining and harassing someone it just kills the passion for something. I wouldn't be surprised if that the reason why there is so many abandoned games here.

Of course, it sucks that we have to wait a year for a episode but there simply nothing we can do. Even if he lose half of his supporters, it wouldn't matter to him but to us. We are the consumer and he is the provider. He has more leeway and it would hurt us more if this get rushed or abandoned tbh.

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

I guess today topic is who can stick his tongue deeper into dpc's ass

Come on. A couple minutes of propaganda would never be a bad thing, right?

 

[xtrema]

I don't think trouple's break up is planned, the player will be able to keep it, but he'll probably have to be constantly balancing between the two sides. But a breakup between Maya and Josy is more likely, and one can speculate if DPC will give a chance to save their relationship or if he will support one side in every way possible and then set Josy or Maya up with other girls.

Speaking of game complexity and sub-branching of established branchings - well, DPC probably fully knew what he is going for and what to expect in a future. At least such choices should be in his main(core) plot plans he came with originally, because it's important and allows the game to remain decent and consistent. Knowing DPC he will ratherly do more episodes or will increase their size, than he will cut content and simplify things, nullify work he done before and so on, even if work will become TOO complex closer to the game end.

then for the branching for jm be like
throuple
mc with josy
mc with maya
josy with maya
all alone
mc with josy and fixing maya with other girl
mc with maya and vice versa

alone jm can create this much branching so i think it will be covered in season 3 as well as in season 4

if they are in the trouple every problem is shown to have been overcome, in the ninth chapter they appear happy.

it is always possible that their fate is sealed anyway, but then we must expect a few more 'canon' episodes

a bit like what happened with Jill's unfaithful friends, the first to see them is an MC who is in a relationship with Quinn, while only an MC in a relationship with Jill knows them personally, now however any MC can understand what is going on.

I think it shows in quinn path because they both saw liv and matt in the park making out(maybe have some variable for it

This is simply NOT how DPC works.
If he doesn't have to spend time with minigames anymore for the next episodes, he'll just use this gain on time to make more renders. More and longer SFW animations. He'll NOT use this gain in time to release faster. He already made very clear he doesn't give a fuck in improve development time.
And think this game will be finished by around 2028 is already be unrealistic naive. Because this will be assume the 1 update/year pace will be kept until game is finished. But we are already in the 1 update per year phase and development time keep increasing every new update so you can be sure that future episodes will take more than a year to make. By the end of season 3, he'll already be taken a full whole year to make a update, and all episodes of season 4 will probably take more than year to make.

The way things are going and DPC is, this game won't be finished in this decade at all, if ever.

Dont worry then our children and for some grandchildren enjoy this great legacy

 

[Orgitas]

Considering a lot of the time it is people moaning I think it is fine to have a couple of posts brown nosing him. Hey, look at it this way, there are people who praise Ocean for doing two stories at once which will likely take him almost 30 years to complete it all due to the whole "32 episodes" thing. Puts some things into perspective, huh?

Learn to separate the art from the artists and stop self inserting. Cut the toxicity out of your lives... Or lots of blackjack and hookers. Be far happier for it. Unless you are married. Married women will always find out. Just stick with the booze otherwise.

 

[funkymonkeyjedi]

...//This is a professional team, and from what I've seen, one of the biggest earners in the adult game industry. //...

If I read your comment correctly, you're saying DPC has a Team?

To be honest, that's news to me. I think you've managed to read hidden names in the credits that I missed? Because last I checked DPC is a huuuuuuge team of 1 (himself) and at least 8 rendering queue stations. So I'm perplexed about this team you say there is developing this game.

Unless I'm grossly misunderstanding you, your entire post assumes there is more than 1 person working on the development of BaDIK, which all indications show there isn't (End game credits & etc). If there was, then your post would be valid to some extent. But DPC has repetitively refused to hire additional devs/help with his projects. He's very cynical about this.

And this is a huge reason why those of us who really enjoyed his VN are willing to sit back and be patient with him. It is very much worth the wait.

 

[Darkwen]

Easy fit eat more chicken and fuck (not the chicken thats just for eating, pervs)

 

[Orgitas]

Well, it might be an obvious mistake to make. DPC's ego is big enough to be a team of 10 people. Hence the confusion, most likely, heh.

 

[TittyHeaven]

Pretty sure that every jobs for you. If it bothers you so much just don't support him. What do you think will happen if he abandoned this after ep10? Nothing, he would still have enough to last him a lifetime. Honestly, nothing stopping Dpc to just finish this one and move on to another one. I mean he did exactly that after acting lesson. Honestly, if people keep complaining and harassing someone it just kills the passion for something. I wouldn't be surprised if that the reason why there is so many abandoned games here.

Of course, it sucks that we have to wait a year for a episode but there simply nothing we can do. Even if he lose half of his supporters, it wouldn't matter to him but to us. We are the consumer and he is the provider. He has more leeway and it would hurt us more if this get rushed or abandoned tbh.

I don't support, I am a filthy pirate on F95 after all. Always see “they don't need/want the money”, yet how many rich people walk away to never to get more? CEOs, athletes, actors etc have more than he ever will yet still prioritize money.

We see porn devs take ages, we see the things I mentioned in the previous post repeatedly. It's no secret numerous devs milk their Patreon. Yet when it comes to popular devs we’re supposed to play pretend that they aren't or you're angry, negative, ungrateful, harassing etc when no it's pointing out they're doing what the other devs do and thinking it's shitty.

BAD a Ren'py VN with renders will by the time it's done have likely taken anywhere from 6-10 years, perhaps more. Inscryption, Stardew Valley and Undertale took less time than that it's a bit ridiculous. It's a flaw with the Patreon model; devs have an incentive to keep a popular project rolling longer. Porn devs inflate their dev times and get away with it. I don't think great work should make you immune to criticism other devs get. I'm a pirate it can take 20 years and it won't affect me much but I don't see why I can't point out it's shitty on a devs part?