VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[katzenstreu]

"Ruining a fundraiser" is not a crime. There is no value in accusing MC of that other than trying to harm his reputation, and most people on campus would probably consider him a local legend for pulling that off.

The damage to the prep's house literally has no evidence. Tybalt claims there was a fire that he personally put out with his expensive Italian suit. Any inspection of the premises or the suit would expose that as a lie, as all Derek did was put a flame near the sprinkler sensor. Any qualified person investigating the scene could attribute it to nothing more than a sprinkler malfunction due to a faulty sensor, or maybe a smoke alarm triggered by cooking in the kitchen. Unless the preps had cameras everywhere and recorded the prank, there is literally no evidence of MC's involvement. The fact that Tybalt lies about it and it can easily be disproved would cast a lot of doubt about anything else he might claim, especially if MC didn't punch him later.

Jill is just easily duped by Tybalt; if she had any sense she would ask to see where the fire was, or why the house didn't have a pervasive smell of smoke.

to be fair, girls raised in a rich family tend to be stupid.
they maybe get good grades at school but are still stupid when it comes to every day problems.

 

[JJ1960]

the fanta legal discourse does not interest me, in fact I wrote that the threat of a lawsuit would not even have helped.

and being true, Mc would hardly have denied it at that point Jill could also have decided to compensate her for the damage but that still would have created a crack in her relationship with MC, because it would be a behavior she would not accept, fundraising is not Tybalt's thing but of all the Preps, in the same way the dwelling "belongs" to everyone in the fraternity.

then your argument I understand it little, if tybalt can't prove something that MC actually did, how can he prove something that MC actually didn't even do?

Since everything Tybalt tells her about the fire is a lie, why would she want to reimburse for damages that never happened?

She would have absolute proof that Tybalt is lying about some part of the prior evening's events, so would have legitimate doubt about everything else he is telling her, especially after Tybalt has shown what an asshole he is when MC tries to come by for a friendly visit with Jill. MC says he didn't set the house on fire, so he has way more credibility than anything Tybalt might come up with since no fire actually happened. All she had to do was ask to see the damage from the fire and Tybalt's whole blackmail plot would have evaporated. But she really hasn't got common sense enough to distrust someone like Tybalt who for anyone else would have alarm bells clanging.

 

[Amedore]

I can really appreciate heavy-hitting drama and have watched and really enjoyed plenty of movies and shows where I cry my eyes out in spots. It's cathartic. The problem with AL, for me, was that I was playing the game as porn. I was looking forward to some Megan-Melissa sandwich action, not leaving one of them to die in a fucking house fire. Subverting expectations is one thing, but switching up genres is what upset me. I didn't rage about it or anything, and I did play a few more variations just to see different endings, but for me the game ultimately disappoints because I thought I was going to enjoy one type of experience and I was instead provided with an entirely different type of experience.

In hindsight, I shouldn't have been so surprised. Plenty of things in the game were dark--how the MC met Megan, Melissa suffering abuse at the hands of her stepfather, Liam and his cancer, etc.--so for the ending to have included such a dramatic turn should have been seen as the natural climax to the plot. But the lewd scenes had me so enthralled I didn't see it coming. With all that in mind, my view now is that the ending was just a bit too heavy-handed.

BaDIK, so far, is serving up an "American Pie" or "Porky's" type of experience, largely, with some melodrama/soap opera elements thrown in. If something seriously horrible happens in this game--and I think the chances of that are not inconsiderable--I will be less shocked, mostly because after AL I won't let me guard down again and because I'm paying more attention (it's helped by my having played through so many different routes several times now). While DPC has said BaDIK is going to be a much different experience than AL was, and I'm confident he won't want to repeat himself, at this point I think we can expect some truly dramatic events to unfold.

So far, events that I thought would be dramatic have actually been underwhelming. For example, Tybalt has always been a pompous windbag, but in that scene where he eats watermelon and coerces Jill into dating him, he showed genuine malice and I thought he was going to be a serious threat. But episode 8 turned him into a complete laughingstock. Before Tybalt, Chad was also been neutered as a serious threat to the MC or any other character, as he appears to be a level-headed guy who's main reason for being a jerk earlier is his fear of being discovered as gay (or bi or whatever he is).

The problem with AL, IMO, is lazy writing. Suddenly a character with little prior development turns out to be a psychopath who whatever you do, decides to burn down a house with people in it. And that ends the story, making everything that happens previously trivial. It is no longer the story of MC helping two girls and falling in love, of his friendship with a buddy with a disease, of his flirtations with other girls.... Suddenly it's the story of a random crazy woman who commits a crime out of nowhere. The illness of the protagonist's bro might not be there, just as half the characters and situations might not be there, and the story would be the same. It only matters to the story that MC meets the crazy girl and any other girl, the crazy girl gets jealous of that other girl, whatever her story is, and burns down the house with her rival in it. That's not how you write a good story.

Regarding BaDIK, it's true: it's a mix of "National Lampoon Animal house" or "American Pie" with soap opera with excessive drama. It doesn't seem to have focus. It's a pastiche of too many things. It's as if DPC doesn't know what kind of story he really wants to tell. A silly teen comedy with asses and boobs with any excuse? A melodrama soap opera? Just porn for the sake of it? A Brokeback Mountain-style story for gay audiences? A crime thriller? There are too many elements. Too much cheap drama for such a story. Too much exaggeration and nonsense. Too many clichés. Cartoonish antagonists that no one can take seriously, like Tybalt. And seeing what DPC did with his previous game, I'm pretty sure he's going to somehow ruin the characters and the game. He's already ruined several characters by needlessly making them prostitutes, or adding stupid dramas that are supposed to move the player, but don't, like Maya's or Chad and Troy's. For sure, I don't give a shit about none of them. In the end, the only thing that interests me about this game are certain scenes with certain characters, which can be fun (I'm not talking about porn, exactly). But not the main story.

Of course, this game is better than the vast majority of the ones here. But it's not because this game is good, it's because most of the others are terrible.

 

[felicemastronzo]

Since everything Tybalt tells her about the fire is a lie, why would she want to reimburse for damages that never happened?

She would have absolute proof that Tybalt is lying about some part of the prior evening's events, so would have legitimate doubt about everything else he is telling her, especially after Tybalt has shown what an asshole he is when MC tries to come by for a friendly visit with Jill. MC says he didn't set the house on fire, so he has way more credibility than anything Tybalt might come up with since no fire actually happened. All she had to do was ask to see the damage from the fire and Tybalt's whole blackmail plot would have evaporated. But she really hasn't got common sense enough to distrust someone like Tybalt who for anyone else would have alarm bells clanging.

I evidently did not explain myself well....

I was talking about the scenario in which Tybalt accused MC of what he did, without making up the fire story.

If Tybalt had accused Mc of ruining the fundraiser, MC could not have denied it, and even if he did this would have created a problem in his relationship with Jill. Tybalt would have won anyway; he would have shown Jill the aspect of MC that she least likes and understands.

Instead, having accused MC of something that not only is he not guilty of, but that did not really happen, made Tybalt's blackmail suicidal, leading him to public humiliation and to lose any influence over Jill (which up to that point he had anyway)

 

[JJ1960]

I evidently did not explain myself well....

I was talking about the scenario in which Tybalt accused MC of what he did, without making up the fire story.

If Tybalt had accused Mc of ruining the fundraiser, MC could not have denied it, and even if he did this would have created a problem in his relationship with Jill. Tybalt would have won anyway; he would have shown Jill the aspect of MC that she least likes and understands.

Instead, having accused MC of something that not only is he not guilty of, but that did not really happen, made Tybalt's blackmail suicidal, leading him to public humiliation and to lose any influence over Jill (which up to that point he had anyway)

I think we agree, except that when Jill confronts him about Tybalt's accusation MC can tell her truthfully it was Derek who ruined the fundraiser, not himself. She really has no reason to disbelieve him. If he also explains that he was only there to check on the HOTs he has plenty of witnesses to back that up, including some who can show her their cum-stained panties where his DNA will be found to back up his claims.

 

[Dr.Slime]

I did forget do yall think at start of ep9 the person who trashes the tables is Bella husband?

 

[felicemastronzo]

I think we agree, except that when Jill confronts him about Tybalt's accusation MC can tell her truthfully it was Derek who ruined the fundraiser, not himself. She really has no reason to disbelieve him. If he also explains that he was only there to check on the HOTs he has plenty of witnesses to back that up, including some who can show her their cum-stained panties where his DNA will be found to back up his claims.

even accusing Derek basically is a suicidal act, Derek does it, but MC does nothing to stop it

 

[Ray_D]

I think you forgot that when BaDIK episode 8 came out, DrPinkCake made a post celebrating AL and showing how he graphically revised some of its early content just for the sake of it, because he really loved AL. If I remember well he even said that he loved AL more than BaDIK.


About AL:

That's not how I remember things went. At all.

I've been following AL here on F95 since its 1st chapter.

Those were the days where few games (3-4) were uploaded daily and monthly updates were the basic rule.

Everybody loved every minute of AL until the shit hit the fan. Chapter 5 came out, I downloaded it and I started playing it.
Then I came across the infamous choice - which girl should I rescue first from fire. I thought: "fuck, now what?"

So, I entered AL's thread and started reading posts. Everybody was angry as fuck and shocked: basically, you had to choose which main girl you saved and which main girl you made die.

I dropped the game on the spot and I never came back. And that's what a lot of people did too.

The rest of us stayed until the very end, and I don't think anyone of them ever complained about the ending. As far as I know, everybody on AL's thread always tell that they love the game because of the very same reason I dropped it: because it emotionally wrecked them. They just love that kind of drama shit. NOT ME.

well that decision was pretty easy to make actually, it didn't cost me much work, especially since I was laughing during the whole scene. the whole situation was absurd, especially the fact that no one called the fire department. We can sacrifice logic and common sense for drama.

 

[allanl9020142]

Considering the amount of time between updates, some of us actually take the time to play the game in it's entirety. Speaking for myself, I've got saves for all route variations. So that's 5 MGs for 3 alignments each. That's 15 playthroughs, plus 3 more playthroughs for the others path as well as their respective solo paths. So that makes for more saves than I care to admit to. And not long ago I realized I hadn't made a playthrough where MC fails all his classes etc, so back at it I am once again (And I'm taking notes this time Dalli_x, something I should have thought of doing a LOT sooner than now, lol).

So yeh, I've got a few runs done already, and I'm not the only one.

It's okay. I've got a run per LI and I count each LI in the Others path as a separate run. It's one of the reasons why I've barely completed anything and why I'm trying to optimize/organize things to play the least amount of runs possible.

Let me know what happens with MC failing all his classes. I didn't see any variables about failing out but it'd be hilarious if you just flunk out of school and get a "GAME OVER!" (There are some different lines depending on how you do in the classes but that's about it.)

 

[Dr.Slime]

It's okay. I've got a run per LI and I count each LI in the Others path as a separate run. It's one of the reasons why I've barely completed anything and why I'm trying to optimize/organize things to play the least amount of runs possible.

Let me know what happens with MC failing all his classes. I didn't see any variables about failing out but it'd be hilarious if you just flunk out of school and get a "GAME OVER!" (There are some different lines depending on how you do in the classes but that's about it.)

maybe the hidden path to be Quinn boyfriend is failing every exam so you get kicked out and work for buddy and rox

 

[Dolorem0317]

easy bet keeping 10$ since i have seen Joshy92 here he never ever dirt talk or even sway from Maya she snare him so bad i think he will have issue irl at this point i think he just tag her with Josy as package his ultimate goal is Maya from get to go since she bumped into MC in episode 1

hate to brake it to you but the only women Joshy has yet to simp for in this game is the lady who assign the dorm rooms thus far.

 

[funkymonkeyjedi]

It's okay. I've got a run per LI and I count each LI in the Others path as a separate run. It's one of the reasons why I've barely completed anything and why I'm trying to optimize/organize things to play the least amount of runs possible.

Let me know what happens with MC failing all his classes. I didn't see any variables about failing out but it'd be hilarious if you just flunk out of school and get a "GAME OVER!" (There are some different lines depending on how you do in the classes but that's about it.)

The game actually does keep track of your class performance. I don't think that would auto get you kicked out of college if you fail all classes. But rather, when the year ends, MC can only find a job at a used car lot working for Patrick. lol

I want to get away from that crazy family, not be stuck working for them..
But I just gota know.

 

[katzenstreu]

maybe the hidden path to be Quinn boyfriend is failing every exam so you get kicked out and work for buddy and rox

getting kicked out would mean that MC is not a DIK anymore.
that would be like watching roseanne without roseanne....oh wait.

 

[Dr.Slime]

hate to brake it to you but the only women Joshy has yet to simp for in this game is the lady who assign the dorm rooms thus far.

also Madam that works for the club he doesn't like her too

 

[Oliver Wendell Homely]

The problem with AL, IMO, is lazy writing. Suddenly a character with little prior development turns out to be a psychopath who whatever you do, decides to burn down a house with people in it. And that ends the story, making everything that happens previously trivial. It is no longer the story of MC helping two girls and falling in love, of his friendship with a buddy with a disease, of his flirtations with other girls.... Suddenly it's the story of a random crazy woman who commits a crime out of nowhere. The illness of the protagonist's bro might not be there, just as half the characters and situations might not be there, and the story would be the same. It only matters to the story that MC meets the crazy girl and any other girl, the crazy girl gets jealous of that other girl, whatever her story is, and burns down the house with her rival in it. That's not how you write a good story.

Regarding BaDIK, it's true: it's a mix of "National Lampoon Animal house" or "American Pie" with soap opera with excessive drama. It doesn't seem to have focus. It's a pastiche of too many things. It's as if DPC doesn't know what kind of story he really wants to tell. A silly teen comedy with asses and boobs with any excuse? A melodrama soap opera? Just porn for the sake of it? A Brokeback Mountain-style story for gay audiences? A crime thriller? There are too many elements. Too much cheap drama for such a story. Too much exaggeration and nonsense. Too many clichés. Cartoonish antagonists that no one can take seriously, like Tybalt. And seeing what DPC did with his previous game, I'm pretty sure he's going to somehow ruin the characters and the game. He's already ruined several characters by needlessly making them prostitutes, or adding stupid dramas that are supposed to move the player, but don't, like Maya's or Chad and Troy's. For sure, I don't give a shit about none of them. In the end, the only thing that interests me about this game are certain scenes with certain characters, which can be fun (I'm not talking about porn, exactly). But not the main story.

Of course, this game is better than the vast majority of the ones here. But it's not because this game is good, it's because most of the others are terrible.

I'd say the writing is inconsistent, not lazy or bad. But the visual storytelling elements are generally very strong: characters' facial expressions are well done and DPC populates scenes with lots of nice details. Few other developers go to such lengths. I don't mind that the story has comedy and dramatic elements, as that makes it more immersive, but I agree that so far the antagonists have been cartoonish.

I do not think any characters are ruined by "needlessly making them prostitutes," though. I think the whole "restaurant" and drug-dealing subplot is pretty juice and it's actually not a crazy idea. I mean, I don't know if any sorority in real life has ever actually done something like this to raise money, but plenty of young women pay their way through school by doing sex work (stripping, OnlyFans, or even prostitution). I feel like the people who object to that are part of the anti-NTR brigade.

In any event, DPC is not looking to win any awards. He's created something that is fun--and despite the game's shortcomings, it is very fun--and even compelling.

 

[Lorenz1]

New Lockhear post is out, btw

Chick MC + Chick Zoey:

Please, we all know the best one is chick MC + DIK Zoey. The canon version.

 

[Amedore]

I'd say the writing is inconsistent, not lazy or bad. But the visual storytelling elements are generally very strong: characters' facial expressions are well done and DPC populates scenes with lots of nice details. Few other developers go to such lengths. I don't mind that the story has comedy and dramatic elements, as that makes it more immersive, but I agree that so far the antagonists have been cartoonish.

I do not think any characters are ruined by "needlessly making them prostitutes," though. I think the whole "restaurant" and drug-dealing subplot is pretty juice and it's actually not a crazy idea. I mean, I don't know if any sorority in real life has ever actually done something like this to raise money, but plenty of young women pay their way through school by doing sex work (stripping, OnlyFans, or even prostitution). I feel like the people who object to that are part of the anti-NTR brigade.

In any event, DPC is not looking to win any awards. He's created something that is fun--and despite the game's shortcomings, it is very fun--and even compelling.

There are better models in other games; over all, the unrealistic female bodies are a turn off for me; but in general visual elements are decent; and I agree, facial expressions are great. One of the best things of this game.

Saying that the writing is inconsistent is a way to say it's bad, I think. Inconsistency is not a good thing. My problem is not the mix of comedy and dramatic elements. My problem is that the drama is over the top and doesn't mix well with the goofy teen comedy elements.

I think drug dealing is fine. It's a realistic subplot and can be interesting. But the subplot of cock sucking in the toilets has the sole purpose of including unnecesary porn scenes and justify the silly system of money. And I do think it ruins several of the HOTs as characters. Who wants as a Li a girl who sucks cocks for a few bucks in the toilets? It's hard to get attached to a character like that. It's not my kink, that's for sure. If it makes me a member of the anti-NTR brigade, great, I am. And that includes Lily, when she asks MC for money for a blowjob at the prep's party. I think a lot of fans just decide to pretend it doesn't exist and focus on other things of those characters (as MC does, by the way) but it's not something that contributes to make appealing a character like Riona, for example.

Another thing is the Burke case. Some of the HOTs could prostitute themselves just to him in exchange of a scholarship. That would be drama enough, create a decent antagonist (I'm sure things like that happens in real life), and it wouldn't turn the girls into cheap whores. DPC doesn't respect his female characters, not just by turning some of them into cheap whores, also making them always dress like whores and wear those over-the-top makeups, but at the same time he wants us to take their stories seriously.

I don't think DPC is looking to win awards, but he does intend to create something that isn't just a porn game for a quick fap. It aims to create a good story and good characters. But he goes overboard with the porn elements, and he goes overboard with the drama.

 

[The Glorious LIME]

Who wants as a Li a girl who sucks cocks for a few bucks in the toilets?

This is something that I can understand. On the other hand, it in a way can be used as a character development tool, for example Rio. She can be seen actually falling for MC, probably wanting, not to make it sound dramatic: "leave that life behind".

So I guess it's how it's handled in the end.

There are other titles that were meh 80% of the way than ended up great.

So I will reserve any judgement till the game's end.

I personally don't enjoy the game as much as before, but it remains a top 10 AVN title for sure.

 

[Lovetities]

There are better models in other games; over all, the unrealistic female bodies are a turn off for me; but in general visual elements are decent; and I agree, facial expressions are great. One of the best things of this game.

Saying that the writing is inconsistent is a way to say it's bad, I think. Inconsistency is not a good thing. My problem is not the mix of comedy and dramatic elements. My problem is that the drama is over the top and doesn't mix well with the goofy teen comedy elements.

I think drug dealing is fine. It's a realistic subplot and can be interesting. But the subplot of cock sucking in the toilets has the sole purpose of including unnecesary porn scenes and justify the silly system of money. And I do think it ruins several of the HOTs as characters. Who wants as a Li a girl who sucks cocks for a few bucks in the toilets? It's hard to get attached to a character like that. It's not my kink, that's for sure. If it makes me a member of the anti-NTR brigade, great, I am. And that includes Lily, when she asks MC for money for a blowjob at the prep's party. I think a lot of fans just decide to pretend it doesn't exist and focus on other things of those characters (as MC does, by the way) but it's not something that contributes to make appealing a character like Riona, for example.

Another thing is the Burke case. Some of the HOTs could prostitute themselves just to him in exchange of a scholarship. That would be drama enough, create a decent antagonist (I'm sure things like that happens in real life), and it wouldn't turn the girls into cheap whores. DPC doesn't respect his female characters, not just by turning some of them into cheap whores, also making them always dress like whores and wear those over-the-top makeups, but at the same time he wants us to take their stories seriously.

I don't think DPC is looking to win awards, but he does intend to create something that isn't just a porn game for a quick fap. It aims to create a good story and good characters. But he goes overboard with the porn elements, and he goes overboard with the drama.

Honestly, he did made a game that isn't for quick fap and his story is fun when you don't try to make sense of it with real life. I treat this as one of those shitty netflix drama that everybody watches to pass some time, but unlike most people here complaining about release dates, I only play it occasionally and enjoy whatever moments it got. The game is very immersive and have alot of contents to explore. It not a kinkfest like some other games and the plot is not entirely boring/repetitive or bad by any means.

Also, girls dressing as a whore/slutty is fanservice. Restaurants girls and other prostitutes are not main girls. Dpc gives punishment to players for fucking or dating side girls. While, it might be possible to date and even end the game with each of them but they are optional tbh.

 

[Bill_Buttlicker]

the fanta legal discourse does not interest me, in fact I wrote that the threat of a lawsuit would not even have helped.

and being true, Mc would hardly have denied it at that point Jill could also have decided to compensate her for the damage but that still would have created a crack in her relationship with MC, because it would be a behavior she would not accept, fundraising is not Tybalt's thing but of all the Preps, in the same way the dwelling "belongs" to everyone in the fraternity.

then your argument I understand it little, if tybalt can't prove something that MC actually did, how can he prove something that MC actually didn't even do?

He doesn't have to "prove" the MC didn't do it. In the court of law everyone is entitled to the presumption of innocence. Thus, until they are proven guilty, they are already assumed to not have done the crime they are accused of.