VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[DavDR]

because she's a significant part of the big picture,

Proof?

 

[ReallyNotTimmy]

I've heard this argued before but, where's your proof that DPC has this all laid out in advance? Is it the tightly written, well reasoned script? The smooth and efficient development?

Remember in ep 10, when Maya said, “Do you see?” and the MC had all those flashbacks to earlier episodes? PinkCake said he’d been laying the groundwork for that for years. Obviously he has. I don’t doubt he has the ending already in mind. You’d be an idiot to create a multi-year project like this one without an endgame.

Other elements suggest he’s locked into something he can’t easily bring himself to change. Like Maya’s student loan story, which he’s sticking to even though student loans work nothing like he’s described (a fact he at least lampshaded in ep 10). Or Madame Rose, a waste of resources that he’s obligated to keep adding to every episode because if you won the Pink Rose VIP pass, you’ve gotta get something for it. (Me, I’d swap the Madame with different strippers every episode. Episode 7 you’d get Brandi. Episode 8 you’d get Tania, plus the option to rub Tommy’s nose in the fact you plowed his favorite stripper. Episode 9 got skipped. Episode 10, Sandy. Next time, Rose again; Rose was fun.)

However it’s obvious not everything was laid out in advance. You gotta make some adjustments for fan reactions. If a side girl suddenly becomes a significant fan favorite (i.e. Quinn) you gotta accommodate those fans somewhat. Maybe not kill her off, if that was the original plan. (Something How I Met Your Mother should’ve realized.) Conversely if the fans universally loathe a side girl, have her disappear like Mona. I think PinkCake allowed himself some room to experiment and adjust. Maybe too much? Or not enough, so he has to invent convoluted explanations? Sometimes it’s best to just drop an entire game at once, like Netflix drops seasons at once.

 

[felicemastronzo]

You assume PinkCake is making up the story as he goes. He appears to be doing that with some elements, but the main story arc was figured out long ago, and will conclude, with Being a DIK, with episode 16. Plenty of room, and time, for him to squeeze in new characters.

Especially if some of the existing characters (Sally, Karen) never go anywhere, others (Jade, Nora, Riona; hope I’m wrong about Riona!) were meant to end early and poorly, and others (Camila, Melanie, Sandy, Sarah) were never meant to come to anything; they’re just dalliances.

look, these days I'm redoing a game from the beginning and I'll tell you that it seems clear to me that, at least on the sidegirls, DPC has changed direction.

I take Riona as an example: the first two times we see her she's practically tits in the wind, once she dances in front of Dawe (maybe only Tybalt occupies a lower step) while he touches her, and later in the same way at DIKs, when Mc is still a freshman to be bullied, always in the first chapter there's a hint of her ability in blowjobs.

a character far removed from the present, practically unrecognisable.

 

[godkingxerxes]

Remember in ep 10, when Maya said, “Do you see?” and the MC had all those flashbacks to earlier episodes? PinkCake said he’d been laying the groundwork for that for years. Obviously he has. I don’t doubt he has the ending already in mind. You’d be an idiot to create a multi-year project like this one without an endgame.

Other elements suggest he’s locked into something he can’t easily bring himself to change. Like Maya’s student loan story, which he’s sticking to even though student loans work nothing like he’s described (a fact he at least lampshaded in ep 10). Or Madame Rose, a waste of resources that he’s obligated to keep adding to every episode because if you won the Pink Rose VIP pass, you’ve gotta get something for it. (Me, I’d swap the Madame with different strippers every episode. Episode 7 you’d get Brandi. Episode 8 you’d get Tania, plus the option to rub Tommy’s nose in the fact you plowed his favorite stripper. Episode 9 got skipped. Episode 10, Sandy. Next time, Rose again; Rose was fun.)

However it’s obvious not everything was laid out in advance. You gotta make some adjustments for fan reactions. If a side girl suddenly becomes a significant fan favorite (i.e. Quinn) you gotta accommodate those fans somewhat. Maybe not kill her off, if that was the original plan. (Something How I Met Your Mother should’ve realized.) Conversely if the fans universally loathe a side girl, have her disappear like Mona. I think PinkCake allowed himself some room to experiment and adjust. Maybe too much? Or not enough, so he has to invent convoluted explanations? Sometimes it’s best to just drop an entire game at once, like Netflix drops seasons at once.

Mona was by far the hottest of the HOT daughters, she was far from loathed by anyone.

She's underrated by the community due to not having much content before being written out, which the way it was done was trash writing, MC can't even have a conversation with someone who not only did he hook up with but also helped him get a slap up on Derek.

 

[Riaman]

If we get an actual path with Yoga Girl, like at least on par with Lily or Nicole, I would not complain... as much.

Are the Vixens supposed to be actual characters? I thought it was just about the introduction of real temptation. Now that you can be monogamous, every other girl is a vixen—Sarah, Mel, Lily, Cammy, Rio, and more give you those tc points when you get too flirty with them. If the Vixens are actually supposed to be those 3 girls in the intro animation, then that's just stupid.

Riona and Lily are above rest of SGs only below Quinn in terms of content.

 

[Riaman]

If we get an actual path with Yoga Girl, like at least on par with Lily or Nicole, I would not complain... as much.

Are the Vixens supposed to be actual characters? I thought it was just about the introduction of real temptation. Now that you can be monogamous, every other girl is a vixen—Sarah, Mel, Lily, Cammy, Rio, and more give you those tc points when you get too flirty with them. If the Vixens are actually supposed to be those 3 girls in the intro animation, then that's just stupid.

Also I don't understand why you are putting Lily as a vixen against your established relationship when not pursuing her. She is a smart and observant gal that automatically rejects you if you pursue Sage first in ep 7 Hots party. All of Lily content is only available in Others path in which you're not in any relationship, rolling is probably the most relationship like thing aside from Quinn's path in others path.

Off route Josy is the most vixen girl.

 

[DavDR]

Remember in ep 10, when Maya said, “Do you see?” and the MC had all those flashbacks to earlier episodes? PinkCake said he’d been laying the groundwork for that for years. Obviously he has. I don’t doubt he has the ending already in mind. You’d be an idiot to create a multi-year project like this one without an endgame.

Other elements suggest he’s locked into something he can’t easily bring himself to change. Like Maya’s student loan story, which he’s sticking to even though student loans work nothing like he’s described (a fact he at least lampshaded in ep 10). Or Madame Rose, a waste of resources that he’s obligated to keep adding to every episode because if you won the Pink Rose VIP pass, you’ve gotta get something for it. (Me, I’d swap the Madame with different strippers every episode. Episode 7 you’d get Brandi. Episode 8 you’d get Tania, plus the option to rub Tommy’s nose in the fact you plowed his favorite stripper. Episode 9 got skipped. Episode 10, Sandy. Next time, Rose again; Rose was fun.)

However it’s obvious not everything was laid out in advance. You gotta make some adjustments for fan reactions. If a side girl suddenly becomes a significant fan favorite (i.e. Quinn) you gotta accommodate those fans somewhat. Maybe not kill her off, if that was the original plan. (Something How I Met Your Mother should’ve realized.) Conversely if the fans universally loathe a side girl, have her disappear like Mona. I think PinkCake allowed himself some room to experiment and adjust. Maybe too much? Or not enough, so he has to invent convoluted explanations? Sometimes it’s best to just drop an entire game at once, like Netflix drops seasons at once.

You have one example in one path of the game. (I don't remember that line at all, are you sure it wasn't just for players stuck with M&J?)

All the rest is just speculation.

There hasn't been any conclusion or resolution of the Loan storyline. In fact, the loan story proves that DPC hardly researched his 'master story' as the mistakes could so easily be avoided. To my mind that lack of research doesn't point to a meticulously planned story.

I've been in this thread for years and never saw any indication that the fan's universally loathed Mona, in fact if that was the benchmark for axing a character Maya and Jill, and of course Madame, would be long gone. And there's no indication that he's eliminating Madame either.

 

[Darkwen]

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[DavDR]

look, these days I'm redoing a game from the beginning and I'll tell you that it seems clear to me that, at least on the sidegirls, DPC has changed direction.

I take Riona as an example: the first two times we see her she's practically tits in the wind, once she dances in front of Dawe (maybe only Tybalt occupies a lower step) while he touches her, and later in the same way at DIKs, when Mc is still a freshman to be bullied, always in the first chapter there's a hint of her ability in blowjobs.

a character far removed from the present, practically unrecognisable.

Felice is alive!

I was afraid that the almost uninterrupted thread simping had driven you to something drastic.

 

[Joshy92]

Side girls are so pointless to me. If a girl doesn't have a romantic ending I don't even want to look at her.

 

[Roger-a-Dale]

Am I the only one who never had a problem with the student loan situation?

Yes, it's not how they work, but how do people learn that? Typically from their parents. The vast majority of people across the world are immensely vulnerable to being screwed over by their parents. Most parents just don't do something like that.

Then you add other factors that would just make it easier. First as the whole thing was a ploy to break Maya and Josy up, Patrick had obviously learned about it and exploded to Maya's face. Is it surprising that a 19-year-old girl was too scared to read the small print properly? Second Maya's romance just had a massive obstacle thrown at it. That sort of thing distracts people. Especially when you're young. Third if Patrick's abuse was consistently physical in nature and fuelled by acute anger, would Maya and Derek be in any way expecting something cold blooded and subtle.

The characters are young. Being ignorant is just plain realistic. So is being distracted by strong emotions. They may be legally adults, but that doesn't mean they've suddenly gained adult maturity. It takes time to become a proper adult. Most people don't manage it in their early twenties. Depressingly many people don't manage it by their seventies.

 

[Joshy92]

Am I the only one who never had a problem with the student loan situation?

Yes, it's not how they work, but how do people learn that? Typically from their parents. The vast majority of people across the world are immensely vulnerable to being screwed over by their parents. Most parents just don't do something like that.

Then you add other factors that would just make it easier. First as the whole thing was a ploy to break Maya and Josy up, Patrick had obviously learned about it and exploded to Maya's face. Is it surprising that a 19-year-old girl was too scared to read the small print properly? Second Maya's romance just had a massive obstacle thrown at it. That sort of thing distracts people. Especially when you're young. Third if Patrick's abuse was consistently physical in nature and fuelled by acute anger, would Maya and Derek be in any way expecting something cold blooded and subtle.

The characters are young. Being ignorant is just plain realistic. So is being distracted by strong emotions. They may be legally adults, but that doesn't mean they've suddenly gained adult maturity. It takes time to become a proper adult. Most people don't manage it in their early twenties. Depressingly many people don't manage it by their seventies.

Exactly. People are fucking stupid especially at that age and she trusted Patrick to have her best interest at heart.

Do the people who complain about the writing expect it to be some sort of oscar worthy plot lol.

 

[shazba jnr]

Proof?

I can't prove things to you Dav, I've learned that from the past. I can give you a mountain of evidence for something that you don't want to believe, and you'll just say, "nuh uh" (or the Dav equivalent).

But I'm a sucker for trying... The big picture is the mc's life, since this is the mc's story, and he's known Zoey since early high school. He's recently opened up to her that he's realised she was his first girlfriend and possibly his first love, and she's suddenly been hit with the realisation that she has strong feelings for him too (that was her whole "shitballs" reaction).

By anyone's reasonable logic, that makes her significant, Dav. Potentially more significant than any other side character in the game (bar Quinn, and now Riona since the plot has taken a twist around her). And while it's possible that side characters like Nicole are falling for the mc, the mc isn't considering he's in love with any of the side characters other than Zoey.

Spoiler: And you don't get this look from any side character when they're thinking of him.

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Am I the only one who never had a problem with the student loan situation?

Yes, it's not how they work, but how do people learn that? Typically from their parents. The vast majority of people across the world are immensely vulnerable to being screwed over by their parents. Most parents just don't do something like that.

Then you add other factors that would just make it easier. First as the whole thing was a ploy to break Maya and Josy up, Patrick had obviously learned about it and exploded to Maya's face. Is it surprising that a 19-year-old girl was too scared to read the small print properly? Second Maya's romance just had a massive obstacle thrown at it. That sort of thing distracts people. Especially when you're young. Third if Patrick's abuse was consistently physical in nature and fuelled by acute anger, would Maya and Derek be in any way expecting something cold blooded and subtle.

The characters are young. Being ignorant is just plain realistic. So is being distracted by strong emotions. They may be legally adults, but that doesn't mean they've suddenly gained adult maturity. It takes time to become a proper adult. Most people don't manage it in their early twenties. Depressingly many people don't manage it by their seventies.

I completely agree, it's an understandable situation especially considering that most religious households are portrayed as being very conservative and known for sheltering their children from the realtor of adult life. Maya and Derek getting into that financial situation isn't surprising if their father is willing to screw them over to get his way.

The issue is that the following people know Maya's loan situation: Derek, Josy, fuckface, Sage, Jill and Stephen. And none of them know (or want to suggest in the case of Stephen perhaps) that what Maya is saying is actually not possible.

Her dad can't have made her a cosigner on a loan he's taken out in his name (she has no collateral, no income, no credit rating).

Lenders only require a cosigner if the borrower doesn't seem to have the capacity to pay back the loan. They wouldn't then accept a cosigner who also doesn't have the capacity to pay back the loan.

He's got to be bluffing about the whole thing, but at least one of the above mentioned people should question it.

 

[ModiThorrson]

Am I the only one who never had a problem with the student loan situation?

Yes, it's not how they work, but how do people learn that? Typically from their parents. The vast majority of people across the world are immensely vulnerable to being screwed over by their parents. Most parents just don't do something like that.

Then you add other factors that would just make it easier. First as the whole thing was a ploy to break Maya and Josy up, Patrick had obviously learned about it and exploded to Maya's face. Is it surprising that a 19-year-old girl was too scared to read the small print properly? Second Maya's romance just had a massive obstacle thrown at it. That sort of thing distracts people. Especially when you're young. Third if Patrick's abuse was consistently physical in nature and fuelled by acute anger, would Maya and Derek be in any way expecting something cold blooded and subtle.

The characters are young. Being ignorant is just plain realistic. So is being distracted by strong emotions. They may be legally adults, but that doesn't mean they've suddenly gained adult maturity. It takes time to become a proper adult. Most people don't manage it in their early twenties. Depressingly many people don't manage it by their seventies.

I completely agree, it's an understandable situation especially considering that most religious households are portrayed as being very conservative and known for sheltering their children from the realtor of adult life. Maya and Derek getting into that financial situation isn't surprising if their father is willing to screw them over to get his way.

 

[Darkwen]

Side girls are so pointless to me. If a girl doesn't have a romantic ending I don't even want to look at her.

Says the same person in love with Quinn and Arieth and pretty much all the other girls

 

[ModiThorrson]

The issue is that the following people know Maya's loan situation: Derek, Josy, fuckface, Sage, Jill and Stephen. And none of them know (or want to suggest in the case of Stephen perhaps) that what Maya is saying is actually not possible.

Her dad can't have made her a cosigner on a loan he's taken out in his name (she has no collateral, no income, no credit rating).

Lenders only require a cosigner if the borrower doesn't seem to have the capacity to pay back the loan. They wouldn't then accept a cosigner who also doesn't have the capacity to pay back the loan.

He's got to be bluffing about the whole thing, but at least one of the above mentioned people should question it.

Sage, Jill, and Bella ARE in fact questioning it, that's why the scramble to get the signed documents so they can find out what is actually going on, without making guesses or getting hopes up.

It's highly likely that Patrick is bluffing, but until the reveal we'll have no way of actually knowing what is going on.

 

[Joshy92]

Says the same person in love with Quinn and Arieth and pretty much all the other girls

Yes but I'm just hoping Quinn has an ending. And I get upset everytime I think about sexy and sweet Arieth. Knowing I can never have her makes me sad.

 

[skc0110]

Glad to see you back, and glad wife is feeling better was about to message to check if you guys were ok.
keep the reviews going and enjoy married life.

 

[shazba jnr]

Sage, Jill, and Bella ARE in fact questioning it, that's why the scramble to get the signed documents so they can find out what is actually going on, without making guesses or getting hopes up.

It's highly likely that Patrick is bluffing, but until the reveal we'll have no way of actually knowing what is going on.

I forgot to mentioned even Bella fucking knows!

And you're right, Jill is asking to see the papers because it doesn't sound like a student loan to her ('cause it's not).

The only way I can see that it could be a real, but dodgy loan, is if Patrick did it through the car sales company he works for. A lot of small time car salesman do their own finance deals too, so he may have made up the paperwork himself. The only thing is, if it ever went to court (which it probably wouldn't) he would be fucked in the ass.

 

[felicemastronzo]

Am I the only one who never had a problem with the student loan situation?

Yes, it's not how they work, but how do people learn that? Typically from their parents. The vast majority of people across the world are immensely vulnerable to being screwed over by their parents. Most parents just don't do something like that.

Then you add other factors that would just make it easier. First as the whole thing was a ploy to break Maya and Josy up, Patrick had obviously learned about it and exploded to Maya's face. Is it surprising that a 19-year-old girl was too scared to read the small print properly? Second Maya's romance just had a massive obstacle thrown at it. That sort of thing distracts people. Especially when you're young. Third if Patrick's abuse was consistently physical in nature and fuelled by acute anger, would Maya and Derek be in any way expecting something cold blooded and subtle.

The characters are young. Being ignorant is just plain realistic. So is being distracted by strong emotions. They may be legally adults, but that doesn't mean they've suddenly gained adult maturity. It takes time to become a proper adult. Most people don't manage it in their early twenties. Depressingly many people don't manage it by their seventies.

the problem with student loans is not that only Maya, Derek, Josy, and MC don't know how it works (and MC has one, so an idea should)
even Sage despite being a brilliant student, at least according to Bella, or Jill are the least bit suspicious of Maya's story. their problem is that she hasn't read it (spoiler: almost no one reads and especially understands what he signs, we trust whoever proposes it to us, we have someone knowledgeable read it...)

but in the end even Bella doesn't make a dent in Maya's account, she has to see the documents, because only by seeing them will she be able to say what should be obvious.

and here then we come to the real problem with Maya's borrowing: a constant waiting for something to happen and then when it does happen it only leads to waiting for something else.

first we teend that Maya trusts MC enough to talk about it, then we wait for the scavenger hunt to end, although there is little doubt that Quinn will not give Maya anything, then we wait for Maya to talk to Sage, then we wait for Sage to set up this appointment, then we wait for Jill to get Maya to talk to her lawyer, but that is not before waiting for the boys to get hold of the documents.

so it's not enough to say “the kids may not know,” they've been dealing with it for months, in an ever-increasing number, they're at a college where any counselor, professor should be able to clear it up.

the loan stopped being drama as early as the first season, and since then it's just a ploy to keep them running around and postpone the breakup of the trouple and thus the start of new runs