VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[mintymuz]

So, what do we have here.

1. You're blaming Tommy for being an addict. Isn't addiction a disease?
2. You are sticking your nose into someone else's relationship.
3. The secret code thing is interesting. I've never seen the scene where Tommy does that, so I'm guessing it's something that only happens if MC fucked Jade, and if MC shared the video with the DIK's. A very obscure branch where the MC does something that's pretty fucked up. And that's why you the player hate Tommy?
4. I got the impression that Tommy was trying to protect the MC, though probably not doing a good job. Still, a pretty fucked up reason to hate him.
5. He's over protective of his step sister???
6. Tommy is jealous of MC? Well yeah I'm kind of surprised that every guy in the game isn't jealous.

To me all of these reasons, and some of the others I've heard, just point out what an asshole the MC is, or the way the players play him is some pretty stark assholery. But why blame Tommy for that?

Jesus man, you're trolling at such a high level lately that you must be getting nosebleeds...

Firstly, people were saying that Tommy is an asshole (their opinion, which they are entitled to). You are the one who turned that around to say they hate him. The two are not the same. He can be an asshole without them hating him (and the other way around, too).

Also, plenty of reasons have been given which, again, are opinions that are completely valid, regardless of whether or not you agree with them. It doesn't matter if the guys play the MC in a way that he has some of the same traits, it's completely irrelevant, and it's possible to be an asshole and call someone else an asshole too, so you have no argument down that path. If the MC you control cheats on his partner, that doesn't stop Tommy from being an asshole for cheating on his own partner. That just means you're both assholes.

I've not seen anyone blaming Tommy for things they themselves (as MC) have done. They're calling him an asshole (again, different language, you'll note) for things that Tommy has done.

And on the DIK code, I don't recall Tommy breaking it regarding MC fucking Jade. He breaks it regarding MC being with Josy and Maya, and he breaks it regarding Derek fucking Professor Granny (I can't remember her name). Neither of those are things that make MC an asshole, just in case you're still trying to count that.

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

So, what do we have here.

1. You're blaming Tommy for being an addict. Isn't addiction a disease?
2. You are sticking your nose into someone else's relationship.
3. The secret code thing is interesting. I've never seen the scene where Tommy does that, so I'm guessing it's something that only happens if MC fucked Jade, and if MC shared the video with the DIK's. A very obscure branch where the MC does something that's pretty fucked up. And that's why you the player hate Tommy?
4. I got the impression that Tommy was trying to protect the MC, though probably not doing a good job. Still, a pretty fucked up reason to hate him.
5. He's over protective of his step sister???
6. Tommy is jealous of MC? Well yeah I'm kind of surprised that every guy in the game isn't jealous.

To me all of these reasons, and some of the others I've heard, just point out what an asshole the MC is, or the way the players play him is some pretty stark assholery. But why blame Tommy for that?

1. It's a disease he doesn't want to fight, exactly with Tommy's philosophy of "if you've hit rock bottom, make yourself comfortable there." Moreover, this begins to cause problems for those around him: stealing from Heather and buying drugs from Vinny. And why should I be nice to a heroin addict who brings problems to others?
2. Yes, because I can. This is a character in the game and I criticize his behavior which I find unworthy, just as you criticize DrPinkCake and his game.
3.You're wrong here. This happens at any Maya/Josy brunch, Jade has absolutely nothing to do with it. Tommy sees Josy/Maya's walk of shame, gets furious, runs to beat the shit out of MC and then complains that Tremolo is a "sisterfucker" even though he used the DIK secret code. Literally minutes later, while cleaning the mansion, everyone already knows about it.
4. It's a shitty job to protecting MC, right. A fundament for MC being shot next time, because he will don't take gun threatening seriously from Vinny next time, thinking it's fake.
5. Even though I don’t like Josy, in this situation I’m on her side. It's her private life, she's not underage and Tommy can fuck off and not interfere with who she sleeps with.
6. Don't know, didn't saw jealousy from other DIKs. The boys treat him well.

To summarize, I want to note something from your answer: I don't hate Tommy, I don't like him as a character, and his flaws outweigh his good points, so I have a negative view of him. He's still a character who can get his own redemption arc since he's corrected his mistakes in the past, but for now Tommy is going downhill overall.

 

[DavDR]

How about we flip it. I am genuinely interested, would you be willing to write up reason why you like Tommy? You clearly do, since you seem to be his biggest defender. And since you like him and I consider him garbage and sub-human trash, I'm interested what is it that you see in him that creates a vastly different opinion/image of him. You're aware you're the minority here, but I am always up for hearing other perspectives even if they are quite different from mine... hell, those are the best. Talking with Yes Men is super boring anyways

Actually, I'm pretty indifferent to the character. I just noticed that there were a lot of people down on him in the thread.

And I was curious why.

I'm also curious why so many can't seem to give a reason for their hate, dislike or whatever.

 

[Educifer]

I just noticed it stands for Josy, Tremolo/DIK(?), and Maya. Lol.

Just call him MC

 

[DavDR]

MC calls the secret code when they find out about the throuple after the halloween party, tommy storms off and tells everyone about it anyway.

Oh, who cares?

Seriously that's one of the weakest things in the game, that anyone would care that Maya and Josy are lesbians, or psuedo lesbians or whatever they are.

 

[DavDR]

1. It's a disease he doesn't want to fight, exactly with Tommy's philosophy of "if you've hit rock bottom, make yourself comfortable there." Moreover, this begins to cause problems for those around him: stealing from Heather and buying drugs from Vinny. And why should I be nice to a heroin addict who brings problems to others?
2. Yes, because I can. This is a character in the game and I criticize his behavior which I find unworthy, just as you criticize DrPinkCake and his game.
3.You're wrong here. This happens at any Maya/Josy brunch, Jade has absolutely nothing to do with it. Tommy sees Josy/Maya's walk of shame, gets furious, runs to beat the shit out of MC and then complains that Tremolo is a "sisterfucker" even though he used the DIK secret code. Literally minutes later, while cleaning the mansion, everyone already knows about it.
4. It's a shitty job to protecting MC, right. A fundament for MC being shot next time, because he will don't take gun threatening seriously from Vinny next time, thinking it's fake.
5. Even though I don’t like Josy, in this situation I’m on her side. It's her private life, she's not underage and Tommy can fuck off and not interfere with who she sleeps with.
6. Don't know, didn't saw jealousy from other DIKs. The boys treat him well.

To summarize, I want to note something from your answer: I don't hate Tommy, I don't like him as a character, and his flaws outweigh his good points, so I have a negative view of him. He's still a character who can get his own redemption arc since he's corrected his mistakes in the past, but for now Tommy is going downhill overall.

Uhmm wouldn't they know about M/J from the walk of shame? And if it's such a big secret why are they doing it in the DIK mansion where the walk of shame is a hallowed tradition?

 

[Roger-a-Dale]

Why are you so defensive about a simple question?

I'm not. Why are you so defensive about liking Tommy?

 

[The Glorious LIME]

Actually, I'm pretty indifferent to the character. I just noticed that there were a lot of people down on him in the thread.

And I was curious why.

I'm also curious why so many can't seem to give a reason for their hate, dislike or whatever.

So it's less defending and more checking why the bandwagon, got ya.

As for me, you read my reasons.
They are quite anti Tommy and ultra baised, but I don't hide that fact
He's not in any way important tho, I'd have the same opinion about anyone with his traits. I'm not here to change your mind, neither could anyone change my mind... Except DPC. Like he has done with Maya.
I started as a huge maya hater, now I like her. Improved care of a character does wonders. So depending on how DPC writes him, my opinion of Tommy might slightly alter, at least get more sympathy. It's the same reason I have a huge dislike for Josy. But, it is how DPC wrote her. While I dislike her, I can't hate on a character because DPC either did a shit job writing her or is writing her in an unlikable way atm(when not on MJ route). So at the end of the day, I reserve final judgement for the games completition.

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

Uhmm wouldn't they know about M/J from the walk of shame? And if it's such a big secret why are they doing it in the DIK mansion where the walk of shame is a hallowed tradition?

Walk of shame is not a Halloween tradition, it's a general DIKs tradition - singing to girls and make fun of them who hooked up with the DIK fraternity member.
HOTs couldn't know this (I mean the HOTs who found out about MC/Josy/Maya). At this point, only a few DIKs (Leon, Jacob, Tommy, Rusty) were watching the walk of shame, and the girls came later to clear the mansion.
For the first time we learn that the DIKs code is broken from Elena, who congrats them and directly says that Tommy was blabber-mouth.

 

[ModiThorrson]

Oh, who cares?

Seriously that's one of the weakest things in the game, that anyone would care that Maya and Josy are lesbians, or psuedo lesbians or whatever they are.

Honestly who cares is irrelevant, the code was broken, that's a dick move. On the other hand, I don't know where you're from, but there are plenty of places around the world where being openly lgbt can get you killed, even in the US where the game takes place, there are places where it will earn you a beating or shunning. So while ideally most people shouldn't care, there are a lot that do sadly.

 

[DavDR]

Walk of shame is not a Halloween tradition, it's a general DIKs tradition - singing to girls and make fun of them who hooked up with the DIK fraternity member.
HOTs couldn't know this (I mean the HOTs who found out about MC/Josy/Maya). At this point, only a few DIKs (Leon, Jacob, Tommy, Rusty) were watching the walk of shame, and the girls came later to clear the mansion.
For the first time we learn that the DIKs code is broken from Elena, who congrats them and directly says that Tommy was blabber-mouth.

Not Halloween, Hallowed. Google it

 

[DavDR]

Honestly who cares is irrelevant, the code was broken, that's a dick move. On the other hand, I don't know where you're from, but there are plenty of places around the world where being openly lgbt can get you killed, even in the US where the game takes place, there are places where it will earn you a beating or shunning. So while ideally most people shouldn't care, there are a lot that do sadly.

Bullshit, at least as far as the US goes.

Are there people who don't like Gay, yes but I would argue against any signs of wide spread discrimination.

Have people been assaulted? Yes, but on a danger scale I would say that many more have been assaulted for wearing a MAGA hat.

 

[iamcomming]

guys anyone have save ile from eps 2 so i can play season 3 and how to put the saves? i downlaod the season 3 and turn out its need safe file from eps 2 and i already deleted it

the others are busy with Tommy
you dont need ep2, you need season 1-2, you got special save end of season 2 and you can import the special save to season 3
if you deleted your saves, well, i am sorry, but the choices are matter and there is a lots of choice. so the best would be if you replay with skip.
you have time until ep11 release, for sure

 

[iamcomming]

So it's less defending and more checking why the bandwagon, got ya.

As for me, you read my reasons.
They are quite anti Tommy and ultra baised, but I don't hide that fact
He's not in any way important tho, I'd have the same opinion about anyone with his traits. I'm not here to change your mind, neither could anyone change my mind... Except DPC. Like he has done with Maya.
I started as a huge maya hater, now I like her. Improved care of a character does wonders. So depending on how DPC writes him, my opinion of Tommy might slightly alter, at least get more sympathy. It's the same reason I have a huge dislike for Josy. But, it is how DPC wrote her. While I dislike her, I can't hate on a character because DPC either did a shit job writing her or is writing her in an unlikable way atm(when not on MJ route). So at the end of the day, I reserve final judgement for the games completition.

interesting, i am oposite
first i liked Maya, now i dont
first i dont liked Jojo, now i do

 

[Darkwen]

NEW PREVIEW RELEASED...

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MC should take the Goddess from behind like a good winner does

 

[Darkwen]

Joshy after some one calls Maya a whore with an sand paper ass

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What Maya really thinks about Joshy

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meanwhile Josy and me

 

[Darkwen]

interesting, i am oposite
first i liked Maya, now i dont
first i dont liked Jojo, now i do

Always knew you was smart no matter what every one else says

 

[soprano31]

Joshy after some one calls Maya a whore with an sand paper ass

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What Maya really thinks about Joshy

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meanwhile Josy and me
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What's wrong,are you sick,is it too hot ?

 

[Rehwyn]

2 who goes with open relationship, that should expect for it. but we can say, he was enough humanity to go for open relationship, not like the real cheaters, Sage, Maya, Jojo, Balla, Oscar, Oscar girlfriend, Chad

Slight derailment, but wanted to quickly comment on this. Having known people in consensual non-monogamous relationships, my perspective is that Tommy is just as much a cheater.

In all of the cases you listed, what makes the act immoral is not explicitly that they slept with other people, but that they broke the implicit/explicit agreement of their relationship. For the "real cheaters" you listed, there was an expectation or agreement of monogamy that was broken, and the breaking of that agreement is what actually makes it immoral.

As you mentioned, Tommy is in an "open" relationship, but that doesn't imply it's a free-for-all. In fact, there's an explicit agreement that before either partner has sex with someone outside the relationship, they discuss and agree on it. Tommy has broken that agreement multiple times, which is just as much a breach of trust as for the others you listed and demonstrates a lack of respect for his relationship and Heather, especially since he knows it upsets her. This makes him just as much of a "cheater". Worse, unlike many of the others, he doesn't seem to show any remorse for his actions.

If Tommy can't or doesn't want to abide by the terms of his relationship or if he's unhappy in his relationship, he should man up and discuss it with Heather. Either they agree to change their relationship agreement, or they break it off so they can pursue relationships that fit them better.

P.S. Regarding him slapping Heather at the table: there's a fundamental difference between consensual slaps and things like it during sex and the clearly unwanted slaps in that scene. The latter is violence, if not abuse.

 

[The Glorious LIME]

interesting, i am oposite
first i liked Maya, now i dont
first i dont liked Jojo, now i do

Secret sauce is that we respect each others likes and dislikes, and not wage "holy war" over damn pixels, lol.