VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[Darkwen]

but what does bad leadership have to do with kidnapping? how would it be a consequence of Quinn's leadership?

she is a drug dealer, Vinnie is a drug dealer, and at a lesser level so is Riona, Tommy, and so on. drug dealers do drug dealer things.

or do we say it is the fault of Vinnie's bad ladership that he should have foreseen the consequences of stealing the takings from Quinn? Or for demanding prices that are too high?

It very easy to understand, Quinn should had known Vinny wouldn't take it kindly for her moving in on his turf by selling to PR.
Quinn should had been warning the girls to kept an eye out

 

[SteelyDan14]

that is true I just find it hard not to put some of the blame on Quinn like 10% or so of it cause all she really did was poke a bear and ignore a few red flags that could of been nothing.

I hear you, but just because Quinn helped setup the situation to piss Vinnie off, he still made the final call. There are a lot of things and people who may have contributed to it, but at the end of the day, Vinnie made the final decision and he didn't have to.

 

[SteelyDan14]

I get the nonsensical defence of Quinn by her simps, but I'm not sure where the other people are coming from here though. Rio being kidnapped is Quinn's fault, simple as that. Yes, Lily did ask Quinn to sell her the drugs she was previously buying from Vinnie, however Lily didn't know that Quinn and Vinnie had the no-aggression pact that meant Quinn wasn't to deal drugs for use outside of campus so when Lily made it clear that she was buying for all the Pink Rose girls then Quinn should have refused. She has enough experience of Vinnie to know how dangerous he is and that he was going to retaliate when he found out that Quinn was supplying within his territory.

RIo being kidnapped is Vinnie's fault. No one elses.

 

[The Krogan Dude]

RIo being kidnapped is Vinnie's fault. No one elses.

Nah, Lily and her friends stopped buying from Vinnie then lied to him. That's Lily's fault

 

[SteelyDan14]

So Quinn knowing that Vinnie is a dangerous guy, and knowing that he will react badly to her supplying the Pink Rose, bears no responsibility? You seriously think that?

She may have contributed to pissing off Vinnie, but at the end of the day, the decision to kidnap Rio was all his. No one forced him to do so. Did Quinn piss him off? Probably. Did Lily add to the situation? Maybe. But Vinnie made the decision all by himself.

Do you blame the abuse victim for getting hit by her husband just because she may or may not have pissed him off? No. The husband made the call the hit her all on his own. No one else to blame. Same with Vinnie.

 

[iggy.]

Riona being kidnapped is on Quinn. It is heavily hinted that she and Vinny used to be a thing, and if anyone knows him, its Quinn. She knew her ex boyfriend is a dangerous individual, and she still stole his customers. If there is one thing dope boys hate is their opposition taking their customers and money.

She did break a deal they put together. And her best friend getting kidnapped is consequences of her (stupid, very stupid) actions

 

[SteelyDan14]

Riona being kidnapped is on Quinn. It is heavily hinted that she and Vinny used to be a thing, and if anyone knows him, its Quinn. She knew her ex boyfriend is a dangerous individual, and she still stole his customers. If there is one thing dope boys hate is their opposition taking their customers and money.

She did break a deal they put together. And her best friend getting kidnapped is consequences of her (stupid, very stupid) actions

Nope. Rio getting kidnapped is on Vinnie. He made the decision. No one forced him to do it.

 

[iggy.]

Nope. Rio getting kidnapped is on Vinnie. He made the decision. No one forced him to do it.

I guess you are simp, I am not trying to start waifu wars since I have more important things to do.

First of all - Quinn knew what kind of guy Vinny is. Crazy, daring and dangerous. This guy pulled out a gun on a teenager for no reason AT ALL. That shows us we are dealing with a man who doesn't care much. That is a very dangerous combination.

Knowing all this, Quinn still choose to fuck him over. She knew what she was getting into. When you know you are dealing with a crazy person you cut contact and avoid that person. Even his best friend(Nick) doesn't talk to him much.

And yet she stole his customers, why ? Because she is greedy, very greedy. And that's why her best friend got kidnapped by crazy unhinged guy.

 

[SteelyDan14]

I guess you are simp, I am not trying to start waifu wars since I have more important things to do.

First of all - Quinn knew what kind of guy Vinny is. Crazy, daring and dangerous. This guy pulled out a gun on a teenager for no reason AT ALL. That shows us we are dealing with a man who doesn't care much. That is a very dangerous combination.

Knowing all this, Quinn still choose to fuck him over. She knew what she was getting into. When you know you are dealing with a crazy person you cut contact and avoid that person. Even his best friend(Nick) doesn't talk to him much.

And yet she stole his customers, why ? Because she is greedy, very greedy. And that's why her best friend got kidnapped by crazy unhinged guy.

Hey... thanks for the name calling. I will add that to the list of colorful metaphors used to describe me. SIMP is a new one.

So sure... others may have contributed to Vinnie getting angry and feeling like he needed to act, but he still, at the end of the day, made the decision to kidnap Rio. No one else. It's like someone who commits a mass murder/shooting. Do we blame anyone other than the shooter? No. No one forced them to do what they did, just like no one forced Vinnie to kidnap Rio. 100% on Vinnie.

 

[The Krogan Dude]

And yet she stole his customers, why ? Because she is greedy, very greedy. And that's why her best friend got kidnapped by crazy unhinged guy.

The customers came to her. Why ? Because Vinnie overcharged his prices. Quinn wasn't even aware he was selling to them. Lily just made a deal behind Vinnie's back. Vinnie came back because Lily and the girls lied to him with a bullshit excuse. Lily is also aware that Vinnie was a dangerous guy but didn't really care. She just wanted cheaper prices. But I guess that's also Quinn's fault if Vinnie screwed his customers over and forced them to seek for someone else.

Vinnie own greed started everything and Lily's shenanigans bring him back.

 

[Rehwyn]

Hey... thanks for the name calling. I will add that to the list of colorful metaphors used to describe me. SIMP is a new one.

So sure... others may have contributed to Vinnie getting angry and feeling like he needed to act, but he still, at the end of the day, made the decision to kidnap Rio. No one else. It's like someone who commits a mass murder/shooting. Do we blame anyone other than the shooter? No. No one forced them to do what they did, just like no one forced Vinnie to kidnap Rio. 100% on Vinnie.

If there are two rival gangs with established and agreed territories, the leader of Gang A decides to start encroaching on Gang B territory while withholding info from the rest of their gang, and Gang B retaliates by kidnapping one of the members of Gang A, neither gang leader has clean hands. Sure, the one ordering/doing the kidnapping is probably the dirtiest, but it seems silly to me to try to claim the leader of Gang A is totally without blame for creating the circumstances where Gang B felt the need to retaliate in the first place.

 

[The Krogan Dude]

If there are two rival gangs with established and agreed territories, the leader of Gang A decides to start encroaching on Gang B territory while withholding info from the rest of their gang, and Gang B retaliates by kidnapping one of the members of Gang A, neither gang leader has clean hands. Sure, the one ordering/doing the kidnapping is probably the dirtiest, but it seems silly to me to try to claim the leader of Gang A is totally without blame for creating the circumstances where Gang B felt the need to retaliate in the first place.

But there's no gang feud in this case. They have the same boss.

 

[Rehwyn]

But there's no gang feud in this case. They have the same boss.

Larger gangs have internal factions with separate sub-leaders all the time, and it's not uncommon for conflict and power struggles to occur between them.

 

[maverickson]

hello all
is there away to keep all the girls? like a harem?

 

[Dessolos]

hello all
is there away to keep all the girls? like a harem?

only up till chapter 8 then you gotta pick a path

 

[The Krogan Dude]

hello all
is there away to keep all the girls? like a harem?

No.

 

[Rehwyn]

hello all
is there away to keep all the girls? like a harem?

Not after Episode 8. You are forced to choose a main path (or Others) after that.

 

[KАRАMBA]

100% on Vinnie.

OK, the trial is over.

 

[SteelyDan14]

If there are two rival gangs with established and agreed territories, the leader of Gang A decides to start encroaching on Gang B territory while withholding info from the rest of their gang, and Gang B retaliates by kidnapping one of the members of Gang A, neither gang leader has clean hands. Sure, the one ordering/doing the kidnapping is probably the dirtiest, but it seems silly to me to try to claim the leader of Gang A is totally without blame for creating the circumstances where Gang B felt the need to retaliate in the first place.

Again, I am not saying Quinn or whoever didn't contribute to pissing Vinnie off, but choosing to kidnap Rio is all on Vinnie. It was his choice. He may have felt driven to it, but he still could have chosen to not do it. I may want to bitch slap my neighbor because he keeps parking his car on my property, but I choose not to do it. If I kidnapped his dog, would I be justified? Would my neighbor have any culpability in my actions? Was any of it his fault? No. I chose to kidnap his dog and it was all on me. Period.

 

[Ricthequick]

Larger gangs have internal factions with separate sub-leaders all the time, and it's not uncommon for conflict and power struggles to occur between them.

I have to agree with the ones saying it's in part also Quinn's fault.
The one actually doing the abducting is Vinnie, so is not like it isn't mainly his fault, he could have picked a different solution.
But the relationships at play are more "complex" than simply, he abducts so he's the only one at fault.

1. Quinn has stolen clients from Vinnie, knowing they were his clients
2. Rio is part of Quinn's "gang", but has been kept in the dark from Quinn about what's happening
3. Even when approached by Rio afraid of being followed, she easily dismiss it and doesn't open up, at that stage neither had any idea who the actual stalker was, but Quinn had already started messing around with Vinnie's "turf"
4. Vinnie shows up with a gun at the halloween party and yet, except for sharing it with Tommy, she doesn't think infoprming her "gang" would be smart.

I have absolutely nothing against Quinn (actually like the character), but she is a manipulative lying b... if you know you are about to potentially start a "gang war", you should at the very least inform the members of your gang.