- May 17, 2020
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Forcing someone to do something can also be manipulative but I don't think manipulation in and of itself is "forcing" because there simply aren't even any threats of use of force involved, especially in this case.
- Nov 27, 2020
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Lily is smart, she sees cheap stuff and buys the stock. Maybe you should learn economics.
Heard B&R has a very reputable economics course.
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- Nov 10, 2020
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Lets not get silly herethen Lily is the culprit
she is the one who stole the customers from Vinnie. her idea, her contacts.
, Quinn still the one that used Lilly's idea and contacts leading to unnerving Vinny and him kidnapping Rio
- Dec 15, 2023
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She's technically not forcing her to do it just manipulating her. Quinn was taught to manipulate others, she's not very skilled with anyone who has a decent mind or has self confidence. She takes advantage of others. Easiest targets are those who are weak willed or lack self esteem. If your not on Quinn's path, the MC becomes her biggest problem since he shows some of the girls they have much more to offer than Quinn makes them think. Look at the change in Rio if your on the others path after the halloween party conversation. She starts to show some confidence by pursuing the MC in a more romantic way instead of just being a sex object. Granted she likes being a sex object but he tells and shows her that she has to be the one to make the change to find something more than just sexual gratification.
- Nov 10, 2020
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What Quinn is doing to Rio and the girls is really no different then what Patrick is doing to Maya, expect the kidnapping wasn't a bluff and no unread loan doc
- Nov 27, 2020
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Patrick hides details, Quinn didn't. Quinn does use unfair means like getting video of Maya to blackmail her (successfully failed), but she did tell them what they are getting into. Mona knew but couldn't cope with it when the time came.
- Nov 10, 2020
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to me it still forcing since the one doing the manipulating is getting what they want from the person who doesn't see any other path then to give in
- Jan 6, 2021
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OK, I know you're going to keep blaming Quinn, no matter what the arguments.Lets not get silly here
That's because you're just an unfair person.
You know that Quinn tried to back out of the deal with Lily, and not have anything to do with her.
But Lily achieved what she wanted with her perseverance.
- Nov 10, 2020
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Quinn makes the girls feel there like they to stupid to do anything else and that they need her, but if you want to say that Quinn was more open ok but I still see it as the same thing thought not perfectly
- Jan 13, 2018
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I understand what everyone is saying here, but this is 100% Vinnie's fault. Vinnie is the one who made the decision to kidnap Rio. Vinnie is the one who committed the act. No one forced him. It's like rape or physical abuse. Do we blame the victim because they wore revealing clothes? Do we blame the wife for pissing off the husband? Do we blame the clothing company for making the clothes? Do we blame the store promoting the clothes? How about the parents? Is it the parents fault? No. The dude who committed the rape made the choice. The husband who hit his wife made the choice. The person who kidnaps someone made the choice.
None of this is Rio's fault. None of this is Quinn's fault. The only one to blame is Vinnie. No one forced or manipulated him to do this. At the end of the day it was all his decision. He could have chosen not to do it, instead HE made the choice to kidnap Rio.
- May 17, 2020
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Quinn is a drug dealer, but if her business crossed paths with Vinnie's, the responsibility lies with Lily who EXPLOITED Quinn's need to get more revenue by MANIPULATING her to accept her proposal.Lets not get silly here
this just to use the 2 verbs you keep using....
- Nov 27, 2020
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I mean she does lure them into prostitution but at the end it was their free will, there was no other choice for them, there isn't any free lunch. It was either college with prostitution or leave college. Cammy, Sarah and Mel has learnt to cope with it, Mona couldn't.
- Nov 27, 2020
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Don't blame Lily for following basics of economics. If two goods are of same quality one should buy the cheaper one. Maybe you should enroll in B&R economics programme rather than blaming Lily.
Nearly all international law recognizes extorsion and blackmail as forms of coercion (like with Mona and she most likely wanted to do with videos of Maya), and using coercion to manipulate someone into prostitution is recognized pretty universally as involuntary or forced prostitution. And forced prostitution is illegal in every country on the planet.Really?
You can't force someone to do something with just words.
For example, I saw then Chip and that other guy trying to convince you that you better stop Alady-posting.
That it's hurting Josy. They tried, but failed. You didn't listen to them.
It's the same with Rio. It's her own choice.
So yeah, it's generally recognized that words used to manipulate can violate someone's free will.
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- Jul 25, 2017
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that is true I just find it hard not to put some of the blame on Quinn like 10% or so of it cause all she really did was poke a bear and ignore a few red flags that could of been nothing.
- Nov 10, 2020
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it isn't free will when you think it your only choice
- Jan 6, 2021
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Right.
Holy Divine Quinn is the victim in this situation.
She has endured so much suffering.
Just stop it.
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- Nov 10, 2020
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That isn't true it always rest with the boss but the try's to blame the Lily. Quinn should had known going with Lily plan backfire she should had known something bad could happen. Quinn not thinking that Vinny might do something crazy is her complete and total failure
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- Nov 27, 2020
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There was a choice to leave college like Steven told Maya. World doesn't end for you if you don't go to college. Like Zoey is fine. Billions of people have never went to college, they are fine. Even Josy had coped up with idea of not going to college before being accepted. At worst Quinn's fault here is to spread rumour that HOTs offer free tuition to their members.