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The Krogan Dude

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If there are two rival gangs with established and agreed territories, the leader of Gang A decides to start encroaching on Gang B territory while withholding info from the rest of their gang, and Gang B retaliates by kidnapping one of the members of Gang A, neither gang leader has clean hands. Sure, the one ordering/doing the kidnapping is probably the dirtiest, but it seems silly to me to try to claim the leader of Gang A is totally without blame for creating the circumstances where Gang B felt the need to retaliate in the first place.
But there's no gang feud in this case. They have the same boss.
 

SteelyDan14

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If there are two rival gangs with established and agreed territories, the leader of Gang A decides to start encroaching on Gang B territory while withholding info from the rest of their gang, and Gang B retaliates by kidnapping one of the members of Gang A, neither gang leader has clean hands. Sure, the one ordering/doing the kidnapping is probably the dirtiest, but it seems silly to me to try to claim the leader of Gang A is totally without blame for creating the circumstances where Gang B felt the need to retaliate in the first place.
Again, I am not saying Quinn or whoever didn't contribute to pissing Vinnie off, but choosing to kidnap Rio is all on Vinnie. It was his choice. He may have felt driven to it, but he still could have chosen to not do it. I may want to bitch slap my neighbor because he keeps parking his car on my property, but I choose not to do it. If I kidnapped his dog, would I be justified? Would my neighbor have any culpability in my actions? Was any of it his fault? No. I chose to kidnap his dog and it was all on me. Period.
 

Ricthequick

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Larger gangs have internal factions with separate sub-leaders all the time, and it's not uncommon for conflict and power struggles to occur between them.
I have to agree with the ones saying it's in part also Quinn's fault.
The one actually doing the abducting is Vinnie, so is not like it isn't mainly his fault, he could have picked a different solution.
But the relationships at play are more "complex" than simply, he abducts so he's the only one at fault.
  1. Quinn has stolen clients from Vinnie, knowing they were his clients
  2. Rio is part of Quinn's "gang", but has been kept in the dark from Quinn about what's happening
  3. Even when approached by Rio afraid of being followed, she easily dismiss it and doesn't open up, at that stage neither had any idea who the actual stalker was, but Quinn had already started messing around with Vinnie's "turf"
  4. Vinnie shows up with a gun at the halloween party and yet, except for sharing it with Tommy, she doesn't think infoprming her "gang" would be smart.
I have absolutely nothing against Quinn (actually like the character), but she is a manipulative lying b... if you know you are about to potentially start a "gang war", you should at the very least inform the members of your gang.
 

Rehwyn

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Again, I am not saying Quinn or whoever didn't contribute to pissing Vinnie off, but choosing to kidnap Rio is all on Vinnie. It was his choice. He may have felt driven to it, but he still could have chosen to not do it. I may want to bitch slap my neighbor because he keeps parking his car on my property, but I choose not to do it. If I kidnapped his dog, would I be justified? Would my neighbor have any culpability in my actions? Was any of it his fault? No. I chose to kidnap his dog and it was all on me. Period.
Don't get me wrong, the vast majority of the blame lies on Vinnie. But I think you're example is a bit of a false equivalence.

Quinn knows Vinnie is dangerous. She likely has reason to suspect that her actions could provoke a disproportional response. But she chooses to take those actions anyways despite the risks it creates (perhaps partially for the benefit of the others that work for her, but certainly significantly for her own benefit). And she doesn't share this with Rio or the others.

So while Vinnie may hold most or all the blame for the actual kidnapping, Quinn has some blame for putting her people at risk.

It's like if I decided to drive my friends through sketchy alleys at night to buy some drugs without letting my friends know why and we get mugged. Obviously the muggers are the main ones to blame, but people are still going to be wondering why the hell I didn't stick to the safer streets.
 

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felicemastronzo

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It very easy to understand, Quinn should had known Vinny wouldn't take it kindly for her moving in on his turf by selling to PR.
Quinn should had been warning the girls to kept an eye out
while Vinnie could imagine that by stealing Quinn's proceeds she would try to get them back and he should also have imagined that selling at a very high price to the pink rose girls would prompt them to look for another seller.

Vinnie's leadership is truly terrible.
 

Darkwen

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while Vinnie could imagine that by stealing Quinn's proceeds she would try to get them back and he should also have imagined that selling at a very high price to the pink rose girls would prompt them to look for another seller.

Vinnie's leadership is truly terrible.
If it wasn't because of the drugs I would say Quinn made a smart move in a business sense, the problems is she isn't selling burgers ( well buns yes:sneaky:) but drugs and the smart business move isn't the smart street move here
 

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i want to play for the first time but not sure what to download, the "interlude season 3" is the full game or do i have to dowload other stuff?
 

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If it wasn't because of the drugs I would say Quinn made a smart move in a business sense, the problems is she isn't selling burgers ( well buns yes:sneaky:) but drugs and the smart business move isn't the smart street move here
If Josy and Maya break up while you're on their path Josy will join Quinn's restaurant so now you'll have to pay $$$ for every new Josy scene...
You may think this a good thing but Quinn will trick Josy as revenge against Maya. She'll blindfold Josy and will convince her it's the MC's dick in the glory hole but it will actually be Jacob's BBC. :eek: Quinn will then send the video to Maya to torture the poor girl.
 
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