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A short but good update for today.

The animation queue is down to 6 animations. After they're completed, I need to post-process them and test the lewd scenes to ensure that they work. After that, beta testing can start, and it will start sometime next week.

The final preview for episode 10 drops on Wednesday, and next Friday will be the final status update before the release date announcement.

This development cycle is about to reach its end.

Have a nice weekend.

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November 10 2023 : finishing up the update

November 10 2024 : finishing up a useless cutscene

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As usual DPC doesn't share this kind of information, nothing concrete at least.

However, I do have reason to believe it will be at least 2 and maybe 3.

The first one is the confirmed Josy/Maya one that will probably break me (in the good way)

Now, anything beyond this point is pure speculation, but I believe there might be two more.

In the reports from 12/01 and 19/01 DPC mentioned he was working on a very big and tricky lewd scene that would feature over 50 animations by itself. He also mentioned it tricky for some spoiler reason, so due to that I believe it's not the J/M threesome since he wouldn't want to reveal it.

DPC also mentioned more recently(not sure when or where unfortunally) that he was also working on a threesome with an unexpected combination of girls, now sure that could be the same scene as from my previous paragraph, but it could also be yet another one.

So yeah, we can't know for sure but at least 2 and maybe even 3.

Maybe of one those is even the game first foursome.
I have a suspicion that the threesome with Josy and Maya in latex might be a short scene. It does look atypical and, judging by the context, it takes place in the interval between the main acts of the episode.

I can imagine MC stopping by to visit them before the Christmas party, and that's the reason for the casual sex. I really don't remember DPC spoiling an important and big threesome scene like that back in the middle of development, whereas he could have made that preview final. I'm probably wrong, but I have a suspicion that this scene will be disappointingly short. I might suggest that Maya won't be involved at all and just hold Josy, lol.

Also, I have a strong feeling that DPC wants to rehabilitate for the last episode, which had little adult content. Basically there were only three good and great scenes in ep10, which were Bella, Nora, and Nicole. I bet that for example the scene with Sage or the scene with Quinn should have been bigger, but he probably counted the rendering time of the animations and decided to remove a few animations to save time. Or he dropped the full Lily scene and replaced it with a blowjob.

So I hope he do not pulls this stunt in the same episode trying to make a release this year. He could just freak out and remove 30% or 40% of the content of the scenes, he'll stack up and release these scenes. I'm willing to wait a few months but get exactly the big scenes like the scene with Bella from last episode.
 
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Dude, you just told me you know very little about this game.

The upcoming EP will have nearly as much content as the first 4 episodes of this game combined.

Doubt me? Check this post from mpa71.

The upcoming update will probably have around 7K statics & over 370 animations.

So yes, it's taking forever, but the updates are colossal, specially compared tot he first episodes.

The episode may not feel as large, but that's due to the branching, but if you actually try to see all the scene it will take quite a while, even if you disable minigames and skip the canon scenes.
That post is not of use to fully compare if development is going slower or not, because we don't know exact numbers of hours spent on development during "dev had regular job" phase.
We can assume "working full time on game" phase as 8 hours per day, 5 days a week, we can deduct holidays and other non working days etc.
But let's count just days, for example
Episode 2, 3 & 4 had 6454 renders and 310 animations - done in 340 days at spare time speed.
Episode 11 - 7000 renders and 380 animations - 338 days and counting at full time speed.
 
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He spends most of his time on low quality animations. His animations are really very primitive and unnatural, and they take 80% of his development and rendering time.
His animations are in fact totally average for VNs, he's at the same level of many other developers that use DAZ to animate. Some others VN developers are able to make better animations with DAZ, it's true, but it's not that DPC's are among the worst. He's average and that's not a problem for this VN.
His animations are mediocre and embarrassing only if you compare them with what skilled people do with Blender/Maya, but those are people focused mostly or only on animations. DPC has so many aspects to deal with, so he cannot excel in anything, he has to to mass-produce as he works alone. Also, I don't think animations take him 80% of the time. A lot of time, indeed, but not 80%. Regarding rendering time, that's true but he has many PCs so they don't block his work. They'll probably be the bottleneck again for the release, because he will have to pose others when he makes the last lewd scenes.

You have also to consider that many (probably most) of his patrons pretend animations, so he has to make them, even if they feel crap if you are used to look at good ones. Then he gradually started feeling too excited doing animations and exceeded, now making long cutscenes that 99% of the players will see once, then skip like a plague in the following replays. People cannot protest on Discord because they'll get banned, so he believes everyone thinks he's the new Kubrick/Sergio Leone/Scorsese.
But consider this: he still produces most content, per year, than the majority of the other developers (also because he has the income to afford it).

So, just deal with it, this is what's going to be and nothing is going to change it, he will never change his workflow. Let's be patient and play other VNs.
 
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November 10 2023 : finishing up the update

November 10 2024 : finishing up a useless cutscene

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Can't deny it, that is depressing lol

I have a suspicion that the threesome with Josy and Maya in latex might be a short scene. It does look atypical and, judging by the context, it takes place in the interval between the main acts of the episode.

I can imagine MC stopping by to visit them before the Christmas party, and that's the reason for the casual sex. I really don't remember DPC spoiling an important and big threesome scene like that back in the middle of development, whereas he could have made that preview final. I'm probably wrong, but I have a suspicion that this scene will be disappointingly short. I might suggest that Maya won't be involved at all and just hold Josy, lol.

Also, I have a strong feeling that DPC wants to rehabilitate for the last episode, which had little adult content. Basically there were only three good and great scenes in ep10, which were Bella, Nora, and Nicole. I bet that for example the scene with Sage or the scene with Quinn should have been bigger, but he probably counted the rendering time of the animations and decided to remove a few animations to save time. Or he dropped the full Lily scene and replaced it with a blowjob.

So I hope he do not pulls this stunt in the same episode trying to make a release this year. He could just freak out and remove 30% or 40% of the content of the scenes, he'll stack up and release these scenes. I'm willing to wait a few months but get exactly the big scenes like the scene with Bella from last episode.
While I do agree that EP 10 was weak lewd wise, I don't think the threesome will be a short scene.

Mostly because it appear to be a scene which had quite the build up towards it with the whole dare game and possibly Josy's hobby searching.

Also, and thats's mainly the fan in me speaking, but I feel that scene will be one of DPC's best from the looks alone.

Besides that I have reason to believe the threesome its the scene that DPC has been working on the last few reports, the one with quite a lot of animations because he tends to share previews of what he is working at the moment.

So yeah, if that's a short scene like you are saying I'm going to be devasted but I don't think that will happen.

It will be at least a medium size scene and most likely a huge one like the J/M threesome in EP 9, AKA best scene of the game so far.

Maybe it will lose it's throne...

About removing certain parts of the game, that's will never happen and it's a useless discusion, this is DPC game and as long as he has that many patreons it won't change.

So much kink shaming today lol

That post is not of use to fully compare if development is going slower or not, because we don't know exact numbers of hours spent on development during "dev had regular job" phase.
We can assume "working full time on game" phase as 8 hours per day, 5 days a week, we can deduct holidays and other non working days etc.
But let's count just days, for example
Episode 2, 3 & 4 had 6454 renders and 310 animations - done in 340 days at spare time speed.
Episode 11 - 7000 renders and 380 animations - 338 days and counting at full time speed.
While the static numbers do match up roughly the animations do not since their duration is quite different, the 3 early episodes you mentioned had a total time of around 16:30 minutes, meanwhile EP 9 and 10 had 25+ mins each as you can see in the post I linked.

So the amount of content is still quite bigger on the newer episodes.

And before you say that there that most of the animations are useless crap, they actually aren't.

EP 10 non lewd animations had a total duration of around 130s at most. And yes that includes the barbecue intro, the zoey run and the car animation.

So most of the animations are for lewd stuff.

Now sure, if he haven't started render the animations in 60fps the update would come out sooner, no discussion there it was a stupid decision then and it's even worse now that all animations are going to have an increased framerate and take even longer to render.

Maybe no, but maybe this chair in MC's room there for a reason:LOL:
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Geralt, I just want you to know, if you happen to be right it's going to be so hilarous to me that I will barely be able to pay attetion to the scene itself lol.

I really can not unsee it now :ROFLMAO:

I don't think there's anyone right now who seriously thinks this episode will come out this year. November 15th the final preview came out, we're two months behind at best. DPС is probably hoping deep down that it will make it this year, but that's impossible.

Unless he's going to release the game without animations like Iсstor did back in the day.

He can say it will take 3 months to render animations and release a version without animations, then 3 months later a version with animations. He'll keep his fans loyal and probably be able to reduce the pressure. I'm willing to bet he's seriously considering it. Either he'll do a poll and the majority will vote that they're willing to wait.

In fact, right now the main hope of many( including myself) is that it will be February. March is probably more realistic, but damn March looks too depressing. The worst part is that he seems to have lost control of the development. I'm willing to bet ep12 might not come out until late 2026. We'll be at a point where it will take almost two years to develop one ep.
While that could be a way to make sure the EP drops this year I believe DPC would never do it. Mostly because he sees every EP as a complete package and a bit of ego as well;

Honestly I would also prefer to wait more and get the full product too because if the update was incomplete it would lose some of the magic in my opinion.

I'm sure DPC will say in a future report how the scope of the episode is so big and awesome that it will be worth the 1+ year wait time and that most of his patreons won't be bothered at all.

So he has even less reasons to do something like that.

What?
I know, I know, there are games for that, but if DPC were to touch it, AND NO, NOT THAT, that would truly be heaven on Earth.
It would sure be something, the reactions from the players alone would be wild lol.

What's DCP's income from Patreon/sales? Enough to make a living from?
We cant know for sure, buts its somewhere between 30 to 88K dollars a month before any kind of Patreon cut and taxes he has tp pay.

Plus he made a shit ton of money in Steam as well selling the first 2 season there. Which now that I think about its probably an incentive for him to finish Season 3 sooner rather than later since that means another payout for him

So yeah, he is living very well at the moment and has been that way for a few years already.
 
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I don't think there's anyone right now who seriously thinks this episode will come out this year. November 15th the final preview came out, we're two months behind at best. DPС is probably hoping deep down that it will make it this year, but that's impossible.

Unless he's going to release the game without animations like Iсstor did back in the day.

He can say it will take 3 months to render animations and release a version without animations, then 3 months later a version with animations. He'll keep his fans loyal and probably be able to reduce the pressure. I'm willing to bet he's seriously considering it. Either he'll do a poll and the majority will vote that they're willing to wait.

In fact, right now the main hope of many( including myself) is that it will be February. March is probably more realistic, but damn March looks too depressing. The worst part is that he seems to have lost control of the development. I'm willing to bet ep12 might not come out until late 2026. We'll be at a point where it will take almost two years to develop one ep.
Until 1 month ago, I was thinking that it would be released in December. Now I hope that maybe a miracle will happen and EP11 will be released in December as a New Year's gift. :confused:
 
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its hard to belive that ep 11 will have a scene with Zoey, another secene with Jade.. some sex with Quinn.... Sally!:love:
Madame Rose..finally some sex with Hether.. threesome with Maya and jose... More of Madame...

Threesome with Bella and Bianca.. (not likely) THREESOME WITH JILL AND BELLA (probably not).... a lewd scene with Karen... THREESOME WITH SALLY AND KAREN (plz dr.PC) .. probley more Madame... NORA <3 (hopefully) and ofcurse the other hots like Sarah, Camilla etc... ep 11 will ether be legendary or OVERLY overhyped... etherway the wait would be worte it if we got a Sally scene.. but probably will get bamboozled with another Madame Rose scene... :confused:
 

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While the static numbers do match up roughly the animations do not since their duration is quite different, the 3 early episodes you mentioned had a total time of around 16:30 minutes, meanwhile EP 9 and 10 had 25+ mins each as you can see in the post I linked.

So the amount of content is still quite bigger on the newer episodes.

And before you say that there that most of the animations are useless crap, they actually aren't.

EP 10 non lewd animations had a total duration of around 130s at most. And yes that includes the barbecue intro, the zoey run and the car animation.

So most of the animations are for lewd stuff.

Now sure, if he haven't started render the animations in 60fps the update would come out sooner, no discussion there it was a stupid decision then and it's even worse now that all animations are going to have an increased framerate and take even longer to render.
I don't know how many single renders each animation have, but even with that into consideration, numbers don't add up. We can add even coding, which is more complicated now with so many branches, and takes more time. We can even add episode 5 into first group, to cover for all that, it still will be short.
Especially considering that until March (which seems to be the most optimistic release date) number of days for episode 11 will count nearly 450. And might even go further. Add to that - number of hours per day have to be largely different, so it will make things even "worse".
I mean, at the end of the day it's not important, it will not deliver us game faster, just debating, it seems to me that he got lazy.
 

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Until 1 month ago, I was thinking that it would be released in December. Now I hope that maybe a miracle will happen and EP11 will be released in December as a New Year's gift. :confused:
he'll either:

A- release it on December 31st just so his yes-men cand defend him and say "look, it still came in 2024" (extremely unlikely)


or what's actually gonna happen:

B- release it somewhere in early 2025, get a shit ton of backlash due to taking over a year, shrug it of cause it's his game to do what he feels like, maybe lose some patrons, same thing happens with ep 12 coming out in 2026, even more backlash, maybe only then he'll slightly humble himself and work out some kind of compromise.
 

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There is no way he can release this in 7 weeks or so. Too much work left. This episode will hit almost 7K renders and 400 60fps animations. Late January is possible, with super quick beta testing.

Still, not so bad. New chapters of Artemis, Eternum and Intertwined are coming out soon.
 

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For me public is any place that another person can easily acess or see from a distance easily.

So all of Maya scenes count being that they take place in a park, a pool and in the party.

Quinn roof scene was efinitely public, I guess your definition is different than mine.
you are right. i agree
i dont have definition. it is just a feeling. i could go in details, but dont want tiring you with it.
yeah sure ! I know, and I don't mind that there are folks who like his Neutral, or Chick personality traits, me personally can't stand it. ;)

Yeah it's amazing when he is like "Pretty please Tommy tell me where are the beers". or even that He call for Dik secret code for Josy and Maya, what btw has been proven dont mean shit for the Diks, instead of kicking his ass what I already did previous so I dont even know who the fuck Tommy think himself to . Not to mention without me, they would have been disbanded.
Show some god damn fucking respect after MC did all for them
now some of them like jacob even dare to doubt about MC ,
" I help you get laid , during the Hots party because you were to pussy to even do anything by yoursel, you just sit in a corner with a beer, before I get rid off the alphas ":p:ROFLMAO:
i agree with the Tommy part. but i disagree with mc did all for them and ask about the Jacob part

first Jacob
had Jacob any sex after we drop out the trash alfas? i dont remember.

second the respect
mc did nothing special. orginized the work on the mansion and worked on mansion as the others. the only extra work what he did is the organizing what is not a big deal.
(i worked in a house what have 6 bedroom, so when i saw the messed mansion, i thought, if you drop out the trash, it looks much better and here is many guy, more than 6 male. strong arms. it could be done.)
I remember that dev had "a patreon goal" (reached long time ago) after which he will quit his regular job and work full time on game to provide faster updates. But it seems updates are delivered slower than before. Even if we count content size, which seems to be slightly larger than in first updates.
yes, it would be good if it faster, but the updates are not so slightly bigger. they are much bigger updates.
 

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Maybe no, but maybe this chair in MC's room there for a reason:LOL:
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Interesting theory, I thought the chair is only useful to get money :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:

No dude lives in a shed and steals internet from fiber optic cables.
DPC:

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B- release it somewhere in early 2025, get a shit ton of backlash due to taking over a year, shrug it of cause it's his game to do what he feels like, maybe lose some patrons, same thing happens with ep 12 coming out in 2026, even more backlash, maybe only then he'll slightly humble himself and work out some kind of compromise.

I want to believe there will be backlash but the fan base from DPC's patreon is truly loyal (this forum is the only place DPC is openly criticized) so sadly it seems he won't lose enough patreons to speed up the future releases even if episode 11 is releases in summer 2025 :cry::cry::cry:
 

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I don't know how many single renders each animation have, but even with that into consideration, numbers don't add up. We can add even coding, which is more complicated now with so many branches, and takes more time. We can even add episode 5 into first group, to cover for all that, it still will be short.
Especially considering that until March (which seems to be the most optimistic release date) number of days for episode 11 will count nearly 450. And might even go further. Add to that - number of hours per day have to be largely different, so it will make things even "worse".
I mean, at the end of the day it's not important, it will not deliver us game faster, just debating, it seems to me that he got lazy.
As far as I know each animation frame count depend on their frame rate and duration.

So for example a 10s 30fps animation will have 300 frames while a 10s 60fps will have 600.

That way the most recent update are bigger even in a wasteful way since their animations are longer and have higher fps making them take longer to render.

Again, making them 60fps was a stupid ass decision, but even if you remove that the most recent updates are much bigger than the first ones which took 4-5 months.

Until 1 month ago, I was thinking that it would be released in December. Now I hope that maybe a miracle will happen and EP11 will be released in December as a New Year's gift. :confused:
I envy that optimism lol

its hard to belive that ep 11 will have a scene with Zoey, another secene with Jade.. some sex with Quinn.... Sally!:love:
Madame Rose..finally some sex with Hether.. threesome with Maya and jose... More of Madame...

Threesome with Bella and Bianca.. (not likely) THREESOME WITH JILL AND BELLA (probably not).... a lewd scene with Karen... THREESOME WITH SALLY AND KAREN (plz dr.PC) .. probley more Madame... NORA <3 (hopefully) and ofcurse the other hots like Sarah, Camilla etc... ep 11 will ether be legendary or OVERLY overhyped... etherway the wait would be worte it if we got a Sally scene.. but probably will get bamboozled with another Madame Rose scene... :confused:
You are being far optimistic.

Zoey can happen, Jade is 100% happening since we have a preview of it, Quinn is likely but Sally? I believe that when it happens, even with that preview.

Madame is probably happening unfortunally, she will likely get an anal scene but hopefully no more than that.

I doubt anything with Heather will happen in this episode too and the Bella/Bianca is never happening, that preview was to mislead us. Also, Bella/Jill is also not happening.

Nora maybe, Sarah is happening and Camilla maybe.

Either way, it will be a big update and many things can happen, so lets wait and se.

he'll either:

A- release it on December 31st just so his yes-men cand defend him and say "look, it still came in 2024" (extremely unlikely)


or what's actually gonna happen:

B- release it somewhere in early 2025, get a shit ton of backlash due to taking over a year, shrug it of cause it's his game to do what he feels like, maybe lose some patrons, same thing happens with ep 12 coming out in 2026, even more backlash, maybe only then he'll slightly humble himself and work out some kind of compromise.
B its much more likely, I even doubt there will be any significant backlash from his patreons at this point.

There is no way he can release this in 7 weeks or so. Too much work left. This episode will hit almost 7K renders and 400 60fps animations. Late January is possible, with super quick beta testing.

Still, not so bad. New chapters of Artemis, Eternum and Intertwined are coming out soon.
Oh yes, this thing ain't dropping before march.

I doubt it will have 400 animations, but it may come quite close, I'm guessing 370ish rn with the current data.

Beta won't be quick though, just look back at EP10 beta, it took 2,5 weeks and it was smaller than this one.

An even bigger update won't take less time and it will probably take 3 weeks to finish it.

you are right. i agree
i dont have definition. it is just a feeling. i could go in details, but dont want tiring you with it.
It's cool, we can have different definitions.


yes, it would be good if it faster, but the updates are not so slightly bigger. they are much bigger updates.
I'm pretty sure he is working full time already for a while now.

Also, yes the updates have been much larger and they haven't stopped growing either.

Interesting theory, I thought the chair is only useful to get money :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:

I want to believe there will be backlash but the fan base from DPC's patreon is truly loyal (this forum is the only place DPC is openly criticized) so sadly it seems he won't lose enough patreons to speed up the future releases even if episode 11 is releases in summer 2025 :cry::cry::cry:
I so want that chair used like that now lol

About the backlash, I doubt it will be anything significant, most of patreons literally don't appear to care about anything in most cases.

We can only hope that the updates size and wait time won't grow anymore to be honest, but that appear to be unlikely at this point.
 
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