Roger-a-Dale

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The Sage is a Burke situation is badly written, but it is not badly imagined. It does not make MC stupid in any way. It makes DPC stupid because he does a poor job of building up to it.

1. It is normal for people at that age to introduce themselves only by their first name. They are trying to establish their own identity as independent adults rather than as members of their family. "Mr. [last name] is my father. Call me [first name]" is a cliche for a reason. The way people learn last names is by hearing a teacher use them and since Sage and MC are not in a class together it is not weird at all that he hasn't heard her last name.

2. Another way people might learn a last name is if a lot of people have the same first name and even then nick names are an option. Case in point: John and John Boy. Sage is not a common first name. On top of that this is fiction and it is down right weird how often every character has a different first name in a work of fiction. Even if those names are really common. This is so expected in fiction that it is not weird at all for Sage to be the only Sage around and so her last name doesn't really matter.

3. Sage despises spoiled rich brats and puts actual effort into distancing herself from the Burkes. She also has a temper so even when people find out about it they most likely get the idea that it is not wise to bring it up and just call Sage by her first name as she prefers. It's quite likely that even the teachers just call her Morgan rather than Morgan-Burke. Personally if I was a teacher and knew what kind of a person Tybalt was, I'd respect Sage's wish for distance and just call her miss Morgan.

4. No doubt people who have been there for a year or more know who Sage is. MC however has only been there two months when he finds out. He is also not the gossiping type that needs to know that kind of stuff about everybody and he is so busy with his own stuff that it's natural for idle curiosity about his friends' family situations to be a low priority.

The situation is completely reasonable. It's the build up that sucks.

1. Sage's last name being Morgan is never mentioned before the actual situation. It would have been really easy to bring it up. Just have Bella say: "I expect you to turn up on time, miss Morgan." There were actually two times Sage was late so that's two golden opportunities missed.

2. The general sentiment of students preferring to use their first names is not shown properly, yet Cathy for example could have dropped some last names in class and that could have been followed up on easily. Making fun of Dawe's last name. Commenting on how unlike Derek and Maya are when hearing them called by their last name draws attention to the fact that they are twins. Asking Josy if her step-brother Tommy's last name has been changed to Taylor. Just have a random student do the cliche "Mr. [last name] is my father. Call me [first name]"

3. DPC is and has been lazy about last names. He didn't have to assign everyone a last name but there should have been a few and so dropping Sage's last name wouldn't have been suspicious. However the worst instance of this failing is MC himself. "Miller" should just be his last name by default and it should be established at the start of the game. There should also be a damn prompt for his first name.

It's a really sloppy flaw in a story that has so many strong points.
 

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The Sage is a Burke situation is badly written, but it is not badly imagined. It does not make MC stupid in any way. It makes DPC stupid because he does a poor job of building up to it.

1. It is normal for people at that age to introduce themselves only by their first name. They are trying to establish their own identity as independent adults rather than as members of their family. "Mr. [last name] is my father. Call me [first name]" is a cliche for a reason. The way people learn last names is by hearing a teacher use them and since Sage and MC are not in a class together it is not weird at all that he hasn't heard her last name.

2. Another way people might learn a last name is if a lot of people have the same first name and even then nick names are an option. Case in point: John and John Boy. Sage is not a common first name. On top of that this is fiction and it is down right weird how often every character has a different first name in a work of fiction. Even if those names are really common. This is so expected in fiction that it is not weird at all for Sage to be the only Sage around and so her last name doesn't really matter.

3. Sage despises spoiled rich brats and puts actual effort into distancing herself from the Burkes. She also has a temper so even when people find out about it they most likely get the idea that it is not wise to bring it up and just call Sage by her first name as she prefers. It's quite likely that even the teachers just call her Morgan rather than Morgan-Burke. Personally if I was a teacher and knew what kind of a person Tybalt was, I'd respect Sage's wish for distance and just call her miss Morgan.

4. No doubt people who have been there for a year or more know who Sage is. MC however has only been there two months when he finds out. He is also not the gossiping type that needs to know that kind of stuff about everybody and he is so busy with his own stuff that it's natural for idle curiosity about his friends' family situations to be a low priority.

The situation is completely reasonable. It's the build up that sucks.

1. Sage's last name being Morgan is never mentioned before the actual situation. It would have been really easy to bring it up. Just have Bella say: "I expect you to turn up on time, miss Morgan." There were actually two times Sage was late so that's two golden opportunities missed.

2. The general sentiment of students preferring to use their first names is not shown properly, yet Cathy for example could have dropped some last names in class and that could have been followed up on easily. Making fun of Dawe's last name. Commenting on how unlike Derek and Maya are when hearing them called by their last name draws attention to the fact that they are twins. Asking Josy if her step-brother Tommy's last name has been changed to Taylor. Just have a random student do the cliche "Mr. [last name] is my father. Call me [first name]"

3. DPC is and has been lazy about last names. He didn't have to assign everyone a last name but there should have been a few and so dropping Sage's last name wouldn't have been suspicious. However the worst instance of this failing is MC himself. "Miller" should just be his last name by default and it should be established at the start of the game. There should also be a damn prompt for his first name.

It's a really sloppy flaw in a story that has so many strong points.
I feel like if Morgan was established beforehand, the twist would ironically be received even more poorly. Not knowing a person's last name can be acceptable, especially if they try not to advertise it, but hyphenated last names are less common. It'd almost be like DPC lied just to make the twist work. How or why would anyone guess that Sage Morgan is secretly Jade's daughter and Tyballs' brother?
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Good morning, coffee time :coffee: :coffee: :coffee:
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We really should have a sticky post that gets updated with the newest info. But people would proberbly still miss it.
Of course they will. Never underestimate the laziness and stupidity of people. :)
Yeah, I watch a lot of Twitch and despite streamers having the game name in the title AND on the screen, people still come in asking what game it is. :FacePalm:
The only way people stop asking about the date of the update would be a giant popup message and to close it you need to write the the whole message :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
One of my few complaints with the game is that most of the LIs are out of the ordinary characters. There are 2 normal college relationships with normal college girls. All the rest are either prostitutes, strippers, teachers, a throuple, drug dealers or a mix of several.
Normal college girls? Jill is a rich heiresss, descendant from one of the founders of the college and Sage is the president of the sole female sorority and (adoptive) daughter of one of the most powerful men in the college... In BaDIK (And the AVN games) there are no normal girls ;);)
What, no love for Lydia?
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Don't worry for her, she is the Derek's main LI :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
If Quinn gets kicked out of the HOTs, or at least loses her position as VP, who do you think will take over and become the new President after Sage?
The most "normal" candidates would be Elena or Heather, but using BaDIK logic the most probable candidate would be one of the girls with path with the MC (Lily, Maya or Josy)
Yeah, OK, you're probably right. :unsure:
Someone bad might say that this dress highlights her saggy boobs. :WeSmart:
Someone could, but not me. :cautious:
I won't say something like that.
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Quinn's happy ending:

Shit hits the fan and Quinn goes on the run, trying to escape her criminal contacts as much as the law. She avoids them all and survives. Years later she tracks MC down and turns up on his doorstep with a bag of groceries. They stare at each other for a while then she says: "I brought broccoli."
- MC: "I don't ask for brocoli in the order, can you check it, please?"
- Maya's voice: "Don't forget to tip the devilverwoman, darling"
- Quinn: :cry::cry::cry::cry::cry:
It's been a long time since I played the beginning without skipping dialogue so I decided to do that this time.
The things your dad says about trouble from second guessing things (his trouble with the law that has been hinted about, maybe?) and especially the line about regretting not using a condom.
Let's play with the idea that the MC has an unknown older sibling, who could that be? I doubt DPC would make it someone you can date, so who could it be? A possibility, and worst-case scenario, would be Tybalt.:eek:
In this case, I would use the "MC is a Burgmeister" theory and Rusty is his older brother
Derek is your son with Maya, but is kidnapped as a newborn by Future Derek to go back in time and make it look like Maya has a twin. While in the past, he changes his name to Neil and meets a girl named Lynette :WeSmart:
Nah, The MC is his own grandfather. Futurama style:
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I feel like if Morgan was established beforehand, the twist would ironically be received even more poorly. Not knowing a person's last name can be acceptable, especially if they try not to advertise it, but hyphenated last names are less common. It'd almost be like DPC lied just to make the twist work. How or why would anyone guess that Sage Morgan is secretly Jade's daughter and Tyballs' brother?
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That is also a point, but having the "she uses Morgan" when she never actually does it is straight up bad writing. The twist might not have been well received, but it wouldn't have been bad writing.

And there would have been ways to hint at Morgan-Burke too.

Bella: I expect you to turn up on time, miss Morgan-

Sage(quickly): Just Morgan! Please. Or just Sage.

Bella: *Incredulous look*

Sage: I don't like being related to... him. Okay? I don't need reminders of that.

Bella: I see. Nevertheless, you are late... Sage.

Sage: Sorry. It won't happen again.

MC: What was that about?
 
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That is also a point, but having the "she uses Morgan" when she never actually does it is straight up bad writing. The twist might not have been well received, but it wouldn't have been bad writing.

And there would have been ways to hint at Morgan-Burke too.

Bella: I expect you to turn up on time, miss Morgan-

Sage(quickly): Just Morgan! Please. Or just Sage.

Bella: *Incredulous look*

Sage: I don't like being related to... him. Okay? I don't need reminders of that.

Bella: I see. Nevertheless, you are late... Sage.

Sage: Sorry. It won't happen again.

MC: What was that about?
"She uses Morgan" was done every badly, I agree. And I like the spirit of your scenario, but maybe not the overt hint towards being related to a certain male though.

It's funny how MC decides to confirm that Josy's name is just Josephine Taylor, but doesn't do that with anyone else. Or think "maybe I should start asking for full names from now on", or anything a bit more proactive to avoid this kind of situation again.
 

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"She uses Morgan" was done every badly, I agree. And I like the spirit of your scenario, but maybe not the overt hint towards being related to a certain male though.

It's funny how MC decides to confirm that Josy's name is just Josephine Taylor, but doesn't do that with anyone else. Or think "maybe I should start asking for full names from now on", or anything a bit more proactive to avoid this kind of situation again.
Yeah Well, you know.
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Roger-a-Dale

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"She uses Morgan" was done every badly, I agree. And I like the spirit of your scenario, but maybe not the overt hint towards being related to a certain male though.

It's funny how MC decides to confirm that Josy's name is just Josephine Taylor, but doesn't do that with anyone else. Or think "maybe I should start asking for full names from now on", or anything a bit more proactive to avoid this kind of situation again.
It could use some fine tuning, but I think I did pretty well for a couple of minutes worth of thinking.:p

And yeah MC not learning a lesson from it is a sign of stupidity even I would accept. Of course the real reason he doesn't do that is because DPC would have to actually give his characters last names and he is too lazy to do that. So MC isn't stupid, DPC is too lazy to let him be smart. It's practically divine intervention.
 

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Currently replaying the game for M&J route. This movie make me curious, any DIKs here can share your theory about this movie?

Clearly it isn't Narnia 1735551710116.jpeg
 
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Poor Derek, everyone thinks he has a baby dick because of the gay guard catcher pic :HideThePain:
It could use some fine tuning, but I think I did pretty well for a couple of minutes worth of thinking.:p

And yeah MC not learning a lesson from it is a sign of stupidity even I would accept. Of course the real reason he doesn't do that is because DPC would have to actually give his characters last names and he is too lazy to do that. So MC isn't stupid, DPC is too lazy to let him be smart. It's practically divine intervention.
I think your first version was pretty succinct.
1. Sage's last name being Morgan is never mentioned before the actual situation. It would have been really easy to bring it up. Just have Bella say: "I expect you to turn up on time, miss Morgan." There were actually two times Sage was late so that's two golden opportunities missed.
Just casually drop in Morgan with no further comment.
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Currently replaying the game for M&J route. This movie make me curious, any DIKs here can share your theory about this movie?

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It's a movie about Chad :KappaPride:
 

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Currently replaying the game for M&J route. This movie make me curious, any DIKs here can share your theory about this movie?

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I went looking a while ago and came to the conclusion its just made up. It has a similar title to some books/movies like Secrets in His Closet, & The Secret in the Closet, but nothing exactly the same.
 

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Poor Derek, everyone thinks he has a baby dick because of the gay guard catcher pic :HideThePain:
Derek says something about it shrinking in the cold and I think Leon remarks that it's a poor excuse when running next to MC. I usually just fast forward that part so I don't remember it word for word, but I really wanted to include this after that remark:

MC: Well it's true. That is me shrinking in the cold.

I think your first version was pretty succinct.

Just casually drop in Morgan with no further comment.
Yes, it's more natural. The second was really just to show that you could also drop hints to Sage's actual last name, so that the reveal doesn't come out of nowhere.
 

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Wow! Collective mind at work! Thanks. One more thing to look forward to in this game!
There's also that tries to note the physical similarities between the two girls (eyes and hands), but take it with a grain of salt.
Yes, it's more natural. The second was really just to show that you could also drop hints to Sage's actual last name, so that the reveal doesn't come out of nowhere.
Sure, but any hint that Sage has some familial connection we're unaware of at that point would have a decent number of people guess she's a Burke, which already happened without Morgan.
 
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Sure, but any hint that Sage has some familial connection we're unaware of at that point would have a decent number of people guess she's a Burke, which already happened without Morgan.
the main clue why we considered Sage to be Jade's daughter was the scene where Jade throws the family portraits at Burke, where we see 2 portraits, one of which is Tybalt and the other remains hidden, scene which of course Mc doesn't see.


that Sage used the name Morgan was a novelty added on the run to make the whole thing less unbelievable.
 
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