VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[Holy Bacchus]

No we are literally arguing the exact same point except Holy Bacchus seems to think Rusty got cut off permanently and I don't think he did.

I don't think that, I just said "Rusty" when I mean "the DIKs". When I said "Rusty is cut off", I meant in terms of being cut off from the funding to support the DIKs, not from his own money.

I think we just got some wires crossed here.

You do realize we are arguing the same point only you said Rusty got cut off and I say he didn't, right?

I do now. Just thought that when I said "Rusty" in this context, it would be known what I meant.

 

[Ghostly Hale]

Aka instant gratification vs long-term rewards. Yes, right Dik is the better choice if you want sex but I expect that to turn around later in development.

It's why I have mulitiple saves.

You don't need multiple saves. Just edit you score using DIK = XXX or CHICK = XXX

 

[Cndyrvr4lf]

I do now. Just thought that when I said "Rusty" in this context, it would be known what I meant.

I can only understand what you type. You said Rusty not the DIK's

 

[ThatGuyWho]

You don't need multiple saves. Just edit you score using DIK = XXX or CHICK = XXX

And where is the gratification that comes from playing this beauty multiple times? It's not like it really that time consuming.

 

[xsssssssss]

Maybe, but I think Quinn is pretty hooked. She is clearly using some fairly hard stuff, harder than anything we've seen Riona use. Based on the scene at the start of Episode 2, she had to talk Tommy into using whatever they injected. She can say it isn't addictive, but I wouldn't trust her word on that when she was sober, much less when she was high!

On top of that, Quinn's actions are, IMHO, the most unhinged of the known drug users. Sure, Tommy is a complete jackass freeloading off others, but that feels more like entitlement than addiction. And even he realized her plan to ditch the DIKs was doomed to failure. Riona has been calling out Quinn's idiocy since we first learned there was a problem.

Quinn, meanwhile, thought she could solve the problem of telling Tommy by avoiding him. She tried to sell drugs to Tybalt, and was only saved from her own stupidity by the fact Tybalt pawned her off on Rich. She is, to all appearances, trying to bring Ashley and Maya into her prostitution ring, and based on how she handled Mona's defection, doesn't have much of a plan if they spill the beans.

People will often do irrational things, so it could just be that Quinn is headstrong and unable to face consequences. But that doesn't mean the drugs aren't playing a part, too. It certainly wouldn't surprise me to learn the root of her shortage is that Quinn has been using more and more drugs to cope with all the problems coming up.

The drug arc is only just getting started, so we'll see where it goes. But I don't think it's coincidence that Quinn is at its center.

There could be things we're not seeing in the drug arc. I'm not so sure Quinn's unhinged or using but rather trying to paddle as fast as she can out of vortex that may be of someone else's making. (Think there's too much weirdness going on in terms of finances for it merely to be personal use causing issues)

 

[Holy Bacchus]

I can only understand what you type. You said Rusty not the DIK's

I know, this is why I sometimes don't like non-verbal communication because it's hard to know what a person really means at times.

Anyway, sorry for getting worked up about all that. Hope we're still good?

 

[kirkout]

View attachment 515245
How should I unlock "Find Sarah" option.
I buyed the sexual offer from Quinn.
Why it is locked

Did you ever figure this out? I have the same issue. When I check the status at the end it says I fucked her but I obviously didn't.
Thanks

 

[chronomate]

If choices of the MC are going to matter, then at some stage life has to go on for the LIs not chosen along a different path.

In the real world, sure. In fiction, I disagree.

In the real world, all these characters have their own lives that continue with or without MC. But in fiction, they don't. In fiction, characters are only relevant to the story being told. The story of MC. Anyone who exists outside of that story, essentially, doesn't exist at all.

Which brings me to...

In the case of Sage, if MC does not pursue her, does it mean she will stay with Chad indefinitely instead or will that breakup still occur regardless, making whatever the MC does or doesn't do largely inconsequential?

What happens to Sage and Chad if your MC doesn't get involved? Nothing. You, the player, have made the choice not to bring them into your story. As such, whatever path their theoretical lives may take is of no relevance to your MC. You have chosen to omit them from your story.

Making the Sage/Chad story continue without MC would, I agree, make his choices inconsequential. Making the story simply go away, unfinished, because MC has no reason to be invested and thus neither do we as the player, makes MC's actions of paramount importance, as it literally determines which characters get a place in the story at all. DPC doesn't need to write versions where characters' lives go when MC isn't involved, because it's MC's story. If MC isn't involved, they don't matter.

 

[Cndyrvr4lf]

I know, this is why I sometimes don't like non-verbal communication because it's hard to know what a person really means at times.

Anyway, sorry for getting worked up about all that. Hope we're still good?

I never hate anyone. Not worth the energy consumption. I'm an old school raver dude. "PLUR" is my life motto. "Peace, Love, Unity, Respect" We're still good.

Edit - Yeah can't read tone.

 

[Holy Bacchus]

I never hate anyone. Not worth the energy consumption. I'm an old school raver dude. "PLUR" is my life motto. "Peace, Love, Unity, Respect" We're still good.

Edit - Yeah can't read tone.

To be fair, it's not just tone, I should have been clearer in what I wrote so the blame's all on me. Probably would have avoided all those long rants if I had been.

 

[Darkmetal]

There's no reason why you shouldn't be able to help her on the Dik or that the type of help should equate to a chick choice.

I agree. I think a lot of people conflate Affinity with morality, which doesn't have to be the case at all.

Who else fucks every every girl he can and is more than happy to get into a fist fight with anyone from Kingons to Gorns?
Captain James T Kirk = DIK
Who never got laid in 7 seasons and prefers diplomacy over fights whenever possible?
Captain Jean Luc Picard = CHICK

It's a difference in personality and attitude, not about making "good" vs "evil" choices.

 

[Mormont]

I never hate anyone. Not worth the energy consumption. I'm an old school raver dude. "PLUR" is my life motto. "Peace, Love, Unity, Respect" We're still good.

Edit - Yeah can't read tone.

Give it a week Other users will get what I mean

 

[Cndyrvr4lf]

To be fair, it's not just tone, I should have been clearer in what I wrote so the blame's all on me. Probably would have avoided all those long rants if I had been.

Meh I do it too. I realized like our 2nd or 3rd message in that we were arguing almost the same thing

 

[ename144]

In the real world, sure. In fiction, I disagree.

In the real world, all these characters have their own lives that continue with or without MC. But in fiction, they don't. In fiction, characters are only relevant to the story being told. The story of MC. Anyone who exists outside of that story, essentially, doesn't exist at all.

Which brings me to...



What happens to Sage and Chad if your MC doesn't get involved? Nothing. You, the player, have made the choice not to bring them into your story. As such, whatever path their theoretical lives may take is of no relevance to your MC. You have chosen to omit them from your story.

Making the Sage/Chad story continue without MC would, I agree, make his choices inconsequential. Making the story simply go away, unfinished, because MC has no reason to be invested and thus neither do we as the player, makes MC's actions of paramount importance, as it literally determines which characters get a place in the story at all. DPC doesn't need to write versions where characters' lives go when MC isn't involved, because it's MC's story. If MC isn't involved, they don't matter.

I disagree. Everything in a story ultimately happens at the whim of the author, but that doesn't mean the story need not concern itself with anything that happens beyond sight of the player. Attending to the actions of those off-screen, or following up on the consequences of actions previously taken, is part of building up the world the story takes place in.

Yes, an MC might choose not to become Sage's fuck buddy. But that doesn't mean the MC can't have other interactions with Sage, and it certainly doesn't mean the player isn't interested in what happens to her.

Making the Sage/Chad story continue without the MC only obviates our choices if the story plays out the same way in each case. If it plays out differently (say, either Sage becomes our girlfriend in one version, and Chad becomes a decent boyfriend to Sage in the other), that not only preserves the value of our choice, it also gives us more insight into the characters and ties up loose ends the player might otherwise wonder about.

If the whole Sage/Chad drama is dropped without any explanation for those who don't pursue Sage, it wastes all the time spent building it up in the first place. Better to give it some sort of resolution, even if it turns out not to be a primary focus.

 

[Cndyrvr4lf]

Give it a week Other users will get what I mean

Ok but you got to explain it to me in week. I'm lost

 

[Cndyrvr4lf]

I agree. I think a lot of people conflate Affinity with morality, which doesn't have to be the case at all.

Who else fucks every every girl he can and is more than happy to get into a fist fight with anyone from Kingons to Gorns?
Captain James T Kirk = DIK
Who never got laid in 7 seasons and prefers diplomacy over fights whenever possible?
Captain Jean Luc Picard = CHICK

It's a difference in personality and attitude, not about making "good" vs "evil" choices.

You sir are a genius with that analogy. I bow to you and your superior intellect. Both of them still do good but one certainly has a lot more "Style".

Edit - I want to be Kirk

 

[ename144]

I agree. I think a lot of people conflate Affinity with morality, which doesn't have to be the case at all.

Who else fucks every every girl he can and is more than happy to get into a fist fight with anyone from Kingons to Gorns?
Captain James T Kirk = DIK
Who never got laid in 7 seasons and prefers diplomacy over fights whenever possible?
Captain Jean Luc Picard = CHICK

It's a difference in personality and attitude, not about making "good" vs "evil" choices.

Hang on, you seriously expect me to believe Picard didn't get laid in Lessons? Ridiculous!

Good point otherwise.

 

[Tserriednich'sNen]

After finishing my Maya & Josy route playthrough I find it fucking hilarious how their tasks not including the sexual ones are pretty much just a shopping list for Quinn lmao she's such a scumbag. I hope she doesn't come to my MC for any sort of help because she isn't getting shit. When she inevitably gets her self in deep shit she'll be on her own.

 

[lemonfreak]

Hang on, you seriously expect me to believe Picard didn't get laid in Lessons? Ridiculous!

Good point otherwise.

And Beverly.

I suppose Inner Light doesn't count though.

 

[Mormont]

Ok but you got to explain it to me in week. I'm lost

Till the next debate, you just had this game seems to bring out the fiercest of debates in us sometimes we will be right or wrong and things get lost in translation.