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f96zonetrooper

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my save file is not working
At what point in the game and with which version did you save?

I noticed that save games at points in episodes 1-4 may have problems with finding a rollback position because of changes in the script so that Ren'Py may crash on loading. However loading games from end of ep.4 and of ep.5 so far was no problem with an unmodified version.
 

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Actually it's a terrible example even in case of this particular point being defying for affinity because yeah, MC might be talking to them after smoking a weed and despite that he'd be no longer high they could easily smell it. Not to mention some possible drawback, bloodshot eyes a bit etc.
Ok, scratch the weed stuff.
You didn't smoke weed, but you were a jerk to Steve.
Maya don't know Steve exists and Josy quit the job so she don't have contact with him whatsoever, so the only possibility of they knowing about that was Steve coming all the way to B&R to rat out on the MC behavior (even then who would believe in fucking Steve over the MC?)

So know once again:
I have 12 DIK points and was a jerk to Steve, Maya&Josy reject me.

I have 12 DIK points and wasn't a jerk to Steve, Maya&Josy accept me.

How would they know about that? And there's even more examples like, like accepting Jade in the classroom.

And about what they know, the affinity system is ok with you fucking two girls in a bathroom, but fighting a bunch of guys who were going to beat the shit out of you is wrong.
 

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For example, take 2 guys: first one fucks every girl living around him, and second one is a guy who truly believe in monogamy and love. Both guys can speak with a girl they like with the same approach, and talk with a same nice words. However, girls can determine which one is just sweet talker, and which one is sincere, speaks from the bottom of his heart. It is noticeable on how they talk, how they look into the eyes. It is impossible to show in a video game, but it exists in real life.
Yeah that reasoning has some flaws, because apparently fucking everyone with tits around you don't matter to the affinity system and to the girls, but beating the crap out of jocks (who were going to beat the crap out of you if you didn't fled) does.
 

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I always took that scene as a clear indication Quinn was lying to Tommy. If Quinn was willing to slap Riona, I very much doubt she would avoid correctly blaming Riona for the shortfall just to preserve her feelings. To me, the picture we get is that Quinn knows what caused the shortfall, but will not admit it even to her close allies.

The most likely explanation in that case is that Quinn herself is cause, probably by using drugs without paying. We know she uses high quality drugs (at least by her and Riona's estimation), and Quinn's business skills are looking pretty bad. So I could definitely see her smoking/injecting her way into bigger trouble. In fact, the whole drug dealing job might have started as an excuse to get drugs herself; now she is now forced to try it for real thanks to the shortfall, with predictable results.

We might see more in Episode 6, when Quinn needs to pay her dealer. Otherwise, it's just one more topic for speculation.
I'm not sure if it's Quinn either or she's been high while counting it all we've only seen her inject twice I think? and there was the smoking on the roof I can't recall any other times I've seen her smoke? but to me, she just doesn't have those junkie traits and looking for that next hit like it's going out of fashion. I'd just find it even more stupid if she was using up most of the merchandise it's not exactly the best business move.
 
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I didn't get that either her drug dealer can't really be very serious and can't get access to anything else it feels like there are a few plotholes with this I hope they get cleared up because as you say not being able to get hold of the likes of cocaine but she can inject some drugs just doesn't add up.
It might make sense, if we assume Quinn only has the type of drugs she herself uses. She doesn't have something like coke because she had no interest in it and never asked about it.

In other words, Quinn is mostly just a drug user and is still an amateur drug dealer.


For what possible reason would she lie about it? She knew she was in trouble in this update and needed that money from the preps she may lie about other things but I don't think she's lying here.
What would she gain by telling the truth? Tommy was pissed at her already, telling him SHE was the reason they needed to ditch the Hell Week party would only make it worse. There's also the possibility Quinn cannot accept the truth (that she has a serious drug problem), and thus is lying to herself as much as she is to Tommy.

I certainly consider either of those explanations more likely than her not only giving Riona a free ride, but never mentioning that fact to a defiant Riona.
 
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I want to add my thoughts on affinity system. What does it mean the affinity? I understand it as a soul, sincerity. The way how you behave based on your actions.

For example, take 2 guys: first one fucks every girl living around him, and second one is a guy who truly believe in monogamy and love. Both guys can speak with a girl they like with the same approach, and talk with a same nice words. However, girls can determine which one is just sweet talker, and which one is sincere who speaks from the bottom of his heart. It is noticeable on how they talk, how they look into the eyes. It is impossible to show in a video game, but it exists in real life.

The same goes to other parts of actions, if you willingly try to punch a guy, or smoke weed, or just be an asshole to someone who is in trouble, then you are not nice person, even if you consider yourself otherwise. And, it is not necessary for people to witness your bad behaviour, they would just feel that you are not nicest person, even though you do nice things for them.
Further to that, there's the reputational damage that comes from actually being a nice person then acting like a douche bag to impress your bros. Take the weed choice, getting high is not a Dik choice imo (I'm pro-legalisation and taxation of all narcotics with the money raised being used to fund free-at-point-of-delivery rehab facilities) but publically getting high on a college campus where narcotics are banned with Quinn who is a clear antogonist to 2 or 3 of your LIs (Maya, Josy and, to a lesser extent, Sage) is because it indicates to them that you can't be entirely trusted.
 

f96zonetrooper

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Ok, scratch the weed stuff.
You didn't smoke weed, but you were a jerk to Steve.
Maya don't know Steve exists and Josy quit the job so she don't have contact with him whatsoever, so the only possibility of they knowing about that was Steve coming all the way to B&R to rat out on the MC behavior (even then who would believe in fucking Steve over the MC?)

So know once again:
I have 12 DIK points and was a jerk to Steve, Maya&Josy reject me.

I have 12 DIK points and wasn't a jerk to Steve, Maya&Josy accept me.

How would they know about that? And there's even more examples like, like accepting Jade in the classroom.

And about what they know, the affinity system is ok with you fucking two girls in a bathroom, but fighting a bunch of guys who were going to beat the shit out of you is wrong.
Maybe it is as in "The picture of Dorian Gray"?
All (major) actions leave a small trace in mc's face and slightly alter his physiognomy. After too many DIK choices he looks like a DIK and becomes less attractive to neutral/CHICK character who may be put off.
 

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And the affinity argument has been going long enough for now, apparently some people are ok with and others, myself included, aren't.

That's fine, i just dislike the fact that i will need to play the game from the beggining at some point to change my major decisions, because it will forcefully lock me out of some paths disregarding every minor choice or relationship point.
 

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What would she gain by telling the truth? Tommy was pissed at her already, telling him SHE was the reason they needed to ditch the Hell Week party would only make it worse. There's also the possibility Quinn cannot accept the truth (that she has a serious drug problem), and thus is lying to herself as much as she is to Tommy.
But then you are assuming this is all happening off-screen that she is using more drugs than she should be but we've seen no sign of her doing that apart from those times we've seen her doing it. For a plot that big you'd think we'd have at least seen more of this drug use from her.
 

f96zonetrooper

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And the affinity argument has been going long enough for now, apparently some people are ok with and others, myself included, aren't.

That's fine, i just dislike the fact that i will need to play the game from the beggining at some point to change my major decisions, because it will forcefully lock me out of some paths disregarding every minor choice or relationship point.
AfaIk the game is designed to be played several times to unlock all content. If DPC drops affinity and status system he will come up with another choice system to split the available content into several paths. If you could get all content in one playthrough, it would actually be a Harem game which is not intended.
 

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AfaIk the game is designed to be played several times to unlock all content. If DPC drops affinity and status system he will come up with another choice system to split the available content into several paths. If you could get all content in one playthrough, it would actually be a Harem game which is not intended.
I didn't say that you need to get all content in a playthrought, my problem is that you will be forced out of a route because you choose an affinity.

For example, in my very first playthrought, I needed play again to change some actions because i was forced out of Maya&Josy path because of affinity, but i was pursuing Maya&Josy path in that playthrought and in the end, it didn't matter all the RP i got with both.
 

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Yeah that reasoning has some flaws, because apparently fucking everyone with tits around you don't matter to the affinity system and to the girls, but beating the crap out of jocks (who were going to beat the crap out of you if you didn't fled) does.
IIRC you can't fuck any sidekick HOTs if you do not agree for Quinn's services, which did matter for affinity services. The same goes to girls from strip club. Only Lily is an exception.

And, also it based on DPC's perception, if you fuck a girl without committing to someone else is not a Dik move unless you pay for sexual services. However, when we establish serious relationship with some of Li's, but fuck someone else, I guess it will start affecting our affinity as well. We will see. M&J are still an open relationship as Maya suggested.
 
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I always took that scene as a clear indication Quinn was lying to Tommy. If Quinn was willing to slap Riona, I very much doubt she would avoid correctly blaming Riona for the shortfall just to preserve her feelings. To me, the picture we get is that Quinn knows what caused the shortfall, but will not admit it even to her close allies.

The most likely explanation in that case is that Quinn herself is cause, probably by using drugs without paying. We know she uses high quality drugs (at least by her and Riona's estimation), and Quinn's business skills are looking pretty bad. So I could definitely see her smoking/injecting her way into bigger trouble. In fact, the whole drug dealing job might have started as an excuse to get drugs herself; now she is now forced to try it for real thanks to the shortfall, with predictable results.

We might see more in Episode 6, when Quinn needs to pay her dealer. Otherwise, it's just one more topic for speculation.
This was basically my take on it. Quinn liked to party but she’s shitty at running a business. She found a partner in crime in Tommy who gave her a place to safely party under Rusty’s protection. She came up with a plan and sold Mel/Sarah/Riona on it with free tuition and it worked for a while. Riona comments how this whole drugs and prostitution thing used to work but they need to get out whilst they’re ahead. I think Quinn tried to expand too fast and it’s failing. It’s a tale as old as time for new “businesses”. Her costs (free tuition, running the sorority and drugs to party) aren’t keeping up with her income.

So she’s floundering. Dealing more drugs to more people. Bringing in more
and more girls. They bring more fees so she needs more working girls. She starts screwing the Alphas with sugar pills. God knows what she’s doing with her drug dealer.

Shes burning bridges with Tommy for short term cash. It’s classic behaviour for someone spiralling in debt. I can see her getting desperate to stay afloat. Doing anything. I bet she’s embezzling HOTs fees already and it’s going to explode.
 

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I install new 5.0 do all your steps, put all 5.1 files in /game folder + manually 3 rpa files, and still my version is 5.0
Did you overwrite/replace the 5.0 files with the 5.1 files?
Did you adjust the filenames since upload/download adds these long numbers as prefix to filenames?
 

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I didn't say that you need to get all content in a playthrought, my problem is that you will be forced out of a route because you choose an affinity.

For example, in my very first playthrought, I needed play again to change some actions because i was forced out of Maya&Josy path because of affinity, but i was pursuing Maya&Josy path in that playthrought and in the end, it didn't matter all the RP i got with both.
I must've missed something because you can't be complaining that your choices have consequences, surely?

This is why most people have multiple playthroughs.
 

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This was basically my take on it. Quinn liked to party but she’s shitty at running a business. She found a partner in crime in Tommy who gave her a place to safely party under Rusty’s protection. She came up with a plan and sold Mel/Sarah/Riona on it with free tuition and it worked for a while. Riona comments how this whole drugs and prostitution thing used to work but they need to get out whilst they’re ahead. I think Quinn tried to expand too fast and it’s failing. It’s a tale as old as time for new “businesses”. Her costs (free tuition, running the sorority and drugs to party) aren’t keeping up with her income.

So she’s floundering. Dealing more drugs to more people. Bringing in more
and more girls. They bring more fees so she needs more working girls. She starts screwing the Alphas with sugar pills. God knows what she’s doing with her drug dealer.

Shes burning bridges with Tommy for short term cash. It’s classic behaviour for someone spiralling in debt. I can see her getting desperate to stay afloat. Doing anything. I bet she’s embezzling HOTs fees already and it’s going to explode.
Yeah Heather comments on it while talking to Riona on the couch the morning after the ANO party. That the work and the fees they pay should be enough to pay for stuff. However, she thinks it's Sage's "Bad Leadership Choices" instead of Quinn's actions.
 
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To play Devil's Advocate:
1 But somebody may have asked him about his black eye offscreen.
2 Not getting the number, actually calling - the girls might talk among themselves how the experience was.
4 Led to the destroying of the Delta Iota Kappa mansion, people may get inquisitive about the chain of events. Also, the whole campus can see the beef between MC and the Triple-Alphas on Rooster.
5 We now have one of the Pink Rose strippers on campus.
6 You can elect to tell Derek, and it may come up during the board evaluation. I wouldn't know, I did not tell Derek and let him have fun with the old lady. ;)
The thing is that it's not even really about reputation. Some people are interpreting it that way as a way of making sense as to why certain action are locked behind affinity and why M&J would reject the MC if he has DIK affinity, but none of these actions could really inform any kind of reputation for the MC considering that around half of them are likely unknown and the others aren't exactly enough to paint a picture of who he really is.

The walkthrough says that affinity is a measure of the MC's personality and that status is a measure of his mood, but even though this is the official line, it still doesn't stand up given what we know and what we've seen. Throughout the game, he can take "nicer/calmer/more mature actions" yet somehow have a DIK personality, but if you have a personality like that then you're probably more likely to take the "meaner/edgier/impulsive actions". This is where the disconnect between these 2 metrics is; that the greater number of actions and decisions that the MC can take can not reflect what their personality is supposed to be.

So, for M&J, if you do all the positive things with them, they should see the MC in a positive light because he has been nothing but good to them. They have no reason, in this scenario, to see him as having a personality they don't like and for it to be why they reject him. But then, ep 5 completely undercuts the idea that they rejected him for his personality/reputation because they reveal they still have feelings for him and were just worried about what it would mean if they expressed them. So it essentially had nothing to do with the affinity, with the MC's personality, and really makes you wonder why him having an affinity in the other direction magically makes them more willing to admit their feelings.

The fact is that the affinity and status systems do not match up properly. The actions that affect the status bar are a far greater representation of who he is than the affinity choices because they more directly involve the other characters and his actions with them would more accurately inform their opinion of him.
 

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This was basically my take on it. Quinn liked to party but she’s shitty at running a business. She found a partner in crime in Tommy who gave her a place to safely party under Rusty’s protection. She came up with a plan and sold Mel/Sarah/Riona on it with free tuition and it worked for a while. Riona comments how this whole drugs and prostitution thing used to work but they need to get out whilst they’re ahead. I think Quinn tried to expand too fast and it’s failing. It’s a tale as old as time for new “businesses”. Her costs (free tuition, running the sorority and drugs to party) aren’t keeping up with her income.

So she’s floundering. Dealing more drugs to more people. Bringing in more
and more girls.
They bring more fees so she needs more working girls. She starts screwing the Alphas with sugar pills. God knows what she’s doing with her drug dealer.

Shes burning bridges with Tommy for short term cash. It’s classic behaviour for someone spiralling in debt. I can see her getting desperate to stay afloat. Doing anything. I bet she’s embezzling HOTs fees already and it’s going to explode.
See that's where i disagree. If the scheme was profitable, suddenly needing to expand/sell bad merchandise doesn't make a lot of sense. If suddenly there's a new factor(my guess extortion) why she has to rob peter to pay paul that makes a lot more sense. Looking forward to learn exactly what's going on in future episodes and hopefully come to her aid.
 
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  1. Fighting Troy - Possibly known if Troy said anything to anyone, but being a typical guy, he probably didn't tell
  2. Getting Quinn's number for her menu service - Unknown
  3. Being nice to Steve - Unknown
  4. Fighting the Jocks - Possibly known if the Jocks say anything, but much like Troy, they probably wouldn't want people to know that this upstart freshman went toe-to-toe with them
  5. Partying at the Pink Rose - Unknown because the DIKs going to the Pink Rose isn't meant to be known outside of the DIKs
  6. Accepting Jade's advances - Unknown
  7. Smoking weed - Partially known, but unlikely to really be that big of a deal on a college campus
  8. Fighting Caleb - Likely to become known
  9. Punching Tybalt - Very likely to become known
#1 is absolutely known - because it comes up when you see him in the cafeteria later. I think Bella was there for that one, and we know #9 is. If he's willing to cry about you to Jill, somebody he's avidly trying to impress, he wouldn't likely admit to getting his ass handed to him. But it's You (the MC), his main rival, so yeah, that story is going to spread, and he uses it with Jill to try and demean you. He finally gets to play the victim card for sympathy.

What a hell is your problem?
This is just a game! A hell of a nice game! It is just for fun! All We know that is not real! The choices is not real? Ok. The girls reacting is not real? No problem. Is this just a game! I've never seen any of descrisptions of a simulator!
Thank you for the laugh. I immediately thought of this clip:
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See that's where i disagree. If the scheme was profitable, suddenly needing to expand/sell bad merchandise doesn't make a lot of sense. If suddenly there's a new factor why she has to rob peter to pay paul that makes a lot more sense. Looking forward to learn exactly what's going on in future episodes and hopefully come to her aid.
Isn't it that the free tuition rumour happened and they suddenly got more pledges that they normally would. The free tuition was being covered by the prostitution but now there are new pledges who don't even know about that yet but still want to try and claim the benefit.

Suddenly finding the costs increasing in one area has forced Quinn to expand elsewhere and the area she's been forced to expand is the one where she has less control. As far as I can remember, Quinn hasn't actually expressed a desire to get rich off her schemes so as far as we know it could all be a genuine effort to make the HOTs sorority a success for years to come.
 
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