VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[jackofshadows]

There's a disparity here between the two different metrics when you have a vast majority of choices being made which directly affect the relationships with certain characters being outweighed by fewer choices that may not accurately the reflect the sum total of those minor choices. It's like if someone were to devote their entire lives to doing good in the world by helping the poor, raising money for charities, giving back to their community, etc, but because they once used an illegal drug in their teenage years that suddenly makes them a bad person and negates everything else they've done. Many of these major choices aren't even all that bad either, so why not being nice to Steve or smoking weed should somehow tip the scale of the MC's personality when he's potentially been a generally good guy is a bit odd.

That's why I said system (affi+status) will work better later on. And why you're talking about bad/good metric? That would be quite boring and not exactly correct interpretation of DIK/CHICK system. I'd say even in both polar cases he's somewhat party colege handsome boi but it's up to him how exactly roll, or should I say "roll with whom". That's why I'm not having problem with DIK-affi MC get rejected by M/J (good riddance) as well as with inability to make gated behind DIK-affi actions by CHICK/NEUTRAL MC (why would he?).

Also, while we're talking about affinity and even recognizing that RP system is basically insignificant don't forget about other game's variables i.e. the fact that some choices which are not related to any of these systems could also matter in the future. That's why affinity is more like a roleplay tool for me - not everything will be riding on it.

 

[saberrider]

Hey guys I've reached the scene at the library with Josy and Maya but I'm only getting 2 options: ask for something more or friendship. Is there no option to tell them to stay away (at least Maya) or am I missing something?

 

[AvatarStormBringer]

Hey guys I've reached the scene at the library with Josy and Maya but I'm only getting 2 options: ask for something more or friendship. Is there no option to tell them to stay away (at least Maya) or am I missing something?

Nope you are not missing anything at this point.

 

[lemonfreak]

It would seem so. Speaking of drugs, how does the addiction work? Does it kick in after the first taste? Anyone knows?

PS. If you wish to contribute anonymously, especially on the drug topic, use the ISPOILER tag to block out your username first

No drug kicks in so hard on your first use that you are then a slave to it, that is a myth which needs to die. People have problems in their lives and look for escapes, drugs just happen to be a particularly effective one but you could also sink into alcoholism, sex-addiction, chronic workaholism, a self destructive work out regime or, in the extreme, becoming the 45th president

In all of those cases, the solution is to remove the problem, not the addiction which is, in most cases, a symptom of the underlying issue. I'm drinking too much because I'm fuloughed and bored but I'm not an alcoholic because on the days when I have something to do I don't even think about alchohol, let alone consume any.

DPC's drug may work like that but if so then he's not as good a writer as I think he is.

 

[AvatarStormBringer]

No drug kicks in so hard on your first use that you are then a slave to it, that is a myth which needs to die. People have problems in their lives and look for escapes, drugs just happen to be a particulary efective one but you could also sink into alcoholism, sex-addiction, chronic workaholism, a self destructive work out regime or, in the extreme, becoming the 45th president

In all of those cases, the solution is to remove the problem, not the addiction which is, in most cases, a symptom of the underlying issue. I'm drinking too much because I'm fuloughed and bored but I'm not an alcoholic because on the days when I have something to do I don't even think about alchohol, let alone consume any.

DPC's drug may work like that but if so then he's not as good a writer as I think he is.

You just described all the characters in the game, and some not in the game. The game hasn't tell us much about John boy, Elena and Heather to know why they need to escape though, maybe just recreational use. Tommy on the other hand is just a true addict, using someone's money to buy drugs for his own use.

In DPC's defense, we can smoke weed the first time and reject Riona the second time so there, not an addict just like you said. Come to think of it, I tried smoking and drinking but they didn't stick, but gaming is another totally different monster all together .

So all in all, we need to save Quinn, and cut her off from her supplier (Since we don't know who it is, let's give a codename: Vinny!)

 

[lemonfreak]

You just described all the characters in the game, and some not in the game. The game hasn't tell us much about John boy, Elena and Heather to know why they need to escape though, maybe just recreational use. Tommy on the other hand is just a true addict, using someone's money to buy drugs for his own use.

In DPC's defense, we can smoke weed the first time and reject Riona the second time so there, not an addict just like you said. Come to think of it, I tried smoking and drinking but they didn't stick, but gaming is another totally different monster all together .

So all in all, we need to save Quinn, and cut her off from her supplier (Since we don't know who it is, let's give a codename: Vinny!)

She needs some

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alright.

 

[ename144]

Just partying does not count, but paying for services, lap dance, or sex(prostitution) does count. You can still party at the pink rose whilst staying at chick route.

But paying for services are separate decisions. You can choose to party hard and not buy any lap dances.

Also, consider the interaction with Lily in Chapter 5. Asking for a personal stripper or making out are minor DIK choices. But paying Lily for a blowjob has no effect on anything. Sure, she'll agree to give you the blowjob for free if you're CHICK enough, but you need to ask her for the freebie. If you just fork over the money, that's a neutral act for some reason. So in this case, paying for sex is *less* egregious than partying.

Confused yet?

 

[Cndyrvr4lf]

Yeah depends on if your talking about
A an actual physical addiction that results in withdrawals if you stop taking it
B a substance that seems to make all your problems go away

I agree with lemonfreak about a physical addiction. However, lots of people become mentally addicted to a substance because it seems to offer a "magical" solution to all their problems, at least till they sober up which means time to get high again.

Anything in moderation is ok (arguably) however a lot of people don't have enough willpower to use moderation.

 

[ename144]

I still think the majority of this is down to Tommy and Riona remember there was a scene between Quinn and Heather when Heather was complaining about Tommy taking her drugs so there is that as well as Tommy even asking Rusty if he had anything. The thing is if Quinn was using more drugs then Tommy or Riona would have brought that up perhaps something along the lines you wouldn't have this problem if you weren't overusing Riona especially as she seems the closer to Quinn.

Quinn seems to be the main supplier, so I think it would be much easier for her to skim some drugs for herself without Tommy or Riona noticing than it would be for them to take them from her. And I could totally see Quinn being worried about other people freeloading because she knows she's doing that herself.

Again, there's no proof of anything, but it fits a coherent pattern.

Well, the Melanie and Sarah issue you could be onto something with that they are clearly up to something with the whole Chad and Sage stuff so I wouldn't count them out of anything I'm thinking they want control of it all the Chad issue to take out Sage and the money issue to take out Quinn could it be that these two have been plotting behind both Sage and Quinn's back all this time?

Yeah, Melanie and Sarah are the new suspects for everything since we definitely know they have an agenda but have no idea what that agenda is. They're like the blank scrabble tile of conspiracy theories!

 

[xsssssssss]

So all in all, we need to save Quinn, and cut her off from her supplier (Since we don't know who it is, let's give a codename: Vinny!)

If her supplier is the one causing problems for her i'd be very much up for helping her sorting them out for her.
I don't necessarily think there needs to be some 'drugs is bad' moral intervention though

 

[Mormont]

Quinn seems to be the main supplier, so I think it would be much easier for her to skim some drugs for herself without Tommy or Riona noticing than it would be for them to take them from her. And I could totally see Quinn being worried about other people freeloading because she knows she's doing that herself.

Again, there's no proof of anything, but it fits a coherent pattern.

The thing is if she is the one taking extra doses then she is screwing herself over surely she is smarter than that? And is well aware of any consequences of not getting all the money back in time. I just don't know for me the whole drug angle has just felt off.

 

[Kz87]

But paying for services are separate decisions. You can choose to party hard and not buy any lap dances.

Also, consider the interaction with Lily in Chapter 5. Asking for a personal stripper or making out are minor DIK choices. But paying Lily for a blowjob has no effect on anything. Sure, she'll agree to give you the blowjob for free if you're CHICK enough, but you need to ask her for the freebie. If you just fork over the money, that's a neutral act for some reason. So in this case, paying for sex is *less* egregious than partying.

Confused yet?

If you choose to party hard it already implicates that you are agree to all its benefits aka sexual services. Making affinity choices with each stripper would be too complicated for game purposes.

As of Lily's case in episode 5, I agree, there shouldn't be a choice to pay her in a Chick route(or make it Dik move), only willingness from Lily's side.

 

[AvatarStormBringer]

I still think the majority of this is down to Tommy and Riona remember there was a scene between Quinn and Heather when Heather was complaining about Tommy taking her drugs so there is that as well as Tommy even asking Rusty if he had anything.

So does Heather have a cool head on her shoulders or not? I thought she is but she has her own stash.

Tommy is an addict through and through. Here's an idea, Vinny supplies to Tommy, but dropped out / kicked out because Tommy got him into trouble, others might / might not know about it and it will rise its ugly head in the coming episodes.

 

[Darkmetal]

Let's say in an RPG you returned some farmer's lost sheep gaining 100xp and leveling up. Your hit points increases by 50, you get a skill point which you put into "shield bash" and one good/paragon/light side point.

Waitaminute! What TF does returning sheep have to do with HP or shield bash? You didn't even lift the shield once on this quest let alone bash anyone. Shouldn't you be allowed to only increase 'walking' or 'divination' or something? And why do villagers immediately treat you more like a hero and give you 2% better prices? None of them witnessed you returning the sheep, they don't know about the "good" point you earned.

This makes no sense. Come to think of it, why is a point of exp from clearing a bandit cave worth the same as a point of exp from picking someone's pocket? The "experience" gained from them should be completely different. And why TF did we only get 50xp for delivering the letter for the King? Crossed the entire effing map for that compared to the 10 steps taken to find the sheep for which we got 100xp. What's with the disparity? The system is completely arbitrary - it's crazier than DPC's affinity system!

People just accept it because it's a familiar/known convention. Affinity/Status is just new/unique to this game.

Purpose of choice with Steve is not just single action, but the way to shape MC what kind of person he is. Is he generous no matter who in front of him, even an asshole like Steve.

There it is. Steve is irrelevant, whether anyone sees it is irrelevant. What the game system is trying to capture is not that single action in isolation - it may as well be Rich needing a heimlich or Anthony stuck in bear pit, same diff. It is trying to capture in numerical form a measure of your character. Are you the type that will help anyone or will you only help your friends/if there's something in it for you/if there is anyone to see you to give you credit.

The system is imperfect, sometimes measures seemingly odd things at odd times and take some short cuts, sure, but so does every game system. (e.g. How do you manufacture a siege tank with 100 minerals and 50 vespene gas, nevermind the crew. How TF can eating a chicken heal your wounds for 2 HP immediately - the only person for which that should work is Sandor "The Hound" Clegane.)

I explained in an earlier post how I interpret Affinity/Status. DPC's system works fine for me that way.

 

[Stark9999999]

episode 2, Dungeons and Gremlins: if RPjill > 2 she can cast heal.

Hold up you're telling me that my choices with Jill are having an effect my Dungeons and Gremlins experience? This is fantastic, can't wait for the next session. I knew that I spent so much time working on my D&G character for a reason.

She can’t take back the cash, she can’t legally force the money out of anyone (what’s she gonna do? Sue Camila for being a bad prostitute?). She could obviously refuse to pay their next tuition fee but she can’t kick them out and risk backlash and exposure of the scheme so her only option really is to double down and hope her next gamble pays enough to clear itself and her last gamble.

Do we actually know how this free tuition situation works at this point? Someone can correct me if we have other information but my best guess would still be that Burke is using his power to cook the books and simply mark the tuition as paid. What portion of the money from Quinn's restaurant goes to him or how many free samples he gets I don't know, but I would be surprised if Quinn was paying girls tuition upfront each semester.

Sorry, the system is arbitrary. There's no two ways about it.

At the risk of triggering a deluge of examples you feel prove otherwise the vast majority of gaming systems are arbitrary. The characters, production value and writing (in spots) may be enough to trigger a lot of interest and debate but it is still a game that requires such a system and not a novel. Remove the system and you basically get only a visual novel with even less choice.

The thing is if she is the one taking extra doses then she is screwing herself over surely she is smarter than that? And is well aware of any consequences of not getting all the money back in time. I just don't know for me the whole drug angle has just felt off.

Agreed - until we see the remaining episodes we can't say for sure, but at the moment it does not feel like DPC has a good handle on the drugs aspect of the story.

 

[AvatarStormBringer]

How do you manufacture a siege tank with 100 minerals and 50 vespene gas, nevermind the crew.

It's a 3rd tier unit, you sure it's that cheap?

 

[AvatarStormBringer]

What portion of the money from Quinn's restaurant goes to him or how many free samples he gets I don't know, but I would be surprised if Quinn was paying girls tuition upfront each semester.

If he's getting his free samples from Quinn, and what he told Jade is true and the 3 girls are limited to the restaurant.. that means Riona, Melanie and Sarah. I doubt Quinn would throw herself in as a free sample and am not sure if Arieth and Elena are on the menu. Definitely leaving Heather out of the equation since she had only seen Tommy's dick.

 

[Tserriednich'sNen]

I still don't get that I know Riona is a close friend and everything but why is Quinn letting her use up most of the drugs without paying for it?

She isn't that was just a lie on Quinn's part to Tommy. Riona is a lot more worried about coming up short than Quinn so it wouldn't make sense for her to just use all the product. Someone's been stealing from them or Quinn hasn't been selling enough which is why Quinn's trying to sell to the preps since she seemingly lost some DIK's as customers and the Jocks as well so she needs buyers. She just lied to Tommy to try to calm him if that's the right word I'm looking for to assure him that's it'll be alright.

 

[IkarusWestwood]

The thing is if she is the one taking extra doses then she is screwing herself over surely she is smarter than that?

Maybe it’s some of those explanations that we’ll have to accept because it’s the best we’ll have of a VN.

 

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