It's to be expected, he did it the same way in his last game, gave you choices and then still forced you down a route, then chucked in a wtf moment that was supposed to shock and upset you, made little sense and was poor storytelling......just hope this one fares better.
Never played any of his other stuff. I have yet to play "Acting Lessons?" I have fiddled with other games where every choice actually impacts your relationship with another in the end. Being a DiK is actually the first I played where you're just hoping it goes a certain way, I guess? Idk. Either way, it's fun just playing it different ways. Once the new season/episodes come out, I'll be starting over going the Chick route--I wanna know more about Jillian than anyone else, truth be told.
The great fallacy of this game is believing that by rejecting or not pursuing things with a certain LI that it closes them off completely, but it doesn't. Since these characters are necesssary to the overall story, they have to remain and as such are given unavoidable moments and events even when you're not on their path that seem to hint at future chances for intimacy.
It's something of a flaw in this game because if you're going to make LIs so optional then you should either not have them be so intrinsically linked to the overall plot surrounding the MC, or at least clearly establish a more friend-based relationship if they've been rejected.
It seems like DPC is trying to do a kinetic story but with lots of choices, and sometimes it feels like the merger of these two very different styles of game don't always gel together in a way that makes the story cohesive.
That's kind of right but kind of not. It's true that there are some interations that are unavoidable, but that doesn't mean that those hinting future intimacy don't. Look at ep.5 Josy. If you are on her path you have sex with her when you go to her room, if you're not you have that scene that says she still has feelings for you and hints at a solo path. If they are hinting at something they are, all of those could be rewritten to something that doesn't hint anything if that's what he wants. That goes for every scene like that one, but that's an easy example.
That's where I have my beef with this game the most. I mentioned it so many times I ended up starting a dispute about ""DPA" already has mentioned certain things are going to happen, bla, bla bla. You can't change anything. I hate when people get mad about things you can't change, bla bla..."
So it got to the point where people were just getting po'd at me. I can't talk with some peeps, they overlook what I was referring to and my point never got across, so I let it all go. Now I'm just keeping my mouth shut and seeing where this goes.
That's where I have my beef with this game the most. I mentioned it so many times I ended up starting a dispute about ""DPA" already has mentioned certain things are going to happen, bla, bla bla. You can't change anything. I hate when people get mad about things you can't change, bla bla..."
So it got to the point where people were just getting po'd at me. I can't talk with some peeps, they overlook what I was referring to and my point never got across, so I let it all go. Now I'm just keeping my mouth shut and seeing where this goes.
One thing I loved about Game of Thrones (or properly said A Song of Ice and Fire) is that every character acted in character and you can justify any twist, and they are all foreshadowed to some extent. The author has said that he knew some things will happen from the beginning, but he reached those organically. I'm not sure if DPA will manage to do those, considering the library scene. (Is it only me or did ep.5 seem to retcon that scene?)
One thing I loved about Game of Thrones (or properly said A Song of Ice and Fire) is that every character acted in character and you can justify any twist, and they are all foreshadowed to some extent. The author has said that he knew some things will happen from the beginning, but he reached those organically. I'm not sure if DPA will manage to do those, considering the library scene. (Is it only me or did ep.5 seem to retcon that scene?)
I never watched the show but I read the entire series. But You're not alone thinking that with ep.5, it seemed like a big change in tone for me, but we'll see. RR Martin's also a "discovery" writer, not much of a consistent planner. He has a general outline where he wants to take it but ends up growing characters "organically" as you say. We'll see what happens.
One thing I loved about Game of Thrones (or properly said A Song of Ice and Fire) is that every character acted in character and you can justify any twist, and they are all foreshadowed to some extent. The author has said that he knew some things will happen from the beginning, but he reached those organically. I'm not sure if DPA will manage to do those, considering the library scene. (Is it only me or did ep.5 seem to retcon that scene?)
Episode 5 definitely changed the context of the library scene, especially if you picked the friendship route. Whether that was his intention all a long or only happened because so many people wereunhappy/confused in the wake of Episode 4 is probably something only DPC will ever know.
But either way, some followup was badly needed. The library scene just didn't work properly as written. It was the culmination of an entire episode's relentless angst, the (supposed) turning point in the MC's two most significant relationships in the game at that point. Yet it it barely addressed any of the underlying issues, put the focus on the girls instead of the MC (to the point of that infamous kiss as a friend MC walks away), and in the end it still left the relationship of the trio somewhat ambiguous no matter what you chose.
There's a reason everyone criticizes that scene (even if they like it).
EDIT:
It occurs to me that I was already worried about how long this story would be and how much time it will take DPC to tell it. Comparing it to aSoFaI is not a good omen!
Episode 5 definitely changed the context of the library scene, especially if you picked the friendship route. Whether that was his intention all a long or only happened because so many people wereunhappy/confused in the wake of Episode 4 is probably something only DPC will ever know.
But either way, some followup was badly needed. The library scene just didn't work properly as written. It was the culmination of an entire episode's relentless angst, the (supposed) turning point in the MC's two most significant relationships in the game at that point. Yet it it barely addressed any of the underlying issues, put the focus on the girls instead of the MC (to the point of that infamous kiss as a friend MC walks away), and in the end it still left the relationship of the trio somewhat ambiguous no matter what you chose.
There's a reason everyone criticizes that scene (even if they like it).
EDIT:
It occurs to me that I was already worried about how long this story would be and how much time it will take DPC to tell it. Comparing it to aSoFaI is not a good omen!
Just something about the fact that based of a few choices the girls could be so cold as to make out just like that. Immediately after telling someone they both cheated on their significant other, who they loved so much, that nope it meant nothing and they just want to be friends. I know some cold blooded people but man brother THATS"S COLD!
The great fallacy of this game is believing that by rejecting or not pursuing things with a certain LI that it closes them off completely, but it doesn't. Since these characters are necesssary to the overall story, they have to remain and as such are given unavoidable moments and events even when you're not on their path that seem to hint at future chances for intimacy.
It's something of a flaw in this game because if you're going to make LIs so optional then you should either not have them be so intrinsically linked to the overall plot surrounding the MC, or at least clearly establish a more friend-based relationship if they've been rejected.
It seems like DPC is trying to do a kinetic story but with lots of choices, and sometimes it feels like the merger of these two very different styles of game don't always gel together in a way that makes the story cohesive.
Just something about the fact that based of a few choices the girls could be so cold as to make out just like that. Immediately after telling someone they both cheated on their significant other, who they loved so much, that nope it meant nothing and they just want to be friends. I know some cold blooded people but man brother THATS"S COLD!
Well, sometimes people do things in a way they did not intend for it to be hurtful. Maybe they were just caught up in the moment--future seemed bleak until certain things suddenly became possible?
Well, sometimes people do things in a way they did not intend for it to be hurtful. Maybe they were just caught up in the moment--future seemed bleak until certain things suddenly became possible?
I never watched the show but I read the entire series. But You're not alone thinking that with ep.5, it seemed like a big change in tone for me, but we'll see. RR Martin's also a "discovery" writer, not much of a consistent planner. He has a general outline where he wants to take it but ends up growing characters "organically" as you say. We'll see what happens.
I posted some time ago about DPC being a discovery or architect type of writer, and we didn't come to a consensus. AL made me thing he was the former, but BADIK looks like the might be the latter. There's lots of potential to side plotlines to explore and lots of intersting characters. I still think he is more of an architect but who knows. I hope he doesn't make characters act ooc to justify plot points he wants to make, but if we use the library scene as a reference we're screwed.
Episode 5 definitely changed the context of the library scene, especially if you picked the friendship route. Whether that was his intention all a long or only happened because so many people wereunhappy/confused in the wake of Episode 4 is probably something only DPC will ever know.
But either way, some followup was badly needed. The library scene just didn't work properly as written. It was the culmination of an entire episode's relentless angst, the (supposed) turning point in the MC's two most significant relationships in the game at that point. Yet it it barely addressed any of the underlying issues, put the focus on the girls instead of the MC (to the point of that infamous kiss as a friend MC walks away), and in the end it still left the relationship of the trio somewhat ambiguous no matter what you chose.
There's a reason everyone criticizes that scene (even if they like it).
EDIT:
It occurs to me that I was already worried about how long this story would be and how much time it will take DPC to tell it. Comparing it to aSoFaI is not a good omen!
The threeway route also changed a bit, with the "no strings to any of us" after pretty much the opposite happened the day before that. He said a lot of times (even in the intro) that he will make the story he wants to make regardless of public opinion, but it still feels like a retcon.
The problem with ASOIAF was becoming too wide and Martin being unable to stick to a deadline. DPC as for now hasn't failed one and pulls out content consistently. In that regard at least we can't criticize him
Yeah, that scene was about the MC, not them. They've just dumped someone they both supposedly love and had cheated the other one with and they still kiss.
I posted some time ago about DPC being a discovery or architect type of writer, and we didn't come to a consensus. AL made me thing he was the former, but BADIK looks like the might be the latter. There's lots of potential to side plotlines to explore and lots of intersting characters. I still think he is more of an architect but who knows. I hope he doesn't make characters act ooc to justify plot points he wants to make, but if we use the library scene as a reference we're screwed.
No offense to dpc, I don't think he has much of soul for writing like RR Martin given the nature of the game. At best, the story is fun to engage with for visual effects yet not that complex, the characters seem pretty dense, especially the MC--there's no tone to any character, they all have the same voice, no real distinction besides a few lax or sophisticated words, that is up until ep 5. Everything seems to jump to tense to keep the interest up--boobs and butt in between--but there's nothing leading up to it--which is a sign of a bad writer. But to each their own, not everyone likes Martin, not everyone likes Rowling's writing, the same goes for this dpc person.
I posted some time ago about DPC being a discovery or architect type of writer, and we didn't come to a consensus. AL made me thing he was the former, but BADIK looks like the might be the latter. There's lots of potential to side plotlines to explore and lots of intersting characters. I still think he is more of an architect but who knows. I hope he doesn't make characters act ooc to justify plot points he wants to make, but if we use the library scene as a reference we're screwed.
The threeway route also changed a bit, with the "no strings to any of us" after pretty much the opposite happened the day before that. He said a lot of times (even in the intro) that he will make the story he wants to make regardless of public opinion, but it still feels like a retcon.
The problem with ASOIAF was becoming too wide and Martin being unable to stick to a deadline. DPC as for now hasn't failed one and pulls out content consistently. In that regard at least we can't criticize him
Yeah, that scene was about the MC, not them. They've just dumped someone they both supposedly love and had cheated the other one with and they still kiss.
In the prologue to episode 2, has anyone ever been able to figure out which girl is passed out on the bed behind Quinn as she stands there with the hypodermic needle?
Presumably Riona, but you can't get a clear view of the character's head/face. Could also be Heather, assuming the coin flipper is Tommy.
In the prologue to episode 2, has anyone ever been able to figure out which girl is passed out on the bed behind Quinn as she stands there with the hypodermic needle?
Presumably Riona, but you can't get a clear view of the character's head/face. Could also be Heather, assuming the coin flipper is Tommy.
The actual endings can be pretty different if DPC wants them to be. If the game only covers the first year or so of the MC's time at B&R, epilogues that explain what happens over the next decade or more can diverge as much as they want to. Assuming DPC plans ahead, he can put the points of divergence in the last few episodes, then end the story and narrate what happens based on a relatively manageable number of variables.
The real question is how different the various routes leading up to those endings will be. My guess is they will be fairly similar, aside from the direct results of who the MC is dating at that point.
The threeway route also changed a bit, with the "no strings to any of us" after pretty much the opposite happened the day before that. He said a lot of times (even in the intro) that he will make the story he wants to make regardless of public opinion, but it still feels like a retcon.
I think the intention was always supposed to be that the MC realized he treated every crush as if it had to be The Real Thing For Ever And Ever (tm). Thus it was a sign of maturity that he now planned merely to fool around with girls for a bit and see if anything more develops (say, in 8-12 episodes time). The takeaway of the library scene wasn't supposed to be that the three of them were so committed to each other they were willing to to risk entering a polyamorous relationship, it was that the MC would fool around with M&J as a group rather than individually.
Of course that wound up backfiring completely. Not only was such a resolution underwhelming after the intense buildup, but the focus on Maya and Josy repairing their relationship contradicted the idea that youthful crushes shouldn't be taken seriously. A big fail all around.
(Well, other than the choice of music. I adore Just Peachy.)
I think the intention was always supposed to be that the MC realized he treated every crush as if it had to be The Real Thing For Ever And Ever (tm). Thus it was a sign of maturity that he now planned merely to fool around with girls for a bit and see if anything more develops (say, in 8-12 episodes time). The takeaway of the library scene wasn't supposed to be that the three of them were so committed to each other they were willing to to risk entering a polyamorous relationship, it was that the MC would fool around with M&J as a group rather than individually.
I can't see it that way. Maya and Josy LOVE each other. Granted they had some issues and almost ended but they both say on the bed that they still LOVE each other. Both Maya and Josy talk about later how they are afraid to lose it all if they (all 3 of them) don't work out. I don't know about you Brotha but I sure as hell wouldn't risk a just repaired love relationship for just a fling. Maya and Josy are potentially risking their emotional happiness to add something that Maya still has doubts about even wanting. Doesn't pass the common sense test to me.
Edit - Takeaway is that we all pretty much agree that the "Library" scene is BROKEN AS FUCK!
No offense to dpc, I don't think he has much of soul for writing like RR Martin given the nature of the game. At best, the story is fun to engage with for visual effects yet not that complex, the characters seem pretty dense, especially the MC--there's no tone to any character, they all have the same voice, no real distinction besides a few lax or sophisticated words, that is up until ep 5. Everything seems to jump to tense to keep the interest up--boobs and butt in between--but there's nothing leading up to it--which is a sign of a bad writer. But to each their own, not everyone likes Martin, not everyone likes Rowling's writing, the same goes for this dpc person.
DPC is not Martin, that's for sure, and the story is not that deep. But considering that I think the characters feel like they have their own personalities and act accordingly, except certain library scene...
The story can become complex, though. If the tribetas are the ones behind Chad's blackmail and all that. It has the potential to grow wide in lots of ways, which can be a good thing if it's properly done.
Yeah, but that doesn't mean he's one or the other. You can have a few plot point and the endings planned out in either case. The difference is in how you reach those points, calculating the whole story beginning to end or letting it grow.
In the prologue to episode 2, has anyone ever been able to figure out which girl is passed out on the bed behind Quinn as she stands there with the hypodermic needle?
Presumably Riona, but you can't get a clear view of the character's head/face. Could also be Heather, assuming the coin flipper is Tommy.
The actual endings can be pretty different if DPC wants them to be. If the game only covers the first year or so of the MC's time at B&R, epilogues that explain what happens over the next decade or more can diverge as much as they want to. Assuming DPC plans ahead, he can put the points of divergence in the last few episodes, then end the story and narrate what happens based on a relatively manageable number of variables.
The real question is how different the various routes leading up to those endings will be. My guess is they will be fairly similar, aside from the direct results of who the MC is dating at that point.
Honestly, I think 'no strings attached' was exactly what DPC intended all along. Look at what the Episode 4 wrap-up says about it:
I think the intention was always supposed to be that the MC realized he treated every crush as if it had to be The Real Thing For Ever And Ever (tm). Thus it was a sign of maturity that he now planned merely to fool around with girls for a bit and see if anything more develops (say, in 8-12 episodes time). The takeaway of the library scene wasn't supposed to be that the three of them were so committed to each other they were willing to to risk entering a polyamorous relationship, it was that the MC would fool around with M&J as a group rather than individually.
Of course that wound up backfiring completely. Not only was such a resolution underwhelming after the intense buildup, but the focus on Maya and Josy repairing their relationship contradicted the idea that youthful crushes shouldn't be taken seriously. A big fail all around.
(Well, other than the choice of music. I adore Just Peachy.)
If that was his intention all along then it wasn't properly communicated. The general understanding after that scene seemed to be a closed relationship.
