Alfagrem

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Without opening up the game and seeing what variables are saved the easiest ways to pay attention to what might be important is the phone and the little character pics. All those little messages have to mean something, right?
I used the scrappy mod to avoid the positive choices and eschewed the use of the phone unless necessary to progress (phone Josy on first roam, Phone Quinn at prep party).

The end results of this path of going for negative RP are;

Jill - Tries it on after the Chad assault but I'm wearing my cockblock helmet, She kisses you on the couch at Bella's.
Isabella - Kisses you after your 'date' at luigi's. (could still of had the library scene if I had visited her at -3RP)
Josy - Kiss on first date.
Maya - Grinds you pre-cumpetition and then you share a kiss on her bad when you get back from the cumpetition.
Sage - Kisses you after the Chad fight at gym.

and ofc there's Derek who you've spent time naked with, hugged, shared a lapdance, shared a bed and would of been locking lips with if it hadn't been for the Cathy cluck!
 
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The complaint is that it's choices made without consequences.

I've done a 'blueballs' run and no matter how insensitive and unpleasent you are, Jill will still try date you even if you are -3 with Bella and -4 with her.

So if that's the case then why bother having choices that result in RP loss if the plot is going to take us to certain places anyway.
The choices you make also shape your character and that is a consequence as well. Like when talking to Jill /Bella if you are on DIK path and complement them MC will use words like "hot" or "Sexy" and they don't like that . However on chick side MC will say they look nice / are pretty and those absolutely like that. Slowly it will built up to an effect - you certainly did not make make Bella change her opinion on MC which does change some events in game. Ofc generally those changes will be different lines of text or access to a scene rather then "eliminating character from your world" for obvious reason.
I think it is pretty big already that we have 3 places to stay in for events in ep 4 and 5 that is a lot of variation.

So yea i like how the choices shape MC, text changes based on your affinity, how others react and how eventually there are things you can/can't do.
 

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it would be fine for me to accompany MC even until after the wedding, but the problem we get longer, the better the chances of not seeing it concluded.

the hypothesis of the whole cycle included in MC's first year of college seems to me the most realistic
Uh Bra, hold your horses, wedding? You sure you are not playing Sisterly Lust here? Pregnant and Wedding in 144 days?
The problem with all that is you're forced to be with other girls. There's no real choice. I did everything to avoid Josy and she still latched on, Maya still kissed--it's all a no go you simply can't choose everything. There's still interaction you can't avoid. If you ask me, the better choice is to go after Bella as it will lead you to Jill, and Bella is someone she looks up to, always seeking her approval. I also didn't like the shower scene on their "first date," but it happens if you stick to that route anyway. In the end, it's a sex game.
Anyone have a playthrough where Bella hates you and doesn't recommend you to Jill? Will you still get the Sauna scene? I thought all Bella's scenes can be avoidable by choice?
I think she does, but she doesn't realize it yet.

I agree on both. It wouldn't be very Jill-like to bully anyone, as karmic as it may sound.

To me I don't want those refusal points. (Well, it depends on how they are implemented). I don't like those games where you refuse a girl and suddenly they disappear from the game completely. In a story-driven game like this it wouldn't make much sense.
You are talking about from a story point of view and not sex options right? If I totally reject a person I don't want the game to come back and ask me, "would you like another chance to fuck this person?" If you see them totally being cut out from a story until a certain chapter, you know that Leah is coming!
Am I the only one who thinks that Heather has a facial problem, I mean compared to a lot of other characters her face makes me uncomfortable
Her face is too stiff, like a B-grade game character. Even the side characters have better emotions than her. but now I think about it I can say the same for Camila and Mona.
Lol Sage before he reworked her made me cringe a little face wise so I can relate.
Her hairstyle before the rework. Urgh. (Not the color though)
 

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Uh Bra, hold your horses, wedding? You sure you are not playing Sisterly Lust here? Pregnant and Wedding in 144 days?

Anyone have a playthrough where Bella hates you and doesn't recommend you to Jill? Will you still get the Sauna scene? I thought all Bella's scenes can be avoided by choice?

You are talking about from a story point of view and not sex options right? If I totally reject a person I don't want the game to come back and ask me, "would you like another chance to fuck this person?" If you see them totally being cut out from a story until a certain chapter, you know that Leah is coming!

Her face is too stiff, like a B-grade game character. Even the side characters have better emotions than her. but now I think about it I can say the same for Camila and Mona.

Her hairstyle before the rework. Urgh. (Not the color though)
Yeah, I mean cut from the story. There are some girls when you reject an advance and suddenly the girl is gone. I've had games where "faithful" playthroughs became like half the content in every update.
 

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The choices you make also shape your character and that is a consequence as well. Like when talking to Jill /Bella if you are on DIK path and complement them MC will use words like "hot" or "Sexy" and they don't like that . However on chick side MC will say they look nice / are pretty and those absolutely like that. Slowly it will built up to an effect - you certainly did not make make Bella change her opinion on MC which does change some events in game. Ofc generally those changes will be different lines of text or access to a scene rather then "eliminating character from your world" for obvious reason.
I think it is pretty big already that we have 3 places to stay in for events in ep 4 and 5 that is a lot of variation.

So yea i like how the choices shape MC, text changes based on your affinity, how others react and how eventually there are things you can/can't do.
I agree that it is true that the afinity meter(Chick/Neutral/Dik) and the DIK scale (Chick/Dik) shape most of the protagonist choices and the way he interacts with other characters in the story (only exception being the start of episode 4).

However i still get the feeling that, story wise, Jill got the short end of the stick so far. She is the least fleshed out main romantic interest in the game so far. I will go as far as say even Quinn got more development than her. That is also one of the reasons why i find her the most boring love interest in the game.
 
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Anyone have a playthrough where Bella hates you and doesn't recommend you to Jill? Will you still get the Sauna scene? I thought all Bella's scenes can be avoidable by choice?
If you manage to prevent Bella from coming around on the MC, he will not be able to visit her in the library after asking Jill out, and thus will not be able to get the Sauna scene with Bella in Episode 5.

On the other hand, Bella will still invite that MC in to talk to Cathy, let him use her car to drive Cathy home, then ask the MC to call her Bella, stay the night, have a private yoga session, and finally teach him to make pancakes. So there's a lot of forced interaction, but there is a small sliver in which your (bad) choices are acknowledged.
 
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However i still get the feeling that, story wise, Jill got the short end of the stick so far. She is the least fleshed out main romantic interest in the game so far. I will go as far as say even Quinn got more development than her. That is also one of the reasons why i find her the most boring love interest in the game.
Darth Vader gets more screen time than Princess Leah, that is a given.
 

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If you manage to prevent Bella from coming around on the MC, he will not be able to visit her in the library after asking Jill out, and thus will not be able to get the Sauna scene with Bella in Episode 5.
Wait, Jill still agrees to go out with you? I really need to try getting on Bella bad side to see what are the conversations like, but like Sage, It's hard to reject her, the force is too strong!
 
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Uh Bra, hold your horses, wedding? You sure you are not playing Sisterly Lust here? Pregnant and Wedding in 144 days?

Anyone have a playthrough where Bella hates you and doesn't recommend you to Jill? Will you still get the Sauna scene? I thought all Bella's scenes can be avoidable by choice?

You are talking about from a story point of view and not sex options right? If I totally reject a person I don't want the game to come back and ask me, "would you like another chance to fuck this person?" If you see them totally being cut out from a story until a certain chapter, you know that Leah is coming!

Her face is too stiff, like a B-grade game character. Even the side characters have better emotions than her. but now I think about it I can say the same for Camila and Mona.

Her hairstyle before the rework. Urgh. (Not the color though)
If Bella doesn't like you, it locks you out of any lewd scenes with her. I think you can still Sauna with her I haven't tried it yet but no lewd scene.
 

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Wait, Jill still agrees to go out with you? I really need to try getting on Bella bad side to see what are the conversations like, but like Sage, It's hard to reject her, the force is too strong!
Yes, Jill will still go out with you and for the most part it's the same as normal.

But during their conversation on the bench she will admit she was hesitant because Bella doesn't like the MC. , He can either say he's a decent guy, in which case things proceed more or less as normal (AFAIK), or admit that Bella is right and Jill should probably steer clear.

If the MC warns her off, Jill will finish the date but then leave without a kiss and the MC will comment the date wasn't the best. Come episode 5, Jill will still sleep on the couch and talk about Rusty, but won't kiss him or hold hands. When Bella asks about the date during yoga, Jill will say the MC is very different; she likes him as a friend, but is not sure there's anything more.

So admitting Bella was right definitely puts a dent in any relationship with Jill, possibly stopping it outright. Not recommended.
 

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The problem with all that is you're forced to be with other girls. There's no real choice. I did everything to avoid Josy and she still latched on, Maya still kissed--it's all a no go you simply can't choose everything. There's still interaction you can't avoid. If you ask me, the better choice is to go after Bella as it will lead you to Jill, and Bella is someone she looks up to, always seeking her approval. I also didn't like the shower scene on their "first date," but it happens if you stick to that route anyway. In the end, it's a sex game.
I think it's fine for the MC to be railroaded into being friends with the LIs. It keeps the story from expanding out of control, justifies the time spent on all their renders, ensures certain ideas and themes will come up, and helps give the MC a certain sense of identity (rather than just being a faceless, blank slate). Plus, the MC might be friends with the girls, but that still leaves the question of whether he seeks a sexual relationship with one or more of them up to us. That seems like a good compromise that keeps the plot and characters on course while still allowing our choices to have a serious impact.

Thus far, that's largely how the game has worked. The MC is forced to fool around with Josy and Maya to a certain degree, but beyond that he can actually be pretty chaste if he puts his mind to it. Either way, however, the LIs are all clearly friends with him in some capacity.

Really, my issues with MC's relationships only come up in two cases: a) when the game offers a choice then ignores or minimizes that choice to force the story back onto the rails, and b) when the girls are forced to act out of character to keep the plot moving.

The former problem can be solved by either adding some cosmetic effect of the choice to maintain the illusion or (if that is impractical) just not offering the false choice in the first place. The latter is DPC's own fault since he's the one who wrote his own characters into a corner. Still, mistakes happen so if he realizes what he's done too late and there really is no credible way for the characters to act as needed, a brief OOC moment is probably the lesser evil. We can just hope he learns his lesson and plans ahead better in the future.
 

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He can either say he's a decent guy, in which case things proceed more or less as normal (AFAIK), or admit that Bella is right and Jill should probably steer clear.
NOW I know why the walkthrough mentioned the option "If you told Jill you are a decent guy".
 

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The problem with all that is you're forced to be with other girls. There's no real choice. I did everything to avoid Josy and she still latched on, Maya still kissed--it's all a no go you simply can't choose everything. There's still interaction you can't avoid. If you ask me, the better choice is to go after Bella as it will lead you to Jill, and Bella is someone she looks up to, always seeking her approval. I also didn't like the shower scene on their "first date," but it happens if you stick to that route anyway. In the end, it's a sex game.
It's to be expected, he did it the same way in his last game, gave you choices and then still forced you down a route, then chucked in a wtf moment that was supposed to shock and upset you, made little sense and was poor storytelling......just hope this one fares better.
 
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The great fallacy of this game is believing that by rejecting or not pursuing things with a certain LI that it closes them off completely, but it doesn't. Since these characters are necesssary to the overall story, they have to remain and as such are given unavoidable moments and events even when you're not on their path that seem to hint at future chances for intimacy.

It's something of a flaw in this game because if you're going to make LIs so optional then you should either not have them be so intrinsically linked to the overall plot surrounding the MC, or at least clearly establish a more friend-based relationship if they've been rejected.

It seems like DPC is trying to do a kinetic story but with lots of choices, and sometimes it feels like the merger of these two very different styles of game don't always gel together in a way that makes the story cohesive.
 
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