VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[Malicre]

I don't think I've ever read any particular criticisms of Josy.

each of the LI's will have its part of drama, in general it is easier to have it with DPC than with an invented character (I blame DPC for how Maya is described ..)

I'm afraid Bella's secret will not be very credible, but for now, even more directly than Josy, she is not encouraging MC. we have to wait

It's not just Bella's secret.

Let me ask you something. How do you think people on these forums would react if Bella's got really really close to our MC, maybe they plan on going on a date and then the day of said date her husband comes back and then to top it off she chooses to forgo what she had with the MC to rekindle her relationship with the husband.

That would go down super well with her fanbase wouldn't it? that's just one of the MANY scenarios that could happen.

 

[felicemastronzo]

It's not just Bella's secret.

Let me ask you something. How do you think people on these forums would react if Bella's got really really close to our MC, maybe they plan on going on a date and then the day of said date her husband comes back and then to top it off she chooses to forgo what she had with the MC to rekindle her relationship with the husband.

That would go down super well with her fanbase wouldn't it? that's just one of the MANY scenarios that could happen.

I struggle to speak for myself and to explain myself, imagine if I want to speak for the whole fan base..

if something happened that prevented Bella from attending MC, certainly no one would like it, but in the example that you did, you cannot blame Bella for being married, we already know, MC's position with her is precarious .

if Jill suddenly avoided MC for an incomprehensible or not serious reason (like the slap to Tybalt) in that case someone could begin to criticize her

 

[Holy Bacchus]

This is how the real world works tho. It's called playing the field and literally everyone who dates is doing it. He's interested in a lot of different girls but hes not "exclusive" with anyone, he doesn't have a girlfriend and hell half of these girls don't even want to be his girlfriend so don't come in here with that shit saying hes a serial cheater because anyone who has ever been in the dating scene just knows that's how dating is in this day and age.

TLDR: we aren't living in the 80s anymore, no ones exclusively dating anyone unless you specifically define those rules/boundries when you start having a real relationship.

Name me 1 girl that has actually asked the mc to be her boyfriend and then you would have made your point.

Well the way some people react to this whole M&J situation you'd think they were in an exclusive relationship because folks seem very deeply hurt by their apparent "betrayal" and lack of honesty even though it was, as you might say, just dating.

The problem here is the way the characters and events are written and how it relates to the choices of the MC. As it is written when playing the M&J route, none of these characters (MC, Maya, Josy) seem to be treating their respective relationships (MC/Maya, MC/Josy) as a casual fling given the way they talk about it and the way they interact with each other. All of them seem to be developing sincere feelings for each other and the MC even agonises over having to choose one over the other, which shows, at least the way it's written, that he sees a relationship with either one as something that he'd like to be exclusive.

However, where this becomes contradictory is in the MC's behaviour. For someone who seems to be very focused on M&J and a potential relationship with one of them, his "playing the field" makes his outburst over finding out about their relationship seem very hypocritical. He laments the potential loss of a relationship with one of them and feels "betrayed", yet he was going around fucking Sage, arranging a date with Jill, kissing Bella, letting Jade give him a handjob, and possibly even fucking Sarah, fucking Mona and Camila, fucking Envy, and fucking Quinn and Riona.

He may not have been in an exclusive relationship with Maya or Josy, but sleeping around with others while you're trying to start a potentially exclusive relationship with someone isn't something that "literally everyone who dates" does. Yes, he may be a young guy of 18 and this might be considered by some to be a normal thing at that age to sleep around, but I don't personally think it puts the MC in a good light to feel so aggrieved and hurt by Maya and Josy when he's been going after every pussy that comes his way.

 

[Skode]

I'd argue biggest offense to fans was the MC random tantrum reaction to finding out about Maya and Josey before him ignoring them for ages whether players liked it or not.

 

[Darkdevil66]

It would be great if the teachers get their own ending. Jade has more character development than Jill so far in my opinion. Same for Quinn.
It would be a shame if not possible. Maybe since drpinkcake intends to do a lot of episodes they can be turned into possible romance options.

Teachers getting their own ending seems unlikely. Jade's priorities are her career and her kids. A scandalous relationship with one of her students would ruin everything, not to mention Tybalt would probably go crazy and burn the whole campus including himself and his precious watermelons.

Furthermore Jade and Cathy's interest for the MC isn't really based on feelings. At this point, he's just a way to release their sexual frustration and fulfill their fantasies with a younger man. The MC seems to be on the same page, unless the lack of mother figure gives him some kind of Oedipus complex with older women

Quinn fits the "Dating Catwoman" trope. She's already a major character and her conflicting feelings for the MC is a big part of her personal development. But once again, DrPKC could planed a tragic end or turn her into a total antagonist.

Camila and Riona could be future paths due their warm and friendly attitude. But for now they aren't relevant enough.

But let's dream. I like them more than Maya and Josy at this point.

 

[Holy Bacchus]

I find it odd that whenever someone complains about a character, their defendants bring up (mostly) MC and how he does similar things. Their issue wasn't about any shared flaws, it was about a specific character. They didn't involve others in this so why should you.

In my opinion Maya (or anyone) being young, inexperienced, having troubled past, behaving like real person would or whatever, doesn't make them good/likable. If you dislike any of their traits in real life, you are most likely going to dislike (insert character). So any "counter-arguments" of that kind are pointless.

The problem I find is that most people seem to dislike certain characters for such small, petty reasons that they then blow out of all proportions.

Did Maya withhold the truth about herself? Yes, but she wasn't unjustified in doing so and her reasoning is perfectly understandable and even forgivable. People might be hesitant to trust her again which is fair, but she certainly doesn't deserve the level of animosity and disgust that I've seen from some people because it didn't come from a place of deliberate malicious deceitfulness and does not represent her whole character.

I think it also speaks rather poorly of where we are as a society that some people just don't seem to have much compassion in their hearts and are willing to dismiss anyone on the basis of such minor slights that can be easily resolved and you can move past if you just take the time to be understanding rather than shut them out completely.

 

[Malicre]

Teachers getting their own ending seems unlikely. Jade's priorities are her career and her kids. A scandalous relationship with one of her students would ruin everything, not to mention Tybalt would probably go crazy and burn the whole campus including himself and his precious watermelons.

Furthermore Jade and Cathy's interest for the MC isn't really based on feelings. At this point, he's just a way to release their sexual frustration and fulfill their fantasies with a younger man. The MC seems to be on the same page, unless the lack of mother figure gives him some kind of Oedipus complex with older women

Jade's priorities were her career and kids but she has both those things now and theres nothing stopping her from continuing on with the relationship now tybalt is grown and her husband is more interested in other women if that's what she wanted. I like the MCxJade relationship because we get to see glimpses of what their life would be like if they were together. To me it feels like jade has been his most "romantic" partner so far and i really do enjoy every single scene of them together.

 

[desmosome]

Well the way some people react to this whole M&J situation you'd think they were in an exclusive relationship because folks seem very deeply hurt by their apparent "betrayal" and lack of honesty even though it was, as you might say, just dating.

The problem here is the way the characters and events are written and how it relates to the choices of the MC. As it is written when playing the M&J route, none of these characters (MC, Maya, Josy) seem to be treating their respective relationships (MC/Maya, MC/Josy) as a casual fling given the way they talk about it and the way they interact with each other. All of them seem to be developing sincere feelings for each other and the MC even agonises over having to choose one over the other, which shows, at least the way it's written, that he sees a relationship with either one as something that he'd like to be exclusive.

However, where this becomes contradictory is in the MC's behaviour. For someone who seems to be very focused on M&J and a potential relationship with one of them, his "playing the field" makes his outburst over finding out about their relationship seem very hypocritical. He laments the potential loss of a relationship with one of them and feels "betrayed", yet he was going around fucking Sage, arranging a date with Jill, kissing Bella, letting Jade give him a handjob, and possibly even fucking Sarah, fucking Mona and Camila, fucking Envy, and fucking Quinn and Riona.

He may not have been in an exclusive relationship with Maya or Josy, but sleeping around with others while you're trying to start a potentially exclusive relationship with someone isn't something that "literally everyone who dates" does. Yes, he may be a young guy of 18 and this might be considered by some to be a normal thing at that age to sleep around, but I don't personally think it puts the MC in a good light to feel so aggrieved and hurt by Maya and Josy when he's been going after every pussy that comes his way.

bravo my friend. Pretty much spot on. I would give you 2 likes if I was Dawe.

I rate DPC quite highly as a writer, but he really dropped the ball on this one. It just isn't an organic reaction for the MC in that situation.

And there is definitely a greater issue of the MC's perona and his actions not matching up. This MC is your generic self insertable "good guy MC." A fairly normal dude that's just going about his business. But he is banging chicks left and right while leading them on. This is not a behavior of just a normal country bumpkin. His actions lead us to believe he is just "playing the field" or fuckin around, but his personality and inner monologues show us that he is developing real fealings for pretty much all of them. It becomes this weird mesh of playboy and nice guy(tm) that leads to the weird outburst during the Maya and Josey reveal.

 

[Dashxp4k]

I doubt the MC would want to live off Jill's money, that doesn't sound like him at all.

true maybe after Jill gradate. If her job local Jill and MC will live together. If its not long distant relationship and yall know how that work. for now we don't know. only DPC knows.

 

[AvatarStormBringer]

Yeah I'm sure DPC thought we would all love her however that isn't the way it went. Maya is so passive, so reserved that I couldn't see myself dating her. Who wants to go through a relationship with someone who is always "whatever you want to do"? I like personality and Maya has the personality of a wet mop.

For a moment I thought you were talking about her hair.

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If I'm good with photoshop I would have put her face there.

Undoing that lie made things worse because then the MC started hitting on her, as she must have known he would do. I still don't understand why she did that if she wasn't ready to tell the truth (except for the sake of more drama, of course).

It's unwise to cover a lie with another lie. Trust is a fragile thing, once crumbled, it's very hard to rebuild it. I did mentioned before though that omission and lie are two different things. Maya didn't really lie, she just haven't told MC about being a lesbian and she didn't know that MC's crush is her girlfriend. Most likely she's slowly opening up to MC but Lady luck, time and fate is not on her side. Maya's bet backfired on her in a very very bad way.

Also regarding Josy, we must not forget that Josy is MC's crush for the entire summer, while you the players only get to know Josy at the end of his summer job. Whether you like it or not, he will think about her, lust for her, and go to her when she beckons, especially when his time with her ended abruptly just when it's starting to flourish.

 

[Holy Bacchus]

bravo my friend. Pretty much spot on. I would give you 2 likes if I was Dawe.

I rate DPC quite highly as a writer, but he really dropped the ball on this one. It just isn't an organic reaction for the MC in that situation.

And there is definitely a greater issue of the MC's perona and his actions not matching up. This MC is your generic self insertable "good guy MC." A fairly normal dude that's just going about his business. But he is banging chicks left and right while leading them on. This is not a behavior of just a normal country bumpkin. His actions lead us to believe he is just "playing the field" or fuckin around, but his personality and inner monologues show us that he is developing real fealings for pretty much all of them. It becomes this weird mesh of playboy and nice guy(tm) that leads to the weird outburst during the Maya and Josey reveal.

Exactly. The actions don't match the words and feelings being expressed which makes for a very contradictory MC.

 

[AvatarStormBringer]

bravo my friend. Pretty much spot on. I would give you 2 likes if I was Dawe.

I rate DPC quite highly as a writer, but he really dropped the ball on this one. It just isn't an organic reaction for the MC in that situation.

And there is definitely a greater issue of the MC's perona and his actions not matching up. This MC is your generic self insertable "good guy MC." A fairly normal dude that's just going about his business. But he is banging chicks left and right while leading them on. This is not a behavior of just a normal country bumpkin. His actions lead us to believe he is just "playing the field" or fuckin around, but his personality and inner monologues show us that he is developing real fealings for pretty much all of them. It becomes this weird mesh of playboy and nice guy(tm) that leads to the weird outburst during the Maya and Josey reveal.

I want him to be the good guy! But sadly when it's booty time the dick takes over the brain. With a dick his size, there's no blood supply at all for the brain to function.

 

[felicemastronzo]

I want him to be the good guy! But sadly when it's booty time the dick takes over the brain. With a dick his size, there's no blood supply at all for the brain to function.

it is complicated to play a porn game as if we were Romeo and we had met our Juliet

especially when even doing it you don't take any step forward with your Giulietta...

 

[Darkdevil66]

Jade's priorities were her career and kids but she has both those things now and theres nothing stopping her from continuing on with the relationship now tybalt is grown and her husband is more interested in other women if that's what she wanted. I like the MCxJade relationship because we get to see glimpses of what their life would be like if they were together. To me it feels like jade has been his most "romantic" partner so far and i really do enjoy every single scene of them together.

But she won't keep her job and her reputation if she's in relationship with a student and neither Burke and Tybalt will accept this. That's why they kept their relationship a secret. That's the whole point.

As for the romantic aspect, everybody has opinions and impressions. I don't have to judge but I personally found the "mom-son" roleplay and the fact she bursted out anger in front of her husband's portrait during sex extremely creepy.

 

[Wizard_Shiryuu]

It's unwise to cover a lie with another lie. Trust is a fragile thing, once crumbled, it's very hard to rebuild it. I did mentioned before though that omission and lie are two different things. Maya didn't really lie, she just haven't told MC about being a lesbian and she didn't know that MC's crush is her girlfriend. Most likely she's slowly opening up to MC but Lady luck, time and fate is not on her side. Maya's bet backfired on her in a very very bad way.

Also regarding Josy, we must not forget that Josy is MC's crush for the entire summer, while you the players only get to know Josy at the end of his summer job. Whether you like it or not, he will think about her, lust for her, and go to her when she beckons, especially when his time with her ended abruptly just when it's starting to flourish.

Maya did lie when she said she had a boyfriend, then she covered it with a half truth. Half truth that was way more damaging than the lie itself. I get that she wanted to be honest (but not completely honest), but only managed to screw it up even more. She had good intentions but managed to get everything worse, that's why I said she's unintentionally toxic.

I get Josy, I think I understand her. I've made some lengthy posts in the past about her. She is part of the story (well, both of them) and I don't want either of them gone. It's complicated. One thing I don't like about other games is that when you reject a girl they disappear from the game completely. I prefer some middle ground. It feels odd that if M&J are that central to the story to have other LIs. It's like AL, it doesn't make much sense to have more LI if you are forced into dating Megan anyway.

 

[Jenson143]

What about the patch from initial to v.0.5.0

 

[Phynix]

The problem I find is that most people seem to dislike certain characters for such small, petty reasons that they then blow out of all proportions.

Did Maya withhold the truth about herself? Yes, but she wasn't unjustified in doing so and her reasoning is perfectly understandable and even forgivable. People might be hesitant to trust her again which is fair, but she certainly doesn't deserve the level of animosity and disgust that I've seen from some people because it didn't come from a place of deliberate malicious deceitfulness and does not represent her whole character.

I think it also speaks rather poorly of where we are as a society that some people just don't seem to have much compassion in their hearts and are willing to dismiss anyone on the basis of such minor slights that can be easily resolved and you can move past if you just take the time to be understanding rather than shut them out completely.

Perhaps i haven't been here long enough to know about this animosity you are talking about. What i've mostly seen is the "dishonest while expecting honesty" part. Having dealt with such people myself, i have to admit that this is what made me dislike her the most.

That being said, it's still their opinion of a character and i doubt that finding reasons or excuses will change their minds, if anything will, it's probably changes to that character. Whether DPC makes any changes to her remains to be seen but personally i don't expect much.

 

[Cndyrvr4lf]

Maya did lie when she said she had a boyfriend, then she covered it with a half truth. Half truth that was way more damaging than the lie itself. I get that she wanted to be honest (but not completely honest), but only managed to screw it up even more. She had good intentions but managed to get everything worse, that's why I said she's unintentionally toxic.

I get Josy, I think I understand her. I've made some lengthy posts in the past about her. She is part of the story (well, both of them) and I don't want either of them gone. It's complicated. One thing I don't like about other games is that when you reject a girl they disappear from the game completely. I prefer some middle ground. It feels odd that if M&J are that central to the story to have other LIs. It's like AL, it doesn't make much sense to have more LI if you are forced into dating Megan anyway.

I agree with this. I don't want the LI's to go poof either. Especially on a small campus where you're bound to run in to people. However if I kill the romance part of it then I want that part to go poof. Kind of hard to be just friends if I keep having to read the MC's internal monologue about how much he still cares. SIGH

 

[Holy Bacchus]

Maya did lie when she said she had a boyfriend, then she covered it with a half truth. Half truth that was way more damaging than the lie itself. I get that she wanted to be honest (but not completely honest), but only managed to screw it up even more. She had good intentions but managed to get everything worse, that's why I said she's unintentionally toxic.

I get Josy, I think I understand her. I've made some lengthy posts in the past about her. She is part of the story (well, both of them) and I don't want either of them gone. It's complicated. One thing I don't like about other games is that when you reject a girl they disappear from the game completely. I prefer some middle ground. It feels odd that if M&J are that central to the story to have other LIs. It's like AL, it doesn't make much sense to have more LI if you are forced into dating Megan anyway.

Maya may have made a mistake, yes, but I think describing her as "toxic" is a bit much especially when, again, you consider the MC's part in all of this.

Much like with Josy, Maya tells him she has a boyfriend and yet he still wants to get closer to her rather than backing off. Then when Maya tells him she made up the boyfriend as a way to try and keep guys away from her, he doesn't have the wherewithal to wonder or even ask "why?" but simply comes out and tells her he's attracted to her, which was very much him reading the room wrongly.

There was a reason she tried to do something that she thought would get him to not see her as a romantic or even sexual option, and even the half-truth should have been something that made him see there was something she was struggling with and that he shouldn't push her. But, on the M&J path, he continues to pursue her and in so doing is the cause of her feelings for him by getting so close to her. Had he backed off because of the issues she expressed, then perhaps there would be no feelings of "being lied to" by Maya because the MC did the right thing in her giving her space and not pursuing her. Of course, there would still be the Josy issue to contend with, but I feel like the MC somewhat did this to himself because there were warning signs with Maya and yet he barreled right through them.

 

[xsssssssss]

I’d be happy with far less inner monologues from the MC.