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Miskatonic81

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Being a Burgmeister might add some legitimacy to your relationship with Jill when you tell her parents, but yeah I don't think it really adds much to the story. Jill being a Royce didn't really mean much to me either, I mean it's the name on the college big deal.
 

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The way I see it, we have 3 options:
The way i see it is that every options are about blaming the grandparents exclusively and thus making certain that the nimbus of dad remain unblemished. As if dad must be the good guy in this story and so the grandparents have to be the bad ones, yes? No.

This idea deals with that 50% if them grandparents are to blame. I sign these. Sure thing no problem but this just 3 options from the angle IF they are the culprit here. What if dad is to blame.

Dad is a saint is seemingly hard coded in the fanbase here yet i prefer a more pragmatic approach. I will buy the "Elitist Grandparent" explanation as soon as we meet them and they prove it to be correct. Untill then lets not forget that it is Dad who keeps us away from them and not the other way around. It is dad who prevents us from making a judgement call. We are old enough. He could have said that okay, lets make a visit and you can see for yourself. But he isn't exactly eager to let us make the connection now is he.

We were a child before so yes, why not. But we aren't anymore. The reason we don't care about our grandparents.. is him. Solely. He instilled the idea in us that they are the bad guys. Nothing proves them to be beside his words. They aren't able to defend themselves or even put up a counter arguement now can they so we are left to believe whatever dad says. A very convenient position to be in.

Its very easy to manipluate the reader/player if the player believes everything the narration says while it was told from the point of view of an in-game character. The idea here is that players think the writer wants to tell the hidden truth. I can't tell you how many times i tricked my players with such false narratives. It always works. They always expect likable NPCs to tell the truth as if they know the truth and have no other agenda beside transmitting storyteller info.

I see the same here :sneaky: What if dad has reasons to hide the past because he fears he'd lose us if he'd tell. Is afraid to come clean. Its a very legitimate fear for a parent. What if he himself never came to terms with that past. He couldn't let himself fall apart he had a son to raise. Not everyone crumbles under such pressure but the meantime keeps it in the closet unable to burry it for good. I suspect skeletons in dad's closet. But its just me.
 
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"Son, you're a Royce. I'm sorry I never told you, I didn't think you needed to know."
MC pulls Jill into frame
"Dad, this is my girlfriend Jill. Jill Royce, we've been fooling around for a while and think I'm falling in love with her."
Dad's eyes go wide in horror
"So uh yeah evidently Dad, turns out I kinda did need to know, now this is all kinds of fucked up so thanks for that."
 

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"Son, you're a Royce. I'm sorry I never told you, I didn't think you needed to know."
MC pulls Jill into frame
"Dad, this is my girlfriend Jill. Jill Royce, we've been fooling around for a while and think I'm falling in love with her."
Dad's eyes go wide in horror
"So uh yeah evidently Dad, turns out I kinda did need to know, now this is all kinds of fucked up so thanks for that."
Second cousins are not incest! All is good. Let the fun commence! ..come now, dad, don't be so old-school, i will use a condom.
 

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I see the same here :sneaky: What if dad has reasons to hide the past because he fears he'd lose us if he'd tell. Is afraid to come clean. Its a very legitimate fear for a parent. What if he himself never came to terms with that past. He couldn't let himself fall apart he had a son to raise. Not everyone crumbles under such pressure but the meantime keeps it in the closet unable to burry it for good. I suspect skeletons in dad's closet. But its just me.
This is very interesting. Do we know how old the MC is? I don't recall reading an exact age. I would think his upcoming Birthday would be his 21st thus whatever is in the letter has been set up for years maybe even before he was born and by law the Dad is sworn to secrecy until he "Comes of age" at 21. The Dad did say that the letter was nothing to worry about and he did open it before you even asked him to so i'm not sure it's even something that will be that big of a deal?
 
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The way i see it is that every options are about blaming the grandparents exclusively and thus making certain that the nimbus of dad remain unblemished. As if dad must be the good guy in this story and so the grandparents have to be the bad ones, yes? No.

This idea deals with that 50% if them grandparents are to blame. I sign these. Sure thing no problem but this just 3 options from the angle IF they are the culprit here. What if dad is to blame.

Dad is a saint is seemingly hard coded in the fanbase here yet i prefer a more pragmatic approach. I will buy the "Elitist Grandparent" explanation as soon as we meet them and they prove it to be correct. Untill then lets not forget that it is Dad who keeps us away from them and not the other way around. It is dad who prevents us from making a judgement call. We are old enough. He could have said that okay, lets make a visit and you can see for yourself. But he isn't exactly eager to let us make the connection now is he.

We were a child before so yes, why not. But we aren't anymore. The reason we don't care about our grandparents.. is him. Solely. He instilled the idea in us that they are the bad guys. Nothing proves them to be beside his words. They aren't able to defend themselves or even put up a counter arguement now can they so we are left to believe whatever dad says. A very convenient position to be in.

Its very easy to manipluate the reader/player if the player believes everything the narration says while it was told from the point of view of an in-game character. The idea here is that players think the writer wants them to tell the hidden truth. I can't tell you how many times i tricked my players with such false narratives. It always works. They always expect likable NPCs to tell the truth as if they know the truth and have no other agenda beside transmitting storyteller info.

I see the same here :sneaky: What if dad has reasons to hide the past because he fears he'd lose us if he'd tell. Is afraid to come clean. Its a very legitimate fear for a parent. What if he himself never came to terms with that past. He couldn't let himself fall apart he had a son to raise. Not everyone crumbles under such pressure but the meantime keeps it in the closet unable to burry it for good. I suspect skeletons in dad's closet. But its just me.
as a "reader" of the story I must necessarily trust what I am told, until proven otherwise, otherwise it becomes too tiring

in the end, however, it is MC's father who, we believe, will put MC back in touch with his grandparents, or at least with his mother's family through this famous letter.

if he wanted to avoid it he could continue to do so, so either it is an age-related issue (the proximity to his birthday is suspected), now MC is considered mature to face the situation, not to be excessively influenced etc, or now he has the "legal" age to access a fund or something similar, or an event has occurred that made one of the parties change their mind (an illness of the grandparents, a repentance, etc.)

the question for now has been presented in a fairly simplistic way, on this I agree with you
 

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as a "reader" of the story I must necessarily trust what I am told, until proven otherwise, otherwise it becomes too tiring
Nightmarish isn't it :cool: Don't think for a second that a writer can't (or won't) utilize this simple fact. Misdirection becomes just way too tempting for a storyteller not to use. Its too much fun.
 
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Nightmarish isn't it :cool: Don't think for a second that a writer can't (or won't) utilize this simple fact. Misdirection becomes just way too tempting for a storyteller not to use. Its too much fun.
it is absolutely possible to be deceived by the author, what you say is very credible

but from my point of view, the good author makes sure that you, the reader, misunderstand the situation.
making us lie blatantly by a character presented as positive is a twist (good or not depends on how it's written) but an inelegant way to surprise us later

I give an example linked to BADIK, Josy never tells us that she has a boyfriend (and not a girl) but we players, as a matter of probability, of habit, take it for granted. in this case the author is good and we are naive
 

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I was playing last night at a point in the story where you choose to be with Josy on the night you go visit her and was thinking. Should you turn her down and not stay the night, and not be pursuing Maya (I know there's thing's between them story wise that have to happen) So if you don't sleep with Maya then there isn't cheating right? So does that some how lessen the impact in the big reveal at the end of Ep3? Since the MC hasn't gotten too involved. (I have't played it through yet but just wondering)
Sadly it doesn't. Maya will still treat this as if her interaction with MC was the most life changing experience ever. Whether you have sex with her or not makes little difference, if any. Not to mention some interactions with Maya are unavoidable. So you might as well go all the way in. At least this way it gives their reactions more credibility.
 
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Sadly it doesn't. Maya will still treat this as if her interaction with MC was the most life changing experience ever. Whether you have sex with her or not makes little difference, if any. Not to mention some interactions with Maya are unavoidable. So you might as well go all the way in. At least this way it gives their reactions more credibility.
Yeah, that's kind of the way i thought it might play out reading what others have posted here. Cheers. (y)
 
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all the aspects that being a Burgmeister would add to the story are essentially related to being rich, not surname.
which by the way is not even a certain consequence, MC could also discover that he is a Burgmeister but this would not necessarily lead to having access to their wealth.

moreover most of these evolutions would be quite negative, MC for now is one who solves problems, so he would become one who pays to solve them, a spoiled one like Rusty, one who buys Maya's gratitude ...

I don't think the plot gains anything from this minor "twist".
that MC is linked to a rich family is an established fact already now.

I make 2 hypotheses, based strictly on nothing:
1) MC's family could be a business rival of the Royce, or at least in contrast to them. this hypothesis would add difficulties to the relationship with Jill also smoothing out the social difference
2) MC's family is ready to welcome him as long as he moves away from his father, who remains frowned upon. MC thinks about it and finally refuses. More drama, happy ending


right now it seems to me that there are still no characters designated solely as antagonists.

Quinn and Tommy are definitely the least friendly characters with the most dark sides, but they haven't yet taken that step that would make them MC's nemesis.

between these two it is more likely that a clash, even physical, will take place with Tommy, but I believe there will also be a sort of redemption here
Yeah, I don't think of Tommy as antagonistic at all. Tommy's a massive dick, his character is aggressive but also loyal. I also think he may have brotherly feelings for Josy, he's just really bad at expressing them.

As far as the Burgmeister thing goes, I'm late to the conversation but I don't see the connection there. My pet theory has always been that the MC is a Royce and that his Mother was the older sister that Jill tells him about during their date.
 

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So if you don't sleep with Maya then there isn't cheating right? So does that some how lessen the impact in the big reveal at the end of Ep3? Since the MC hasn't gotten too involved
Don't know about Maya tho cause I took every chance I could get to spend time with her, but with Josy I tried it out. It's still a big revel and schock for everyone, the only thing that changed was at the bathroom. Josy said that he made a move on her and they kissed even tho he knew she was in a relationship.
 
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if you only care about Maya it shouldn't be a problem that MC isn't accepted into the triangle.

it keeps making me laugh that having not had sex with Josy, therefore in fact having rejected her, the game still offers us the option of wanting to be more than friends with both girls
Nah nah nah gotta stop you right there. The reason why I would've turned down Josy at that point would be because of the fact that she is in a relationship. After learning that her relationship was with Maya, you can still propose to them, nothing wrong with that. Just because you don't want to fuck someone who is in a relationship, doesn't mean you reject them. It's a matter of dignity and decency
 

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Nah nah nah gotta stop you right there. The reason why I would've turned down Josy at that point would be because of the fact that she is in a relationship. After learning that her relationship was with Maya, you can still propose to them, nothing wrong with that. Just because you don't want to fuck someone who is in a relationship, doesn't mean you reject them. It's a matter of dignity and decency
the player's motivations matter little though ... ;):p

even in that perspective it continues to seem very forced as a situation

since Josy was in a relationship she was off limit, since now we find out that she is in a relationship with a girl we like can we try?
among other things to be rejected, JUSTLY.

bringing out the usual speech of we are all traitors, when we have not betrayed anyone ...
 

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Hey everyone anyone know about new update relase time? He made any announcment from patreon etc? I saw one image about this game and i started missing <3
 

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Hey everyone anyone know about new update relase time? He made any announcment from patreon etc? I saw one image about this game and i started missing <3
No. Too early. Status updates aren't dealing with release date predictions yet.
 
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Hey, i have question about the Affinity system. Am i correct in thinking that, with choices in the game and losing blocks of the bar (I think the game itself says this) that going forward at some point we are locked into our choices from the character we've made? But doesn't that take away from the overall fun of actually deciding what to do? It's certainly a novel idea but this vn having more "Game" mechanics i would have thought at the point when it comes, removing the choice of the player may piss a lot of people off as that means you would have to go back through hours of content, specifically choosing options (Whether you want to choose them or not) just to keep which ever alignment you want to see going forward. For instance, my first playthrough ended with losing both the "Massive" bars of the Dik and Chick side so where would that have left me? (I've replayed now but just wondering)
 
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Hey, i have question about the Affinity system. Am i correct in thinking that, with choices in the game and losing blocks of the bar (I think the game itself says this) that going forward at some point we are locked into our choices from the character we've made? But doesn't that take away from the overall fun of actually deciding what to do? It's certainly a novel idea but this vn having more "Game" mechanics i would have thought at the point when it comes, removing the choice of the player may piss a lot of people off as that means you would have to go back through hours of content, specifically choosing options (Whether you want to choose them or not) just to keep which ever alignment you want to see going forward. For instance, my first playthrough ended with losing both the "Massive" bars of the Dik and Chick side so where would that have left me? (I've replayed now but just wondering)
the affinity mechanism excludes you from certain situations

as a principle it would also be legitimate, if MC is a well-known thug Jill doesn't trust him to take a shower with him

certainly with the continuation of the game, and with a marked conduct in one direction or another, there is a real risk of being excluded from important situations (such as the agreement with M&J) without having the possibility of recovering
 
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