VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[lemonfreak]

Fair enough, different cultures have different methods of composition and self-expression, I get that. In Sage's place I would've just said "next semester" instead, since that - to my knowledge at least - always refers to those two roughly similar length periods that every school year consists of and can't be misinterpreted.


Inb4 someone reveals that semesters are completely different things in their country and nothing will make sense anymore.

And so, in response to previous reply to me, yes, I am suggesting that she might use calender and academic year interchangeably because, as Brit, that's how I talk

 

[Cabin Fever]

Yes, I'd assume if she was a 3rd year she would say ''I'm graduating next semester" not "next year". So she's in her 4th year and will graduate months later.
Besides it wouldn't make sense for her to be a 3rd year, she was shown as president of HOTs in DIKs flashback where Tommy and Rusty were 1st years. Tommy and Rusty are now 4th years, so Sage should be too.

I don't get why Jill was at the preps mansion at the time, she's currently a 3rd year so she shouldn't be in college during the flashback. I assume she's applying or scouting the preps for a place to stay when she comes to the college next semester.

Tommy & Rusty are now 3rd year students not 4th. They started DIK with Nick & Vinny in year 1 (while Sage & Tybalt were already presidents in their 2nd year). Jacob, JB, Jamie, & Leon joined in Year 2. MC & Derek are the Year 3 guys.

4th year - Sage, Tybalt
3rd year - Tommy, Rusty, Nick, Vinny, Jill
2nd year - Jacob, JB, Jamie, Leon
1st year - MC, Derek

 

[SPACE_BOOOOOST]

Tommy & Rusty are now 3rd year students not 4th. They started DIK with Nick & Vinny in year 1 (while Sage & Tybalt were already presidents in their 2nd year). Jacob, JB, Jamie, & Leon joined in Year 2. MC & Derek are the Year 3 guys.

4th year - Sage, Tybalt
3rd year - Tommy, Rusty, Nick, Vinny, Jill
2nd year - Jacob, JB, Jamie, Leon
1st year - MC, Derek

Jacob and John Boy can't be in the same year with Jamie and Leon if the DIKs only take 2 freshmen into their ranks per year so since Jacob already specified that he lost the cum-petition last year, Jamie and Leon must be from a year before that, which makes Tommy, Rusty and Nick seniors. Also, Vinny was expelled so he's not there at all.

 

[moskyx]

Jacob and John Boy can't be in the same year with Jamie and Leon if the DIKs only take 2 freshmen into their ranks per year so since Jacob already specified that he lost the cum-petition last year, Jamie and Leon must be from a year before that, which makes Tommy, Rusty and Nick seniors. Also, Vinny was expelled so he's not there at all.

They take them by pairs, but not neccesarily only 2 per year. That's never stated

 

[Cabin Fever]

Jacob and John Boy can't be in the same year with Jamie and Leon if the DIKs only take 2 freshmen into their ranks per year so since Jacob already specified that he lost the cum-petition last year, Jamie and Leon must be from a year before that, which makes Tommy, Rusty and Nick seniors. Also, Vinny was expelled so he's not there at all.

When did it say DIK only takes 2 per year? The initiation only mentioned that maggots can only join in pairs.

And yes I know Vinny was expelled and not there. I should have been more clear and wrote he was part of the "Year 1" founders like Tommy, Rusty, & Nick.

 

[SPACE_BOOOOOST]

They take them by pairs, but not neccesarily only 2 per year. That's never stated

When did it say DIK only takes 2 per year? The initiation only mentioned that maggots can only join in pairs.

Tommy claims "we're not accepting more and we're not accepting less" at the start of the cum-petition but yes, it's a line that directly follows the "pairwise testing" one so technically it doesn't mean there can only be one pair a year, that's true.

This really just reaffirms the need for an official codex because so much is not stated clearly and we end up debating semantics.

 

[always86]

Tommy & Rusty are now 3rd year students not 4th. They started DIK with Nick & Vinny in year 1 (while Sage & Tybalt were already presidents in their 2nd year). Jacob, JB, Jamie, & Leon joined in Year 2. MC & Derek are the Year 3 guys.

4th year - Sage, Tybalt
3rd year - Tommy, Rusty, Nick, Vinny, Jill
2nd year - Jacob, JB, Jamie, Leon
1st year - MC, Derek

This broadly makes sense. Possible exception for Jill. During the conversation with Josy she implies she has put off the class they are in for as long as possible. Doesn’t that suggest she’s in her 4th (or final) year as well?

Tommy claims "we're not accepting more and we're not accepting less" at the start of the cum-petition but yes, it's a line that directly follows the "pairwise testing" one so technically it doesn't mean there can only be one pair a year, that's true.

This really just reaffirms the need for an official codex because so much is not stated clearly and we end up debating semantics.

DIKs have to pass hell week in pairs. In other words you could have six pairs so 12 guys attempting to pass hell week. But either both of a pair pass or neither do. So the minimum to qualify is two. Then it would be 4, 6, 8, 10, 12.

 

[Cabin Fever]

This broadly makes sense. Possible exception for Jill. During the conversation with Josy she implies she has put off the class they are in for as long as possible. Doesn’t that suggest she’s in her 4th (or final) year as well?

Jill's EXACT words in that very sentence was "No, I'm a third-year student. I've just been postponing this class for as long as possible."

 

[SPACE_BOOOOOST]

This broadly makes sense. Possible exception for Jill. During the conversation with Josy she implies she has put off the class they are in for as long as possible. Doesn’t that suggest she’s in her 4th (or final) year as well?

Not necessarily, putting it off as long as possible just means there can be no more delay. That could simply be because it's a prerequisite for another class (if that's even a thing in the US or in Sweden too, I'm getting paranoid at this point) and not taking it now would mean she wouldn't be able to finish her studies in time. That said, I somehow doubt DPC went this much into detail when writing that scene.

DIKs have to pass hell week in pairs. In other words you could have six pairs so 12 guys attempting to pass hell week. But either both of a pair pass or neither do. So the minimum to qualify is two. Then it would be 4, 6, 8, 10, 12.

Yeah, the upper limit isn't specifically stated either so maybe you're right about the possibility of having 3,4,5,6 pairs and maybe you aren't, it's not clarified. Thing is, we're gradually being told about the exact rules of the joining process, up until the start of episode 5 everyone was under the assumption that every task had to be completed in order for someone to pass. We probably still don't have the whole picture.

 

[moskyx]

Tommy claims "we're not accepting more and we're not accepting less" at the start of the cum-petition but yes, it's a line that directly follows the "pairwise testing" one so technically it doesn't mean there can only be one pair a year, that's true.

This really just reaffirms the need for an official codex because so much is not stated clearly and we end up debating semantics.

I guess he claims that because this year there are only 3 pledgers, who may become 2. As they need them to be paired, this year they wouldn't accept the 3 of them, but neither they can accept only 1. When pledgers are an even number, I guess the CUM-petition is not eliminatory

 

[Dashxp4k]

Jill's EXACT words in that very sentence was "No, I'm a third-year student. I've just been postponing this class for as long as possible."

for Yall

 

[SoraNiUteba]

Tommy & Rusty are now 3rd year students not 4th. They started DIK with Nick & Vinny in year 1 (while Sage & Tybalt were already presidents in their 2nd year). Jacob, JB, Jamie, & Leon joined in Year 2. MC & Derek are the Year 3 guys.

4th year - Sage, Tybalt
3rd year - Tommy, Rusty, Nick, Vinny, Jill
2nd year - Jacob, JB, Jamie, Leon
1st year - MC, Derek

They are 4th years. They always get 2 maggots every year to become DIKs. The first year is an exception because they were starting, Tommy and Rusty needed to recruit at least 2 more.

4th years - Tommy, Rusty, Nick, Vinny
3rd years - Jamie, Leon
2nd years - Jacob, John boy (Jacob literally said him and John boy were last year's maggots)
1st years - MC, Derek

 

[Cabin Fever]

They are 4th years. They always get 2 maggots every year to become DIKs. The first year is an exception because they were starting, Tommy and Rusty needed to recruit at least 2 more.

4th years - Tommy, Rusty, Nick, Vinny
3rd years - Jamie, Leon
2nd years - Jacob, John boy (Jacob literally said him and John boy were last year's maggots)
1st years - MC, Derek

It's not always 2 maggots every year. It's always in pairs but it was never ever stated in game that they only allow just 2.

 

[crabsinthekitchen]

They are 4th years. They always get 2 maggots every year to become DIKs. The first year is an exception because they were starting, Tommy and Rusty needed to recruit at least 2 more.

4th years - Tommy, Rusty, Nick, Vinny
3rd years - Jamie, Leon
2nd years - Jacob, John boy (Jacob literally said him and John boy were last year's maggots)
1st years - MC, Derek

 

[flippityflop]

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So where did this notion that the DIKs have juniors and seniors in their frat come from exactly?
Is DPC being inconsistent or he just sucks at math? Or some people just pull these numbers out of their asses?

 

[RonnieBoi]

Sadly, I think the Sage route is a dead end. She's a senior and when she graduates in the spring, off she goes. Unless she gets a job on campus, I don't see her showing up that often. No graduating woman is going to want to go back to their high school or college on a regular basis to hang out with a bunch of younger, sophomoric, drunken male students. Guys may do that to get some younger tail, but the ladies...not so much in my experience. They're eager to start their adult lives.

But the ladies... may do it too... in cases of baseball bat addiction

 

[Cabin Fever]

So where did this notion that the DIKs have juniors and seniors in their frat come from exactly?
Is DPC being inconsistent or he just sucks at math? Or some people just pull these numbers out of their asses?

There is no inconsistency. DIK fraternity has been around for 2 years (Year 1 - Rusty, Tommy, Nick, & Vinny / Year 2 - Jamie, Leon, JB, & Jacob) with MC & Derek joining in the 3rd year of the fraternity's existence.

 

[ninetofive]

Seriously guys 3 pages of debate over whether Sage's route will just expire midway through the game because she's a senior?

We're 6 episodes in, out of a possible 12-20 I believe was the estimate, and we're like 1 month in.

Have I missed something here or are you guys just talking for the sake of talking again?

 

[Elsie Bray]

Seriously guys 3 pages of debate over whether Sage's route will just expire midway through the game because she's a senior?

We're 6 episodes in, out of a possible 12-20 I believe was the estimate, and we're like 1 month in.

Have I missed something here or are you guys just talking for the sake of talking again?

2 weeks in I believe.

There is no inconsistency. DIK fraternity has been around for 2 years (Year 1 - Rusty, Tommy, Nick, & Vinny / Year 2 - Jamie, Leon, JB, & Jacob) with MC & Derek joining in the 3rd year of the fraternity's existence.

So to clarify Rusty, Tommy, Nick, Quinn, Jill, and maybe Heather are 3rd years. Sage is a 4th year senior, maybe Tybalt too? If he's president of the preps and has been around before Rusty.

 

[DavDR]

Thanks, I was about to give up, couldn't find it. Well I'm not going to assume DPC just "forgot" what he wrote one episode earlier, doesn't seem like something he'd do. And as Wizard_Shiryuu has pointed it out, the use of "next year" in a different context could be due to the language barrier. I haven't considered that because my native language has the same words just like in English and during 6 years of university I've never heard someone use that term referring to calendar years when the topic was school related.

I'll just go cry in a corner now.

I'm like you man, Sage is my main LI and I don't consider her route a dead end.

First, the story in this game will probably end around Christmas of the current year. Sage IS leaving the following spring and I'm expecting her and the MC's relationship to end. That doesn't necessarily mean all hope is lost though. In the tradition of college romantic comedy movies I'm half expecting a 'Where are they now' post script to the story where DPC lays out the future's for all the characters.

My fantasy ending for Sage and the MC has them both focusing on their careers after college, and not so much on settling down with someone and having a family. Then a few years later they meet again at a business conference or something and immediately realize that the feeling they had in college are still there.

And seriously it's just as likely as any of the other choices, a relationship with a married woman who's twice your age? Being the third wheel in a lesbian relationship? Or being Mr. Royce with Jill?