VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[moskyx]

Indeed, however, that's not necessarily his lack of ability, or bad writing, it's quite the opposite. What DPC is doing, is that using all the well worked elements that hollywood use in every fucking tv show and movies , and implementing to in his own ideas. that's why he is good, He understand the "game" or the "playground". every television show, every movies, use exactly the same tropes he use, and it's working, its still working since decades. Shipping characters to be together, will never be old, and the "will they won't they" will never gets old.
most of the drama in every show could be easily fixed if the characters would simply just talk to each other and act like racional peoples, but they don't do that because then the angst , the drama, the suspension is gone.
and to be fair, peoples rarely behave rationally in real life to. .

So in short he just does what it's working, why change that?

I didn't say it was lack of ability nor he need to change his work. You obviously need some ability to build all those stories together and make a successful product. But it's also obvious many plot elements are only based either on character's inability to proper communicate themselves or character's abilty to make cuestionable, borderline illogical choices - a soap opera in a nutshell. This may be quite common in entertainment business and as you say there are lots of successful games, movies and TV shows riding on those elements. But people have different tolerance limits to all those writing tricks and in BaDIK's case mine was surpassed long ago. So for me it's even infuriating to see yet another one added to the mix, like 'c'mon, man, you really don't know how to build drama and suspense without this'?

 

[sbarabaus]

Well, she's also thought things like 'please come back, I forgive you' as well as asked for forgiveness. So its not that he's in a coma or unable to return somehow. He's actively gone away on his own, specifically because of what happened between him and Bella. (Unless Bella is just complete batshit bonkers, which allows for anything to happen)

the "coma or something similar" bit is about the "return" word
if she thinks "please return", of course he isn't dead (unless bella has gone completely crazy)
but he may just be away mentally, not physically
we just can't know at this point, and DPC could move that subplot in multiple ways and it'd still be fine

 

[johndoe19]

I tried looking on the first page, but is there a episode 6 save for the paths? I had to reset my pc and lost all my progress.

 

[Holy Bacchus]

The ending of episode 6 confused me:

Are we supposed to infer that Mona dropped out and Burke deleted her scholarship accordingly, or that Burke blackmailed Mona into dropping out to keep her quiet about not fucking him at the snobs party, or was Burke just randomly deleting her scholarship for the evulz at the same time Mona was dropping out and the two events are unrelated?

I think it's fairly clear that Mona has dropped out and Burke was deleting the fake scholarship he had made for her. Maya snapped at Quinn after finding out the tuition was a lie and she found that out because Mona accidentally let it slip, and since Mona was already on thin ice with Quinn, Quinn may have either threatened Mona again or told Mona she was out of the HOTs. In either case, Mona's probably decided it's best to leave rather than risk gettting more caught up in all of this.

I would take all this at face value and accept it.

If only that one comment by MC at the end of the episode where he kissed Bella. "If I knew why she was crying, I'd call for help."

That.... is not some run of the mill comment. That's some "I just found a dead body and something is majorly fucked up" comment.

People take this to meaning that it's something dark and sinister, but it could just be a big red herring misidrection to make people think that. If Bella feels guilty for doing something that caused her marriage to fall apart, then kissing another guy in the library is going to bring up those emotions, and the MC feeling that, in hindsight, they would have called for help had they known why she was crying could just mean emotional support to help her deal with her feelings surrounding this break-up and to perhaps accept that it's well and truly over.

What you mean "OP"

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Original/Opening Post, actually; the first post in the thread.

 

[Deleted member 2528490]

the "coma or something similar" bit is about the "return" word
if she thinks "please return", of course he isn't dead (unless bella has gone completely crazy)
but he may just be away mentally, not physically
we just can't know at this point, and DPC could move that subplot in multiple ways and it'd still be fine

My point was that you don't say 'i forgive you, please return' or 'return, please forgive me' if the person is in unconscious or brain damaged or something. The asking for forgiveness and giving forgiveness adds a component to 'please return' that raises the situation from "he is unable to return" to "he refuses to return".

 

[paulphoenix]

hello friends, i got a damn fucking bug with the last version of being a dik, when i check the smartphone in game, and choose characters bios, i see the names of the characters, but not anymore the story i have done with them. do you know how to fix this ?


history is gone for all characters, has anyone a clue, i am runing non patched original version 0.6.1 on windows 7.

it seems my choice are not recorded anymore in the history session. am i the only one to have this behaviour ?

thanks for your help

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[ename144]

however, it can only be one of two things.

or Mona leaves because Burke / Quinn have revoked her scholarship

or Burke cancels the scholarship because Mona has decided to leave

they are both credible, but in my opinion the latter is better

As they say, correlation does not equal causation. It's possible (even likely IMHO) that both Mona leaving and Burke deleting her scholarship were consequences of something else, namely Mona backing out of Quinn's restaurant deal.

I think it's fairly clear that Mona has dropped out and Burke was deleting the fake scholarship he had made for her. Maya snapped at Quinn after finding out the tuition was a lie and she found that out because Mona accidentally let it slip, and since Mona was already on thin ice with Quinn, Quinn may have either threatened Mona again or told Mona she was out of the HOTs. In either case, Mona's probably decided it's best to leave rather than risk gettting more caught up in all of this.

I agree with the general point, but I think Mona decided to leave on her own. Quinn was undoubtedly furious at her, but kicking Mona out immediately after inducting her into the HOTs would raise lots of problematic questions. Even Quinn would recognize that (probably).

I think it's more likely that Mona left on her own because: a) she realized it was only a matter of time before the truth came out, b) she was sick of having to keep Quinn's secrets without any of the benefits, c) she felt guilty over having to take Quinn's side over Maya, d) she decided to leave before Quinn had a chance to do anything worse to her, or e) some combination of the above.

 

[felicemastronzo]

As they say, correlation does not equal causation. It's possible (even likely IMHO) that both Mona leaving and Burke deleting her scholarship were consequences of something else, namely Mona backing out of Quinn's restaurant deal.



I agree with the general point, but I think Mona decided to leave on her own. Quinn was undoubtedly furious at her, but kicking Mona out immediately after inducting her into the HOTs would raise lots of problematic questions. Even Quinn would recognize that (probably).

I think it's more likely that Mona left on her own because: a) she realized it was only a matter of time before the truth came out, b) she was sick of having to keep Quinn's secrets without any of the benefits, c) she felt guilty over having to take Quinn's side over Maya, d) she decided to leave before Quinn had a chance to do anything worse to her, or e) some combination of the above.

that's why I talked about Burke / Quinn

surely the question of the restaurant and Mona's abandonment to "Burke's consummation" is part of the story

but in the end there are only two ways, there is no need to complicate each situation.

or Mona decided to leave (because of Quinn's behavior, Camilla's turnaround etc), so Burke took note and canceled her scholarship. (superficially still one less problem for Quinn and Burke)

or Mona has suffered this punitive choice of Quinn and Burke, and at that point she has agreed to a change of scenery anyway (not paying for the enrollment in a college where she has no reason to want to stay)


I don't think Mona cares much that she didn't support Maya, that she also supported her, what good would it do?

and as you write: for me too Mona left the BR on her own initiative

 

[ename144]

that's why I talked about Burke / Quinn

surely the question of the restaurant and Mona's abandonment to "Burke's consummation" is part of the story

but in the end there are only two ways, there is no need to complicate each situation.

or Mona decided to leave (because of Quinn's behavior, Camilla's turnaround etc), so Burke took note and canceled her scholarship. (superficially still one less problem for Quinn and Burke)

or Mona has suffered this punitive choice of Quinn and Burke, and at that point she has agreed to a change of scenery anyway (not paying for the enrollment in a college where she has no reason to want to stay)


I don't think Mona cares much that she didn't support Maya, that she also supported her, what good would it do?

and as you write: for me too Mona left the BR on her own initiative

My point is that Burke's action doesn't necessarily follow from Mona's decision to leave. It's probable that he would have canceled her "scholarship" even if she decided to tough it out and stay at B&R.

IMHO, Burke is canceling her scholarship because she backed out of the deal for free tuition. Mona is also leaving because she backed out of the deal, but the two actions are not directly linked to each other. They're linked to Mona running off during the prep party.

 

[sbarabaus]

and as you write: for me too Mona left the BR on her own initiative

i agree she wasn't expelled, there was really no reason to

IMHO, Burke is canceling her scholarship because she backed out of the deal for free tuition

well, isn't this obvious?

 

[Darkmetal]

If only that one comment by MC at the end of the episode where he kissed Bella. "If I knew why she was crying, I'd call for help."

Well, she's also thought things like 'please come back, I forgive you' as well as asked for forgiveness. So its not that he's in a coma or unable to return somehow. He's actively gone away on his own, specifically because of what happened between him and Bella.

I'm a proponent of the theory that the big trauma was Bella losing/miscarrying a baby (these things break up families and can cause Bella to shy away from sex). That Bella and James blame each other for it to a certain extent. He left. The locked room is a child's nursery that was never (or only briefly) used. Hints of roving eyes or hearts are ancillary and not traumatic enough for the words used in the library scene nor to cause Bella to stop smiling for 3 years.

As a big Bella fan in for the long haul, I even described it in "Coldplay."

 

[Deleted member 3006697]

I'm a proponent of the theory that the big trauma was Bella losing/miscarrying a baby (these things break up families and can cause Bella to shy away from sex). That Bella and James blame each other for it to a certain extent. He left. The locked room is a child's nursery that was never (or only briefly) used. Hints of roving eyes or hearts are ancillary and not traumatic enough for the words used in the library scene nor to cause Bella to stop smiling for 3 years.

Out of all theories this one sounds most convincing to me

 

[Deleted member 2528490]

I'm a proponent of the theory that the big trauma was Bella losing/miscarrying a baby (these things break up families and can cause Bella to shy away from sex). That Bella and James blame each other for it to a certain extent. He left. The locked room is a child's nursery that was never (or only briefly) used. Hints of roving eyes or hearts are ancillary and not traumatic enough for the words used in the library scene nor to cause Bella to stop smiling for 3 years.

As a big Bella fan in for the long haul, I even described it in "Coldplay."
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Damn son. I never even considered the miscarriage/losing a baby angle. Yeah, thats the sort of thing that'll fuck up a woman for years. I like this theory.

 

[AchedCroissant]

hello friends, i got a damn fucking bug with the last version of being a dik, when i check the smartphone in game, and choose characters bios, i see the names of the characters, but not anymore the story i have done with them. do you know how to fix this ?


history is gone for all characters, has anyone a clue, i am runing non patched original version 0.6.1 on windows 7.

it seems my choice are not recorded anymore in the history session. am i the only one to have this behaviour ?

thanks for your help

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Start a new game and see if you still have that problem

 

[`Ray`]

I'm a proponent of the theory that the big trauma was Bella losing/miscarrying a baby (these things break up families and can cause Bella to shy away from sex). That Bella and James blame each other for it to a certain extent. He left. The locked room is a child's nursery that was never (or only briefly) used. Hints of roving eyes or hearts are ancillary and not traumatic enough for the words used in the library scene nor to cause Bella to stop smiling for 3 years.

As a big Bella fan in for the long haul, I even described it in "Coldplay."
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Oo man , did this guy just spoil the story?

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[Deleted member 2528490]

Oo man , did this guy just spoil the story?

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If DPC starts disparaging certain unnamed websites again, we'll have our answer.

 

[shazba]

I'm a proponent of the theory that the big trauma was Bella losing/miscarrying a baby (these things break up families and can cause Bella to shy away from sex). That Bella and James blame each other for it to a certain extent. He left. The locked room is a child's nursery that was never (or only briefly) used. Hints of roving eyes or hearts are ancillary and not traumatic enough for the words used in the library scene nor to cause Bella to stop smiling for 3 years.

As a big Bella fan in for the long haul, I even described it in "Coldplay."
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Out of all theories this one sounds most convincing to me

Damn son. I never even considered the miscarriage/losing a baby angle. Yeah, thats the sort of thing that'll fuck up a woman for years. I like this theory.

Oo man , did this guy just spoil the story?

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Miscarriages are seriously common. Like 10 - 15% of known pregnancies result in a miscarriage. That's why a lot of women don't make a big deal to family and friends until they've reached the second trimester. Most women just quietly deal with it. Whilst it's upsetting, it's more upsetting if they continue to miscarriage multiple times (i.e. they can't have a baby), but a single miscarriage? I don't think it's possible this is Bella's story.

Now if a husband left his wife because she miscarried, he can just fuck off and die.

That said, the locked room could be a nursery...

 

[paulphoenix]

Start a new game and see if you still have that problem

thanks i will try but i hope i will not loose rewards or progress. it would be horrible to restart it from the beginning.

 

[felicemastronzo]

My point is that Burke's action doesn't necessarily follow from Mona's decision to leave. It's probable that he would have canceled her "scholarship" even if she decided to tough it out and stay at B&R.

IMHO, Burke is canceling her scholarship because she backed out of the deal for free tuition. Mona is also leaving because she backed out of the deal, but the two actions are not directly linked to each other. They're linked to Mona running off during the prep party.

it wouldn't make much sense .. kicking out whoever wants to leave. instead, canceling the scholarship of a student who withdraws is practically a duty


but even so, Burke's action would become completely irrelevant

 

[Deleted member 3006697]

That's why a lot of women don't make a big deal to family and friends

I don't have much idea about miscarriages but for plot this theory sounds just right. Not too much like "psychopath serial killer" nor something completely stupid, this one has just right amount of drama.

Now if a husband left his wife because she miscarried, he can just fuck off and die.

+1 on this