Blades1138

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Next you're gonna try to argue that welfare has no positive impact on the employment opportunities of the impoverished. ;)
I thought we were trying to have a valid discussion, not attempt to discount arguments through logic fallacies.
But if you'd like to prove your point - feel free to explain how poor behavior can serve as a positive example to others, especially someone who's also exhibiting the same already.

Or if you instead meant to imply that Quinn falling in love with MC is actually in character for her then, I guess we'll just have to disagree on that.
 
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JamieSadistic

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I thought we were trying to have a valid discussion, not attempt to discount arguments through logic fallacies.
But if you'd like to prove your point - feel free to explain how poor behavior can serve as a positive example to others, especially someone who's also exhibiting the same already.

Or if you instead meant to imply that Quinn falling in love with MC is actually in character for her then, I guess we'll just have to disagree on that.
I never once said poor behavior can serve as a positive example to others. The MC/Quinn relationship is complicated at best but I'll explain my points to you. Up until MC came to campus, Quinn was basically the outcast.. somebody that didn't fit in with the rich kids that surrounded her. Enter MC...somebody who's from the same side of the proverbial tracks as she is, only raised differently. She sees him and how he acts as an alternative. Sort of like a light in the darkness sense. That explains why Quinn was quasi apologetic for stealing his clothes... we all know Quinn doesn't apologize, but with MC... it's different. Why? Why does Quinn treat MC differently than she treats literally everyone else?
 
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kaloid01

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I guess you mean the save file location. For all Ren'py games, it's in ~/Library/Renpy/(name of game).
Ah yes i mean save file, i found the library one and tried changing it with another one but when i open the game there is no save file. Is there a guide to change save files?
 

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I never once said poor behavior can serve as a positive example to others. The MC/Quinn relationship is complicated at best but I'll explain my points to you. Up until MC came to campus, Quinn was basically the outcast.. somebody that didn't fit in with the rich kids that surrounded her. Enter MC...somebody who's from the same side of the proverbial tracks as she is, only raised differently. She sees him and how he acts as an alternative. Sort of like a light in the darkness sense. That explains why Quinn was quasi apologetic for stealing his clothes... we all know Quinn doesn't apologize, but with MC... it's different. Why? Why does Quinn treat MC differently than she treats literally everyone else?
If she were a real person, I'd have said I don't know why. But she's a fictional character written by DPC with the intention of providing a specific plot point, which you're buying into. It is obvious that in-fiction she's changing because of MC and possibly 'falling for him'.
But I'm not arguing against what's happening, I'm saying that logically it doesn't make sense considering her character as someone who's only out for herself. Suspension of disbelief is broken for me. It wouldn't bother me if it was done realistically, but as it is it's very jarring and implausible.
 

kaloid01

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Guys, so i get this save file from here and copied it and it worked, however why all of the gallery still locked? Is there a way to unlocked all the gallery with save files?
 

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Ah yes i mean save file, i found the library one and tried changing it with another one but when i open the game there is no save file. Is there a guide to change save files?
Just dropping a save file in the correct folder should be enough. Check the name of the save file. If for example, the name starts with 6, the save will show up in the game on page 6 of the save files.
 

kaloid01

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Just dropping a save file in the correct folder should be enough. Check the name of the save file. If for example, the name starts with 6, the save will show up in the game on page 6 of the save files.
yes i found it, just wondering why my gallery still locked? I already played the game till episode 5 back then but now the gallery is empty. Please help, thanks.
 

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If she were a real person, I'd have said I don't know why. But she's a fictional character written by DPC with the intention of providing a specific plot point, which you're buying into. It is obvious that in-fiction she's changing because of MC and possibly 'falling for him'.
But I'm not arguing against what's happening, I'm saying that logically it doesn't make sense considering her character as someone who's only out for herself. Suspension of disbelief is broken for me. It wouldn't bother me if it was done realistically, but as it is it's very jarring and implausible.
That's....not....what I'm saying at all?
Yes I know it's fictional but her traits are based in reality. I know people just like Quinn in real life.
You're subscribed to the fact that DPC wrote Quinn as a one dimensional character. That's not the case, if you look at every other character in game, you'll see that they all have layers. In the beginning, Quinn may have only been out for herself but that's not who she's becoming. The little interactions between her and MC...or even her and Tommy, you can see the emotion in them. If she was only out for herself, she wouldn't give two shits about what people thought about her.
I think you just see through the lens of black and white and "QUINN BAD! QUINN NOT GOOD!" so you refuse to see any validity in my points.
 

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That's....not....what I'm saying at all?
Yes I know it's fictional but her traits are based in reality. I know people just like Quinn in real life.
You're subscribed to the fact that DPC wrote Quinn as a one dimensional character. That's not the case, if you look at every other character in game, you'll see that they all have layers. In the beginning, Quinn may have only been out for herself but that's not who she's becoming. The little interactions between her and MC...or even her and Tommy, you can see the emotion in them. If she was only out for herself, she wouldn't give two shits about what people thought about her.
I think you just see through the lens of black and white and "QUINN BAD! QUINN NOT GOOD!" so you refuse to see any validity in my points.
Well, it sounds like your personal feelings are what's driving you to defend her here, exactly because you know people like her in real life. I certainly hope you're not making excuses for them as well though, because those kinds of people hurt others for real, not in a fictional setting.

I personally don't subscribe to the reasoning that good traits can excuse having a horrible side. If a world renown surgeon saves thousands of lives in his job, but turns out to be a pedophile and child rapist, does that make him a good person ? It is an extreme example, not meant to be a complete parallel, but Quinn is doing harm one way or another.
There's a saying that every villain is the hero of their own story, and while she may not be on the extreme end of things, she's definitely not a good person. Everyone has an excuse or reasons for their behavior, but a line has to be drawn somewhere as to what's acceptable and what's not.
 
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That's....not....what I'm saying at all?
Yes I know it's fictional but her traits are based in reality. I know people just like Quinn in real life.
You're subscribed to the fact that DPC wrote Quinn as a one dimensional character. That's not the case, if you look at every other character in game, you'll see that they all have layers. In the beginning, Quinn may have only been out for herself but that's not who she's becoming. The little interactions between her and MC...or even her and Tommy, you can see the emotion in them. If she was only out for herself, she wouldn't give two shits about what people thought about her.
I think you just see through the lens of black and white and "QUINN BAD! QUINN NOT GOOD!" so you refuse to see any validity in my points.
I don't know if Quinn has a crush on MC, but I think she sees different things in him than in other guys. All guys see Quinn as a sex toy. On the other hand, MC does not see her that way, we can even try to kiss her, and she does not want to because logically she is not used to that. I think that even though she is not a Main Li, DPC is turning her into Main indirectly and there might be some history with her
 

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So its fine for Chad to use Sage to hide the fact he is gay but its not fine for Sage to find out who he was chating on her with?
I think the adult thing is for Chad to tell her that in private and to not involve anyone else on this, incluiding MC but I have a feeling from the way Chad has been acting that that isnt going to happen and MC will have to do it for him.
It has nothing to do with who he cheated with. My personal opinion is that it's not fine to out someone, and if MC tells Sage what he saw, he's effectively outing Chad, which, again, I personally think is fucked up, regardless of what he did/didn't do to Sage.

To the point. Sage will find out about Chad and Troy eventually and if the MC knew and Sage didn't say anything, she will lose trust in the MC. This could cause several problems. :unsure:
I mean, if that's how she takes it, then fuck it. But that's 100000% not MC's secret to tell, in my opinion, regardless of the circumstances. At most, I'd be okay with MC talking to Chad privately and trying to encourage him to tell the truth.

If the MC doesn't say anything to Sage, it's gonna go wrong. Knowing the truth will be less worse for Sage than thinking that one of the HOTs was having sex with Chad.
Tbh, in this case, I don't really think it's about what's best for Sage. Obviously, what's best for Sage is to be aware that Chad didn't act that way because of her specifically, but because he's attracted to men, but is that what's best for Chad? Chad's secret is a very big one that would likely shake his entire world up if it came out, especially if it came out in a way that he wasn't able to control. Sage thinking her sisters fucked her man is... super minor in comparison, and if Sage ever truly loved Chad, then I'd hope that she wouldn't want him to be outed against his wishes either, no matter the circumstances. Again, this is just my personal opinion.
 

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It has nothing to do with who he cheated with. My personal opinion is that it's not fine to out someone, and if MC tells Sage what he saw, he's effectively outing Chad, which, again, I personally think is fucked up, regardless of what he did/didn't do to Sage.



I mean, if that's how she takes it, then fuck it. But that's 100000% not MC's secret to tell, in my opinion, regardless of the circumstances. At most, I'd be okay with MC talking to Chad privately and trying to encourage him to tell the truth.



Tbh, in this case, I don't really think it's about what's best for Sage. Obviously, what's best for Sage is to be aware that Chad didn't act that way because of her specifically, but because he's attracted to men, but is that what's best for Chad? Chad's secret is a very big one that would likely shake his entire world up if it came out, especially if it came out in a way that he wasn't able to control. Sage thinking her sisters fucked her man is... super minor in comparison, and if Sage ever truly loved Chad, then I'd hope that she wouldn't want him to be outed against his wishes either, no matter the circumstances. Again, this is just my personal opinion.
As she said, she has felt less attractive since she broke up with Chad, because she is super sexy, beautiful, etc., and he changed her for another girl. So what is worse for her? To think that he changed her for a better girl, or that he changed her for a man because she couldn't satisfy him as a woman?
 
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