VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[Deleted member 3691867]

It's going to take several posts to straighten out the Maya dindu nuthin faction. The MC is thrown out of his dorm room by Troy, slips on a flyer on the floor in the hallway, and is introduced to Maya, who asks him if he needs help. Maya tells the MC about the four fraternities and one sorority on campus and says she is also a freshman but has been to the campus before.

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The first thing she tells the MC about the HOT sorority when he asks about it:

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The MC's response:

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The very next words out of her mouth:

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Kind of unofficial means Maya should be asking someone other than Quinn, and what exactly are their criteria?

Then she tells the MC:

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Because:

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And then she stops explaining. And then she gives the MC this line:

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Then they go their separate ways until class. At class, Maya tells the MC this:

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And:

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Which means what? Quinn was partially against it?

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The MC asks her who Quinn is, to which she responds:

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Then she tells the MC she can't spend time with him because:

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Then at the next class Maya talks the MC into joining the gender studies class. Then they go to lunch. At lunch Maya gives the MC this line:

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The next time we see Maya is when the MC and Derek are sitting on the bench outside. Derek convinces Maya to allow the MC to stay with her for one night. When they get to her room she tells the MC:

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So, she asked for complete honesty from the MC but is less than completely honest in return. After a few unimportant interactions she tells the MC this:

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The MC asks:

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To which she responds:

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Late at night the MC is worried that she's not back yet and tries to call her:

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Then Maya comes into the room, sees the MC is asleep, and sexually molests him with three HOT members watching because of some promise of free tuition if she meets their criteria.

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This all takes place in Episode 1. Now, how do you blame Quinn lying about free tuition for Maya lying to the MC and sexually assaulting him for free tuition, whether or not free tuition actually existed? Who wants to argue that if there had actually been free tuition what Maya did would be acceptable? Does anyone want to argue that if the MC had been the one thinking there was free tuition and had done the same thing to Maya it would be OK?

Maya's sexual orientation, her father being a prick, and Quinn being a manipulator have no bearing on her own personal responsibility for her actions. She's a grown adult who doesn't know how to handle situations like an adult. "Well, I really shouldn't rape this guy but I need the money!"

Please.

We weren't discussing what Maya did in Episode 1 but what Quinn did and those two things have no relation as to whether one is more valid than the other. You are leaving the subject and going to another. What Quinn did it's on her and what Maya did the same.

I blame Quinn for lying in the same way that I blame Maya for sexually assaulting the MC when he was sleeping. What Maya did is not acceptable. Nobody is saying that Maya did nothing wrong, that is a twist of words on your part and more if you take into account that we were discussing a different event with another character and you suddenly changed the focus of the discussion.

Another thing, we already know that Maya was not honest with the MC at first and she admits that at the end of Episode 4 in the library, asking the MC for his forgiveness for not letting him get close to her.
It is obvious that she has trust problems and that is why she asks the MC for honesty and little by little she tries to tell the MC although it takes a long time, until the truth comes out alone. I would say that it was more on DPC to have a dramatic effect.

 

[oyemiperro]

It's going to take several posts to straighten out the Maya dindu nuthin faction. The MC is thrown out of his dorm room by Troy, slips on a flyer on the floor in the hallway, and is introduced to Maya, who asks him if he needs help. Maya tells the MC about the four fraternities and one sorority on campus and says she is also a freshman but has been to the campus before.

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The first thing she tells the MC about the HOT sorority when he asks about it:

View attachment 1193668

The MC's response:

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The very next words out of her mouth:

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Kind of unofficial means Maya should be asking someone other than Quinn, and what exactly are their criteria?

Then she tells the MC:

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Because:

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And then she stops explaining. And then she gives the MC this line:

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Then they go their separate ways until class. At class, Maya tells the MC this:

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And:

View attachment 1193678

Which means what? Quinn was partially against it?

View attachment 1193681

The MC asks her who Quinn is, to which she responds:

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Then she tells the MC she can't spend time with him because:

View attachment 1193687

Then at the next class Maya talks the MC into joining the gender studies class. Then they go to lunch. At lunch Maya gives the MC this line:

View attachment 1193694

The next time we see Maya is when the MC and Derek are sitting on the bench outside. Derek convinces Maya to allow the MC to stay with her for one night. When they get to her room she tells the MC:

View attachment 1193703

So, she asked for complete honesty from the MC but is less than completely honest in return. After a few unimportant interactions she tells the MC this:

View attachment 1193715

The MC asks:

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To which she responds:

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Late at night the MC is worried that she's not back yet and tries to call her:

View attachment 1193727

Then Maya comes into the room, sees the MC is asleep, and sexually molests him with three HOT members watching because of some promise of free tuition if she meets their criteria.

View attachment 1193731

This all takes place in Episode 1. Now, how do you blame Quinn lying about free tuition for Maya lying to the MC and sexually assaulting him for free tuition, whether or not free tuition actually existed? Who wants to argue that if there had actually been free tuition what Maya did would be acceptable? Does anyone want to argue that if the MC had been the one thinking there was free tuition and had done the same thing to Maya it would be OK?

Maya's sexual orientation, her father being a prick, and Quinn being a manipulator have no bearing on her own personal responsibility for her actions. She's a grown adult who doesn't know how to handle situations like an adult. "Well, I really shouldn't rape this guy but I need the money!"

Please.

Wow, that was some discipline and analysis. This adds to all the hate for not so favorite blonde, GO JADE!!!

 

[Deleted member 3691867]

In episode 7, I think it was on the drive back from tennis, Bella openly admits she thinks the fake Tybalt posts are funny. I kinda found that out of character for her, so I don't know if that possibly excludes her from the lists of subjects, or if it makes her the prime suspect, but I thought it was interesting.

Yeah, that made me think that Bella might be behind the troll account that makes fun of what Tybalt posts on Rooster.

 

[Odin73]

https://f95zone.to/threads/being-a-dik-v0-7-2-dr-pinkcake.25332/post-4611800

Not much answer I am looking for but thank for the information. I just need more information.

 

[Warscared]

Am I wrong or you just sayd you pretend to explain people in this forum what to thing? Why dont you cool down a little.



Bullshits. How you justify Quinn (and the DIKS) for electrocute the MC and kidnap him? How you justify the MC for breaking in the HOT house and stealing panties from the HOT's, wich is sexually assault. And since you manage a wide definition of rape, what about Quinn forcing Maya to have sex with the MC, while the MC was willing to collaborate.

that`s just Quinn humor .. there where 2 other pledges and according to Sarah they went willingly but Q had to spice it up! the MC is lucky she did not use handcuffs and a prostate simulator aka a dildo or a vibrator!

I say Maya is two-faced because she doesn’t like the HOTs but she going to pretend to them she does in order to join. If I pretended to be your friend so I could get something from you while telling others that I think you’re a slut, that’d be two-faced right there.

Now I get why Maya wanted to use the HOTs, she doesn’t perceive she has many options and she’s desperate.

I’ll extend that being two-faced isn’t her defining feature, but it is in regards to joining the HOTs, hence my comment stands. Sage is trying to help someone re-join the HOTs who doesn’t even have any respect for them in the first place and just wanted to use them.

So yeah, two faced.


Now her dad doesn’t hate her, he loves her and he’s trying to "fix" her homosexuality with threats. He's not just worried about her in a lesbian relationship. He also is concerned about her staying in a dorm with a guy now, so he wants to move her to a single dorm.

As misguided as he is, the dad's actions stem from him caring about Maya. The knee jerk reaction to that is, "Then why is he trying to fuck up her future?" He's not. He's threatening her with dire consequences in the hope she'll do what he knows is best. Will he follow through with those dire consequences? Probably not in the long term.

Sure, it sucks that her dad doesn't accept that she loves Josy, but he may never change, just like Maya may never change.

The best resolution is her dad has an epiphany and realizes he's wrong and stops fucking with Maya's life. That would be a nice direction for the game to go, but sometimes you just have to live your life and accept that not everyone will agree with your decisions, even people that you care about.

There are plenty of people who have distanced themselves from their parents due to serious disagreements. That's life, and we all (hopefully) move forward.

It's sad that her dad doesn't accept her as she is, but if he wasn't fucking with her financial situation, she would still be able to life her life normally, instead, because he's fucking with her finances, she thinks her life is fucked.

So her defining problem is her dad is trying to control her finances. If she can overcome that problem (which is what she's trying to do by joining the HOTs) then she doesn't have that problem anymore, she can be happy with Josy and unless her dad is into honor killing, there's not much he can do about it.

Others might argue that her defining problem is that she's fucking useless. That'd probably be a far call too.

Now that's just a useless comment. We're discussing a game, on a discussion board, why you gotta be a dick about people with a different opinion to your own?




In episode 7, I think it was on the drive back from tennis, Bella openly admits she thinks the fake Tybalt posts are funny. I kinda found that out of character for her, so I don't know if that possibly excludes her from the lists of subjects, or if it makes her the prime suspect, but I thought it was interesting.

you got an heart! finally someone that does not go on the conservative bashing, its becoming rarer and rarer!

this being said i do disagree with him trying to enforce his beliefs on others, but he is allowed to be wrong(in enforcing is beliefs and not those beliefs are wrong... although they are, god told me himself)!

Furthermore theologically speaking he can not save a soul that does not wish to be saved! so him trying to enforce a salvation is against the teachings...

insert some stupid infantile joke about the 3 bronze age religions that will get this post deleted!

Yeah, that made me think that Bella might be behind the troll account that makes fun of what Tybalt posts on Rooster.

i came 1st with the Theory that it was Jade tybalt troller! i might be wrong, but i am probably right!

 

[DavDR]

It's going to take several posts to straighten out the Maya dindu nuthin faction. The MC is thrown out of his dorm room by Troy, slips on a flyer on the floor in the hallway, and is introduced to Maya, who asks him if he needs help. Maya tells the MC about the four fraternities and one sorority on campus and says she is also a freshman but has been to the campus before.

View attachment 1193653

The first thing she tells the MC about the HOT sorority when he asks about it:

View attachment 1193668

The MC's response:

View attachment 1193669

The very next words out of her mouth:

View attachment 1193670

Kind of unofficial means Maya should be asking someone other than Quinn, and what exactly are their criteria?

Then she tells the MC:

View attachment 1193673

Because:

View attachment 1193674

And then she stops explaining. And then she gives the MC this line:

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Then they go their separate ways until class. At class, Maya tells the MC this:

View attachment 1193677

And:

View attachment 1193678

Which means what? Quinn was partially against it?

View attachment 1193681

The MC asks her who Quinn is, to which she responds:

View attachment 1193685

Then she tells the MC she can't spend time with him because:

View attachment 1193687

Then at the next class Maya talks the MC into joining the gender studies class. Then they go to lunch. At lunch Maya gives the MC this line:

View attachment 1193694

The next time we see Maya is when the MC and Derek are sitting on the bench outside. Derek convinces Maya to allow the MC to stay with her for one night. When they get to her room she tells the MC:

View attachment 1193703

So, she asked for complete honesty from the MC but is less than completely honest in return. After a few unimportant interactions she tells the MC this:

View attachment 1193715

The MC asks:

View attachment 1193718

To which she responds:

View attachment 1193724

Late at night the MC is worried that she's not back yet and tries to call her:

View attachment 1193727

Then Maya comes into the room, sees the MC is asleep, and sexually molests him with three HOT members watching because of some promise of free tuition if she meets their criteria.

View attachment 1193731

This all takes place in Episode 1. Now, how do you blame Quinn lying about free tuition for Maya lying to the MC and sexually assaulting him for free tuition, whether or not free tuition actually existed? Who wants to argue that if there had actually been free tuition what Maya did would be acceptable? Does anyone want to argue that if the MC had been the one thinking there was free tuition and had done the same thing to Maya it would be OK?

Maya's sexual orientation, her father being a prick, and Quinn being a manipulator have no bearing on her own personal responsibility for her actions. She's a grown adult who doesn't know how to handle situations like an adult. "Well, I really shouldn't rape this guy but I need the money!"

Please.

Excellent, this is an argument that I've made for month's on this forum, and been vehemently opposed. You've laid it out much better than I ever did.

 

[OnY0ur6ix]

How do I fix the crash that occurs when talking to Josie?

 

[Heycock]

that`s just Quinn humor .. there where 2 other pledges and according to Sarah they went willingly but Q had to spice it up! the MC is lucky she did not use handcuffs and a prostate simulator aka a dildo or a vibrator!

Warscared, oh, so you joke about male rape? That's because you are part of the male rape culture (angry feminist noises).
Jokes aside, there is a simple explanation to the underlying question, how can we justify Maya, the MC, Quinn, the Hots and the DIKS:

 

[DavDR]

We weren't discussing what Maya did in Episode 1 but what Quinn did and those two things have no relation as to whether one is more valid than the other. You are leaving the subject and going to another. What Quinn did it's on her and what Maya did the same.

I blame Quinn for lying in the same way that I blame Maya for sexually assaulting the MC when he was sleeping. What Maya did is not acceptable. Nobody is saying that Maya did nothing wrong, that is a twist of words on your part and more if you take into account that we were discussing a different event with another character and you suddenly changed the focus of the discussion.

Another thing, we already know that Maya was not honest with the MC at first and she admits that at the end of Episode 4 in the library, asking the MC for his forgiveness for not letting him get close to her.
It is obvious that she has trust problems and that is why she asks the MC for honesty and little by little she tries to tell the MC although it takes a long time, until the truth comes out alone. I would say that it was more on DPC to have a dramatic effect.

No, Maya is one of those people who says 'I'm sorry' too easily and too often. There is an implicit promise in asking for someone's forgiveness, that when you are forgiven that you don't just turn around and fuck over the person who has just forgiven you. Maya's apology in episode 4 is bullshit, she still doesn't come clean with the MC, and she's still being dishonest to the HOT's as well.

 

[Heycock]

Now that we add a new item to the Maya haters list of claims, to be a rapist...
Did someone ever complain about the MC being awaken in the same way by Sage?



Are we going to hear anyone crying over this issue? Or is another thing everyone does but only get Maya to be hated?
The main claim against Maya was that she was hipocrite? Wasn't it?

 

[`Ray`]

Time to ask serious questions, who the hell is Tybalt's troll on Rooster? The guy is relentless and it's actually fucking funny lmao
I would say Rusty maybe but idk if he would try to mess with him that hard haha

Dude/ Sis, You really don't know? It's the watermelon king whose children are being tortured by that shitty Tybald everyday!!!

Ok, i am going to break my own rule of not to speak to this guy. You dont feed the troll.
Honestely i am never sure if he is an incredible mysoginist adult, as he claim, or he is a 12 years old boy, wich seems more reasonable belief. Anyway such a proud ignorance over fiction is more than a son of two librarians can stand.

For started we live in a post-Kafka world. An author who made her entire work out of characters who cant overcome even the most easy tasks in the world. We had a story in wich not even the coprotagonist, but rather the protagonist does literally nothing all across the story right until the end when he kill himself couse his family can't even stand him. But even better we had in "The trial" a fiction in wich the protagonist goes from door to door useless, as the burocracy eats him alive with nothing he can do to overcome his doom. Thats when it comes to helpless character.

But you want a damsel in distress?, wich even if is a literary trope you still claim that there is no example to put against Maya. Well, tell me what Helen of Troy does in 10 years of war wich are to blame on her? What Penelope, wife of Odisseus did in 20 years except to sew? And someone remember something that the queen Guinevere, Arthurs wife, did except to cheat on her husband? And what about Isolda, did she do something, except to unkowingly drink a love potion? And Ofelia from Hamlet, what she does except to drawn herself? Cossete from Les Miserables, she did something meanwhile everyone where getting shoot, half of them trying to help her? Did Esmeralda from The Huncheback of notre Damme, does she something besides fucking the only character who dont give a crap out of her, meanwhile the huncheback save her ass again and again? And what about Cunegunda, from Candido, a character who is defined by being slightly less idiot than her husand, but not to much? Or Eugene Grandet from Balzac wich is a sterotype of every naive girl ever alive. What about Madame Bovary, who got herself broke before killed herself couse she wanted to cheat on her decent husband. Or Mathilde from Stendhall, wich does nothing except to get bore. Did the Queen Anne of Austria something in both the three musketeers or the continuation, even if in both books the plot is always to save her ass? Has any female character from Hemingway ever done something besides to serve drinks to the protagonis? Arwen from Tolkien, did she does something except, again, to sew meanwhile the whole world risk their luck in a war? In the One thouthands and one night, a male protagonist watch as his girlfriend kills alone an entire army to protect him meanwhile he does nothing. Hey, did Anna Karenina, Natasha Rostova or Dunia sister of Raskolnikov, did any of them do anything? The first two get in love of the wrong guy, screwing a couple of dudes lifes, the latter one get tricked by an ashole until his brother save her ass.

I got tired, there are hundreds of names on that list. But even with that is useless couse the main point here is in wich moment in life someone can get so fuck up that can advocate to strongly reject to help someone wich is in need with the main reason being: that they are in need. How cannot read this as a guy justifying his own selfishness?
How to talk about literature when the whole narrative process, as any human interaction, demands to feel pitty of thoose who are in need? How you read Oliver Twist, a story about a poor orphan, when you dont give a fuck about others people problems. Even worst you find, to have problems, a descalification by itself. It's not only clear that you didn't read anything except porn games and maybe the Atlas rebelion, but you also couldnt read anything besides that, because you couldnt understand them at an emotional level with that mentality.

Bro/ Sis, You have earned my respect for sure, this damn system isn't allowing me to react on your post but your argument is really perfect and on the next level

Bullshits. How you justify Quinn (and the DIKS) for electrocute the MC and kidnap him? How you justify the MC for breaking in the HOT house and stealing panties from the HOT's, wich is sexually assault. And since you manage a wide definition of rape, what about Quinn forcing Maya to have sex with the MC, while the MC was willing to collaborate.

Oh yes and don't forget about Quinn forcing Mc to have sex with her in Cum Petition, Quinn said this clearly that she wanted to do this with MC, My MC had to eat a fucking condom on my very first save of game. I agree that Quinn is not an antagonist for now, but she isn't a fairy either. Before people start saying that Maya this, Maya that, first remember quinn's action as well.
I will agree to this that almost till ep4 or ep5 Maya acted very immaturely, especially in ep1 but now in the recent ep, she is understanding everything and is getting mature mentally as the time goes by. But if you are on a chick route , Quinn doesn't change at all. She just turns more evil kind as the episodes go by. Though this not the case for dik route.

Now that we add a new item to the Maya haters list of claims, to be a rapist...
Did someone ever complain about the MC being awaken in the same way by Sage?Are we going to hear anyone crying over this issue? Or is another thing everyone does but only get Maya to be hated?
The main claim against Maya was that she was hipocrite? Wasn't it?

Exactly

 

[JaZy2]

Is this a fan art or a scene? I was on jill route, played everything right but didn't get this? If this is a scene , then How do get it?

 

[Deleted member 3691867]

Now that we add a new item to the Maya haters list of claims, to be a rapist...
Did someone ever complain about the MC being awaken in the same way by Sage?
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Are we going to hear anyone crying over this issue? Or is another thing everyone does but only get Maya to be hated?
The main claim against Maya was that she was hipocrite? Wasn't it?

While I believe a lot of things that they say are exaggerated and lack the proper context and they focus too much on EVERYTHING Maya does by taking it in a negative way making the character seem like she only has bad intentions.

Here you are exaggerating, as I remember that scene you can only get it if you are in the Sage fuck buddy path, by that time the MC and Sage already had sexual encounters and are close. So it's not uncommon for her to wake him up like that.

 

[DavDR]

Ok, i am going to break my own rule of not to speak to this guy. You dont feed the troll.
Honestely i am never sure if he is an incredible mysoginist adult, as he claim, or he is a 12 years old boy, wich seems more reasonable belief. Anyway such a proud ignorance over fiction is more than a son of two librarians can stand.

For started we live in a post-Kafka world. An author who made her entire work out of characters who cant overcome even the most easy tasks in the world. We had a story in wich not even the coprotagonist, but rather the protagonist does literally nothing all across the story right until the end when he kill himself couse his family can't even stand him. But even better we had in "The trial" a fiction in wich the protagonist goes from door to door useless, as the burocracy eats him alive with nothing he can do to overcome his doom. Thats when it comes to helpless character.

But you want a damsel in distress?, wich even if is a literary trope you still claim that there is no example to put against Maya. Well, tell me what Helen of Troy does in 10 years of war wich are to blame on her? What Penelope, wife of Odisseus did in 20 years except to sew? And someone remember something that the queen Guinevere, Arthurs wife, did except to cheat on her husband? And what about Isolda, did she do something, except to unkowingly drink a love potion? And Ofelia from Hamlet, what she does except to drawn herself? Cossete from Les Miserables, she did something meanwhile everyone where getting shoot, half of them trying to help her? Did Esmeralda from The Huncheback of notre Damme, does she something besides fucking the only character who dont give a crap out of her, meanwhile the huncheback save her ass again and again? And what about Cunegunda, from Candido, a character who is defined by being slightly less idiot than her husand, but not to much? Or Eugene Grandet from Balzac wich is a sterotype of every naive girl ever alive. What about Madame Bovary, who got herself broke before killed herself couse she wanted to cheat on her decent husband. Or Mathilde from Stendhall, wich does nothing except to get bore. Did the Queen Anne of Austria something in both the three musketeers or the continuation, even if in both books the plot is always to save her ass? Has any female character from Hemingway ever done something besides to serve drinks to the protagonis? Arwen from Tolkien, did she does something except, again, to sew meanwhile the whole world risk their luck in a war? In the One thouthands and one night, a male protagonist watch as his girlfriend kills alone an entire army to protect him meanwhile he does nothing. Hey, did Anna Karenina, Natasha Rostova or Dunia sister of Raskolnikov, did any of them do anything? The first two get in love of the wrong guy, screwing a couple of dudes lifes, the latter one get tricked by an ashole until his brother save her ass.

I got tired, there are hundreds of names on that list. But even with that is useless couse the main point here is in wich moment in life someone can get so fuck up that can advocate to strongly reject to help someone wich is in need with the main reason being: that they are in need. How cannot read this as a guy justifying his own selfishness?
How to talk about literature when the whole narrative process, as any human interaction, demands to feel pitty of thoose who are in need? How you read Oliver Twist, a story about a poor orphan, when you dont give a fuck about others people problems. Even worst you find, to have problems, a descalification by itself. It's not only clear that you didn't read anything except porn games and maybe the Atlas rebelion, but you also couldnt read anything besides that, because you couldnt understand them at an emotional level with that mentality.

Seriously?! Do I even have to bother with this? Helen a damsel? A whore maybe but a Damsel? No one was riding to her rescue, Menelaous and Agamemnon came to Troy for vengeance not rescue. I'd go through the others on your list but they are all equally incoherent.

 

[Walter Victor]

Maya folded easily to the demand that she strip naked and grind her body on a guy that she hadn't even known for a week.

No I think you are missing something. Maya caved, she stripped completely naked in front of a guy she barely knew and ground him to near ejaculation.

I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt and you probably forgot what actually happened, but Maya did NOT "strip completely naked" in that scene. She wore her underwear.

Perhaps a small point, but you seemed to emphasize it in your posts, so it must mean something to you.

 

[bluehound36]

No, Maya is one of those people who says 'I'm sorry' too easily and too often. There is an implicit promise in asking for someone's forgiveness, that when you are forgiven that you don't just turn around and fuck over the person who has just forgiven you. Maya's apology in episode 4 is bullshit, she still doesn't come clean with the MC, and she's still being dishonest to the HOT's as well.

Much like Jack Sparrow, she's dishonest and a dishonest person you can always trust to be dishonest. Honestly. It's the honest ones you want to watch out for, because you can never predict when they're going to do something incredibly stupid.

Now that we add a new item to the Maya haters list of claims, to be a rapist...
Did someone ever complain about the MC being awaken in the same way by Sage?
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Are we going to hear anyone crying over this issue? Or is another thing everyone does but only get Maya to be hated?
The main claim against Maya was that she was hipocrite? Wasn't it?

To be fair, i've been woken up by women exactly like this quite often as i'm certain many men and maybe women here have had happen with people they were dating to whatever extent. It's nowhere close to rape or sexual assault. What Maya did however...yeah, that crosses the line into legal issues, especially with other women present that the MC was unaware of that then proceeded to use a stun gun on him. That isn't just sexual assault, that's also assault & battery, not to mention kidnapping considering they hauled him off to the dik's mansion and tied him to a chair where the lunatic that is quinn, also proceeded to rape him. But yes, this argument was already discussed hundreds if not thousands of pages ago...you're a bit late to the party on that score.

 

[Heycock]

Bro/ Sis, You have earned my respect for sure, this damn system isn't allowing me to react on your post but your argument is really perfect and on the next level

Thnks man, i am another bro sadly.

I will agree to this that almost till ep4 or ep5 Maya acted very immaturely, especially in ep1 but now in the recent ep, she is understanding everything and is getting mature mentally as the time goes by. But if you are on a chick route , Quinn doesn't change at all. She just turns more evil kind as the episodes go by. Though this not the case for dik route.

Well, she is a kid. Not the most clever apple in the street, but kind and sweet, thats why we like her.

While I believe a lot of things that they say are exaggerated and lack the proper context and they focus too much on EVERYTHING Maya does by taking it in a negative way making the character seem like she only has bad intentions.

Here you are exaggerating, as I remember that scene you can only get it if you are in the Sage fuck buddy path, by that time the MC and Sage already had sexual encounters and are close. So it's not uncommon for her to wake him up like that.

Ok, i get lost about the new rape rules. Their where different situations. But the MC at the time already made moves on Maya. He even insinuate her that he was falling in love with Maya. And his first thought was "Is this a dream?" right after starting to touch her butt and pushing her pelvis down to his cock. I will sayd that thats not rape,.

 

[DavDR]

I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt and you probably forgot what actually happened, but Maya did NOT "strip completely naked" in that scene. She wore her underwear.

Perhaps a small point, but you seemed to emphasize it in your posts, so it must mean something to you.

I would categorize that as a quibble

 

[Heycock]

Seriously?! Do I even have to bother with this? Helen a damsel? A whore maybe but a Damsel? No one was riding to her rescue, Menelaous and Agamemnon came to Troy for vengeance not rescue. I'd go through the others on your list but they are all equally incoherent.

A helpless and defenseless "whore" wich couses pain to everyone except herself for her irresponsable actions. But it's not the archetype you are looking for? Ok, you wanted just one, go for Cossette. She is protected her entire life for a random guy who felt guilty for her mother. Right to the point of almost sacrifice himself to bring her a guy she was in love with, a random dude she met on the streets some weaks before, and who was busy with more important issues. Right in the middle of a revolution with everyone getting shoot. And while all of this was happening she was doing... absolutely nothing.

 

[Heycock]

To be fair, i've been woken up by women exactly like this quite often as i'm certain many men and maybe women here have had happen with people they were dating to whatever extent. It's nowhere close to rape or sexual assault. What Maya did however...yeah, that crosses the line into legal issues, especially with other women present that the MC was unaware of that then proceeded to use a stun gun on him. That isn't just sexual assault, that's also assault & battery, not to mention kidnapping considering they hauled him off to the dik's mansion and tied him to a chair where the lunatic that is quinn, also proceeded to rape him. But yes, this argument was already discussed hundreds if not thousands of pages ago...you're a bit late to the party on that score.

Lucky dog.
Once a girl touch my butt without my consent. Correct me if i am wrong, but thats sexual assault. Luckly we ended having sex in her house. Great night.
One of the struggles of feminism was that rape could happen even in marriage. So, if i am going purist i will say that a relation vaguely defined cannot be considered an excuse to rape. If i am going reasonable i will say that the MC was on board with both Sage's and Maya's actions and inmediately aprove and encourage them, so neither of them was rape or sexual assault. Besides at any point the MC had any complain regard both issues.
Also even is Sage doesnt qualify as sexual assault, what about MC breaking into the HOT house to steal panties? Is not that sexual assault? If Sage is innocent, MC is not, and yet noone will complain.