VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[bluehound36]

What do you expect? That a girl with no financial education, no money, and noone older to advise her solve a financial problem at 19 years old?

I had to do that at 18-19 years old with next to no knowledge of how to even balance a checkbook. Sure, my parents are responsible for not teaching me that shit but it was MY personal responsibility to solve at that point just like it's every individual's personal responsibility even if they don't possess the knowledge in that moment. It's why we learn by doing ultimately. Maya is proving that she either can't learn or simply refuses to learn. That's entirely on her character. If DPC means to depict her character as maturing, she obviously needs to start making some better choices and decisions, if only a few to show that her character is growing in a good way.

She didn't knew Quinn was going to electrocute them, that's what she said, and that's what i believe. And yes, i think that kidnaping was the only real bad thing she did. But then again, it was the DIKs who plan it, and we are all cool with that. I don't find that kind of jokes tolerable, but it is a different culture than mine, where thoose kind of stupid and violent jokes are acceptable.

I doubt anyone would find many of the situations in this game as being tolerable in real life. Most of what happens, like what the diks did to get the MC to the mansion would have wound up with me handing several people their own ass in real life as i imagine most others would do the same out of an act of self defense. Again, yet another reason i find the story laughable at the worst. Hilariously absurd at the best. That isn't in any way meant to disparage the game, just that DPC has definitely crossed over into the realm of high comedy at this point.

You are being exagereted. Again could describe well the people you mention, but not Maya.

That was just me poking some humor in regards to her character was all and one part pointing out that art doesn't always imitate reality (life).

She trusted Sage (it seems) when she promised free tuition. But again, without Sage she doesnt have any plan either, so...

Trusting sage would show she actually is learning from her mistakes. She isn't doing that though, at least not yet anyway. What I meant from her mistakes that she repeated was in regards to quinn. The stun gun incident (if she really didn't know it was going to happen), she then goes on to trust quinn about tuition? After using an obvious innuendo about loose hips when she was at the pool in the HOTs dorm, all the scavenger hunt stuff that was on her list compared to the other pledges? I mean, at some point you'd think she would have at least considered the MC's words about not trusting her if she had any common sense at all. Never happened because she's either extremely naive or just plain stupid. I've got a sister that's naive as hell and it's tedious trying to get her to learn from her own mistakes. Sometimes, i honestly think she's stupid but then her intelligence shines through in moments i don't expect in regards to business decisions. It's really easy for people to take advantage of her though which just confuses me to no end. I gave up trying to protect her from herself over a decade ago cause you can only chase off so many jerks before it becomes moot. That's what maya reminds me of the most, either she matures to a point she can take care of herself against others that want to take advantage of her or her character is simply one dimensional and not worth the trouble if it doesn't grow out of that behavior pattern. Makes me think DPC is writing himself into a corner in regards to maya's character. If the only relatively decent end for her ends up being the MC playing white knight for her, that's pretty much an overused trope.

She did not screw up anything. She first, was fucked over by her own Father, something that most kid not expecting from their parent, nor they should . So I can't blame her for this. and then she heard a rumor she was not the only one. It is a very simple fact that , this rumor was spreading like a wild fire, and Quinn had no problem with it as long as its benefited her. so Maya once again taken advantage of by someone, in this case a sociopath.
but you all play the game of Blame the actual victim, and not the perpetrators.

As i've stated above, her character is overly naive, far too trusting of people she shouldn't be, especially when she's warned about them and doesn't seem to learn from that in the slightest. It took a proverbial gut check for her to realize quinn was a liar and took advantage of her being naive. Hopefully that experience for her character wakes her up to reality in the future updates to start taking care of herself without the MC having to constantly play her white knight. Some people like that kind of fantasy though, just isn't my cup of tea however.

 

[Heycock]

Just a couple notes couse i am going to sleep.

I've got a sister that's naive as hell and it's tedious trying to get her to learn from her own mistakes.

My personal bet was either a sister or an ex (I wasnt tbeting over you but over Maya haters).

If the only relatively decent end for her ends up being the MC playing white knight for her, that's pretty much an overused trope.

As my favorite writer sayd (kinda) "When i was young i believe in creating new metaphors. Now i believe in thoose that our mind as internalized". Dont overestimate the power of overused tropes, there are overused couse there is something deep in our mind that makes them work.

 

[bluehound36]

So I'm happy to chalk it up: Her dad has fucked her over and she doesn't know how to solve it without winning the lottery.

She'd just waste that money within a month and be looking for another white knight. I get what you're saying about the loan however cause DPC really did write that bit of the story into a corner without doing any research into it. It's an absurd story though, so minor details like that aren't much of a surprise at this point.

 

[`Ray`]

As i've stated above, her character is overly naive, far too trusting of people she shouldn't be, especially when she's warned about them and doesn't seem to learn from that in the slightest. It took a proverbial gut check for her to realize quinn was a liar and took advantage of her being naive. Hopefully that experience for her character wakes her up to reality in the future updates to start taking care of herself without the MC having to constantly play her white knight. Some people like that kind of fantasy though, just isn't my cup of tea however.

Well who in the world wouldn't trust their own blood parents till the age of 20? She was around 16 or 17 when this shit happened. Let's also not forget about Maya's age though it's not going to make any change but still, one even at that age trust their parents a lot, but children often try to see those things and research them by themselves as well but here Maya ignored to understand all the procedure. Yes, I agree with you ,she is far too trusting of people she shouldn't be but all this fuck up started because of her own blood father. 18 years old is not something that will bring a sudden change to ones mentality, personality and character. They change after experiencing things and learning through mistakes. Maya now could be possibly either 18 or 19 in game since she is in same class as MC who turned 19. Maya made mistakes because it is a new environment, college life is super different from school life. Right now in the game, if we were to estimate, it has been a month or 2, she made those mistakes in this month, her first month in college, do you think she will just learn from them asap? A first year in his/her first month is bound to make mistakes. They can't learn from their mistakes in that short period of time. Half of her 1st month went with her making mistakes, and you expect her to learn in the next 15days?
Even in real life, Everyone makes mistake in their 1st month in college. I myself made hilarious ones . The only thing here everyone should keep in mind before writing about maya is that
-Her age 18 or 19 only, No one gets super understanding or intelligent reaching that age.
-All her mistakes have been made in her first month to college and Maybe, who knows the 1st month is not even over yet in the game.
-No one can correct or learn from their mistakes in just the same 1 month when they did.

My guess is that DPC is trying to show that everyone makes mistake in their very first month in college. Mc fucked teachers, Hell week fuck ups, fighting with others. The main thing we should not forget is that all the game we have played till now, is only a month or 2.

She'd just waste that money within a month and be looking for another white knight. I get what you're saying about the loan however cause DPC really did write that bit of the story into a corner without doing any research into it. It's an absurd story though, so minor details like that aren't much of a surprise at this point.

 

[SpearOfReigns]

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It's time for the first real status update for episode 8, and the development is ongoing.

This week, it's mostly been planning and writing. I've been writing a lot, as I've been in the zone.

I know what I want to fit into this episode, so I'm writing as much of the layout as possible to grasp the workload that lies ahead.

Episode 8 will be the episode that wraps up the second season, so I'm very excited about it and will do my best to do it justice.

Game crashes (v0.7.2)
I've been getting some reports about random "out of memory" crashes that I wanted to address. I hope the following information can help more players solve these issues.

If you're experiencing any "out of memory" crashes after patching the game to the latest version (v0.7.2), I would recommend that you delete the contents of the "game/cache" folder.

There are three ".rpyb" files there that you can safely delete. When you restart the game, the cache will be rebuilt, and this could solve your problem.

In the future, I will supply pre-built cache files with the patches.

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I have planned several fun polls for episode 8, and I have also decided to change how the special render polls are conducted to get more balance in the special render sets.

At the moment, some girls have three render sets, whereas others only have one, and I'd like this to even out for the sake of the game.

I will reveal the details about how the new polls will look like as they are posted.

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I've written the walkthrough, and proofreading is underway. I will release it as soon as possible, at the latest next Friday, but likely earlier.



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[QuietSnake]

Anybody else experiencing a crash in the dialogue with Josy in your room in the DIK Mansion? specifically crashes on the line "So where do I go now?" always crashes for some reason

 

[shazba]

If DPC means to depict her character as maturing, she obviously needs to start making some better choices and decisions, if only a few to show that her character is growing in a good way.

I don't know who started this theme that DPC was showing Maya maturing, it sure wasn't DPC. Someone on this thread created a straw man and now people are kicking the shit out of it.

You want to see what DPC thinks about how Maya is handling shit:

Spoiler: Josy knows that Maya isn't solving shit

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[bluehound36]

Well who in the world wouldn't trust their own blood parents?

Plenty of people out there that don't trust their own parents, I know I sure as shit don't trust either of mine. I know several other people that don't trust theirs. I also know people that do trust their parents. It's a world of almost 8 billion people, you really think there aren't many out there who don't trust their parents? That's naive if you think everyone does.

but all this fuck up started because of her own blood father.

which I've already pointed out.

18 years old is not something that will bring a sudden change to ones mentality, personality and character.

Spend about 12 weeks just in basic military training at that age (plenty of people across the world do). Your mentality, personality and character will change drastically. Spend a few months in college, studying hard or partying hard and your mentality, personality and character will be drastically changed at that age. Those are just two examples, i'm not going to waste my time bringing up more cause frankly, you're still being naive.

They change after experiencing things and learning through mistakes.

That goes for every stage of one's life from youth, teens, 20somethings,middle age and even the old.

Right now in the game, if we were to estimate, it has been a month or 2, she made those mistakes in this month, her first month in college, do you think she will just learn from them asap?

Yep. People really can learn at a fast pace if they're given the proper motivation, possess the necessary common sense and/or intelligence. Typically it's the dumbest of the dumb that fail to learn at a fast pace or the extremely lazy. I won't include the naive however cause they at least have a valid reason for their slower pace of learning. The former, sadly, stupid can't be fixed. The lazy? Well, that's self explanatory.

-Her age 18 or 19 only, No one gets super understanding or intelligent reaching that age.

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My guess is that DPC is trying to show that everyone makes mistake in their very first month in college.

Absurd examples thereof to say the least. It is a porn vn/game though so that's to be expected, at least it's somewhat better written than most others out there. Yes, people make mistakes but they can learn from those mistakes at a relatively quick pace with the proper mindset as i already stated above.

 

[Zirael Q]

We weren't discussing what Maya did in Episode 1 but what Quinn did and those two things have no relation as to whether one is more valid than the other. You are leaving the subject and going to another. What Quinn did it's on her and what Maya did the same.

I blame Quinn for lying in the same way that I blame Maya for sexually assaulting the MC when he was sleeping. What Maya did is not acceptable. Nobody is saying that Maya did nothing wrong, that is a twist of words on your part and more if you take into account that we were discussing a different event with another character and you suddenly changed the focus of the discussion.

Another thing, we already know that Maya was not honest with the MC at first and she admits that at the end of Episode 4 in the library, asking the MC for his forgiveness for not letting him get close to her.
It is obvious that she has trust problems and that is why she asks the MC for honesty and little by little she tries to tell the MC although it takes a long time, until the truth comes out alone. I would say that it was more on DPC to have a dramatic effect.

She has a weird sense of trust, I'll give her that. Has trust issues but trusts the one who messed with her for an entire week to hold on to her "word", trusts her father's word that he'll come after saying it to Derek, who has tricked him into signing a document lets him fuck her life up. Interesting (!) gal she is.

 

[DavDR]

I don't know who started this theme that DPC was showing Maya maturing, it sure wasn't DPC. Someone on this thread created a straw man and now people are kicking the shit out of it.

You want to see what DPC thinks about how Maya is handling shit:

Spoiler: Josy knows that Maya isn't solving shit

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Never saw that dialogue, how did you get there?

 

[shazba]

Never saw that dialogue, how did you get there?

That's if you choose to hang out with Josy rather than Maya or Quinn for the evening. They are chatting in Josy and Heather's room and then it leads to the Josy pool sex scene.

 

[rockreign]

You need to have CHICK affinity for that. No other way to get it

Thanks very much! It's worked.

 

[`Ray`]

Plenty of people out there that don't trust their own parents, I know I sure as shit don't trust either of mine. I know several other people that don't trust theirs. I also know people that do trust their parents. It's a world of almost 8 billion people, you really think there aren't many out there who don't trust their parents? That's naive if you think everyone does.

Okay, I am sorry I forgot that it differs on every region etc and I myself have many friends who don't trust their parents but in my country and many others, children do trust their parents at least till age of 20. Main point here was that till the age of 20 most of the people do trust their parents.

Spend about 12 weeks just in basic military training at that age (plenty of people across the world do). Your mentality, personality and character will change drastically. Spend a few months in college, studying hard or partying hard and your mentality, personality and character will be drastically changed at that age. Those are just two examples, i'm not going to waste my time bringing up more cause frankly, you're still being naive.

My boy you yourself said 12 weeks , I already understand that system , and a few months I understand that as well but In 1 month? NOT AT ALL, In just 1 month or less, no one can change. It takes at least minimum more than a month which u already pointed out. so what's next?

Yep. People really can learn at a fast pace if they're given the proper motivation, possess the necessary common sense and/or intelligence. Typically it's the dumbest of the dumb that fail to learn at a fast pace or the extremely lazy. I won't include the naive however cause they at least have a valid reason for their slower pace of learning. The former, sadly, stupid can't be fixed. The lazy? Well, that's self explanatory.

So was maya given the proper motivation? Again here I will say that not everyone tends to learn that fast. Some people ignore it like Tommy, Dawe etc, or some people do it for eg Mc is trying his best to not fuck up things anymore or some people wait for a miracle to happen for eg maya. By readig this statement, I am sure that your region and mine have different mentality.
Peace out

 

[DavDR]

Just because you reach 18 years old doesn't mean that you are a complete adult with enough knowledge to fend for yourself or live. We don't all grow up in the same way or with the same education, there are many variants at stake and independence can reach in a younger age before even reaching adulthood or it can take longer even after adulthood. It differs according to the person and background.
You're simplifying the situation, nothing is as easy as it seems

If we assume that Maya's father was controlling her all her life to a certain extent, controlling her friendships, her hobbies, her attempts at independence, etc, that leaves a mark on many people and believing that it is as easy as "tell him to fuck off "is very naive, you don't get courage out of nowhere and especially against someone who has had power over you for so long.
Again this is a guess, we need more information on how her childhood was to get something more conclusive.

Nobody has forced the MC to help them or hang out with them and they are not playing with his emotions, adolescents generally don't know what they want or are not very clear about their emotions this is nothing new or strange.
It seems to me like you are asking too much, as if you expect them to be super responsible adults who can easily get around their emotions and know how to solve problems that arise easily.

"Nobody has forced the MC to help them or hang out with them and they are not playing with his emotions . . ."

Seriously? One thing that I've pointed out repeatedly, and no one has ever addressed satisfactorily, goes all the way back to episode 1. Josey and MC go on a date. Josey reveals to the MC that she is with someone else. MC does the right thing and says Farewell. It should have ended right there, but Josey chases after the departing MC, actually physically clings to him and demands that it's NOT over, that it's not Farewell. How is that not playing with his emotions?

Then in ep 5 we get this


In all of the heated forum arguments I've had with the M/J fan's, none have been honest enough to address what is obviously an example of Josey playing on the MC's emotions. There are other examples but why even bother to search them out and post them when I can't even get you guys to admit something so obvious as this.

 

[Hermith]

Okay, I am sorry I forgot that it differs on every region etc and I myself have many friends who don't trust their parents but in my country and many others, children do trust their parents at least till age of 20. Main point here was that till the age of 20 most of the people do trust their parents.

Exactly, trusting your relatives and even more so your siblings and parents is pretty much the default... until they do something to make you lose that faith in them. That's why I never understood people shitting on Maya for both being that hurt by his own father and desperately clinging to the mc, I mean if you play that route the mc is pretty much a shining pillar of hope for her... both metaphorically and literally.

 

[DavDR]

That's if you choose to hang out with Josy rather than Maya or Quinn for the evening. They are chatting in Josy and Heather's room and then it leads to the Josy pool sex scene.

OK so that's only on the M/J relationship path?

 

[shazba]

OK so that's only on the M/J relationship path?

Nope, the first time I saw that scene my was on a Sage path, I just chose Josy to see what would happen (and to see if I could steal her from Maya). It's the same minus the pool sex.

"Nobody has forced the MC to help them or hang out with them and they are not playing with his emotions . . ."

Seriously? One thing that I've pointed out repeatedly, and no one has ever addressed satisfactorily, goes all the way back to episode 1. Josey and MC go on a date. Josey reveals to the MC that she is with someone else. MC does the right thing and says Farewell. It should have ended right there, but Josey chases after the departing MC, actually physically clings to him and demands that it's NOT over, that it's not Farewell. How is that not playing with his emotions?

Then in ep 5 we get this
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In all of the heated forum arguments I've had with the M/J fan's, none have been honest enough to address what is obviously an example of Josey playing on the MC's emotions. There are other examples but why even bother to search them out and post them when I can't even get you guys to admit something so obvious as this.

You say it like she's some evil bitch toying with him. She's just a young girl who's struggling with her own emotions and making mistakes. They are all mostly young people who are trying to work their way through relationships. It's a good time to learn. There are only a few in the mix who are actively trying to bring misery on others.

 

[Irgendwie Irgendwo]

Is there a Dik Mansion renovation guide? I have a guide that only do the first one but is there any more after 1st one? Thanks.

Did you download the Excel guide? If so it is completed in seven turns, and each turn has a tab on the bottom. Click the tabs to change tables and follow the instructions.

 

[DavDR]

Nope, the first time I saw that scene my was on a Sage path, I just chose Josy to see what would happen (and to see if I could steal her from Maya). It's the same minus the pool sex.

Thanks, I must have missed that one. I'm still skeptical about the possibility of a Josey solo route though. It would be a wildly mercurial leap if she suddenly went solo after being so dammed passive at the beginning of ep 7.

 

[shazba]

Thanks, I must have missed that one. I'm still skeptical about the possibility of a Josey solo route though. It would be a wildly mercurial leap if she suddenly went solo after being so dammed passive at the beginning of ep 7.

I played my DIK route with the attempt to steal Josy away. It looked close a few times, but nothing came of it. Even if the mc kisses Josy at the HOTs party, and she was like, "Why did you do that!? Let's just forget it happened", in the logic, there's no record that it even happened (as in no flags are set for later use). Kinda disappointing.