VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[felicemastronzo]

It's not either or, it's both and.

Bella is trying to rationalize a way to pursue the MC. Pursuing him at the same time as Jill is already stretching Bella's rationalization to its limit. No surprise that adding yet another factor that would need to be rationalized (like Cathy) is enough to bring the whole thing crashing down. Once her rationalization is broken, Bella is able to definitively call things off with the MC.

Absent Cathy, Bella is finally willing to commit to pursuing the MC (as shown by her removing her ring at the end of the episode). She's still not able to come clean to Jill, though, because that has a host of other problems attached to it (the big ones are admitting to seeing the MC behind Jill's back and having to deal with the forbidden nature of their relationship). But the matter is obviously not resolved, and further complications might force Bella to take action again.

As for Cathy being unmarried, that's not really relevant: Cathy can't have a relationship with a student whether she's single or not.

Bella's own marriage only matters because of her personal hang-ups. If Bella really is willing to enter into a relationship with the MC, there's plenty of time between now and when the MC graduates (or Bella transfers) to end what's left of her marriage. (Given what we've seen, she could almost certainly have already divorced James if she had been so inclined).

In theory, the same could be true with Cathy, it's just that it's a ludicrously implausible path to attempt. Bella can recognize how implausible it is when she sees it objectively with Cathy in a way that she couldn't see when looking at it from her own point of view.

That's how I see it, at any rate.

there is no prohibition of relationship between student and teacher if they are of age, at most it is inconvenient for the school (but since Cathe is transferring there is not even this problem anymore) , but also Bella is a teacher and will be a teacher of Mc next semester.

How is the fact that Bella is married insignificant?
of course she can get divorced but that doesn't take away from the fact that for a married woman to have an extramarital affair is much more complicated than for a woman to have an affair with a "only" much younger guy.

It seems to me that Bella continues to follow her emotions, and that she doesn't rationalize much. Staying over at the DIKs is the least rational thing a teacher should do, competing with her best friend for a boyfriend is rational?

the emotions got Bella into a complicated situation, from my point of view almost with no way out, and Cathe gave her the chance to get out of it. Without Cathe, in fact, she sinks even further into this double relationship (possibly, not obligatory) from which all three will come out very badly.

 

[Xaos]

However, I do think that there's a chance the Bella route would never actually happen, or would result in a bad ending. The reason is because back when MC first makes out with Bella, and she cries over it because she felt that it was wrong, there was a quick monologue where the MC just thinks something along the lines of "At the time, I couldn't understand why Bella was crying. Had I known what was going on in her mind, I wouldn't have done it." So this feels like some sort of a red flag.

I wouldn't say that man. Bella is Main LI like the other 4 girls. If there wouldn't be good ending with her, then why would DPC make her as a LI?

"At the time, I couldn't understand why Bella was crying. Had I known what was going on in her mind, I wouldn't have done it."

This thing still worries me, not gonna lie. But that could be anything tbh. (If u ask me this will be about her husband) I'm sure there will be happy ending with each main LI. Can you imagine where 4 Main LI gets happy ending aside from Bella? That would be some kind of milking. If you making a Main LI you need to make good ending with her or 'natural-bad' endings. She's not some kind of Side character. So I don't bet on that.

I can already imagine the betrayal in Jill's eyes when she finds out her crush likes her best friend. Like, dude, god damn. That shit'll probably hurt like hell.

That's why I'm saying we need to tell her 'I'm not interested in you' before to late.

 

[ename144]

I haven't seen this scene since I'm not doing a Bella playthru. Just one question though, how does Bella know that these are Cathy's panties?

Here's the sequence:

The implication seems to be that Bella knows they aren't hers and can't think of anyone else's they could be. So if the MC insists on continuing their relationship she confronts him with the panties and her suspicions. She takes his pause and lame excuse making as confirmation.

I find it fairly plausible, IF we assume she didn't find the panties until after she helped the MC clean his room. Since the panties were presumably not in plain sight (otherwise Cathy or the MC would have noticed them) and since Bella doesn't drive people around very often, I can believe it might take her a few days to find them and figure out where they came from.

there is no prohibition of relationship between student and teacher if they are of age, at most it is inconvenient for the school (but since Cathe is transferring there is not even this problem anymore) , but also Bella is a teacher and will be a teacher of Mc next semester.

There is absolutely a most definite prohibition on relationships between teachers and students. Both the game and real life make that exceedingly clear.

It's true that Cathy transferring would solve that problem, but Cathy's resignation hadn't been announced yet.

It seems to me that Bella continues to follow her emotions, and that she doesn't rationalize much. Staying over at the DIKs is the least rational thing a teacher should do, competing with her best friend for a boyfriend is rational?

Perhaps this is a language barrier issue, but rationalization in this context is the process by which someone constructs a chain of reasoning to justify taking an action they want to take despite logic dictating against that action. It's effectively creating an excuse to do something you "know" you shouldn't. Normally emotions are the big reason you want to do so.

 

[Niu6609]

I wouldn't say that man. Bella is Main LI like the other 4 girls. If there wouldn't be good ending with her, then why would DPC make her as a LI?

"At the time, I couldn't understand why Bella was crying. Had I known what was going on in her mind, I wouldn't have done it."

This thing still worries me, not gonna lie. But that could be anything tbh. (If u ask me this will be about her husband) I'm sure there will be happy ending with each main LI. Can you imagine where 4 Main LI gets happy ending aside from Bella? That would be some kind of milking. If you making a Main LI you need to make good ending with her or 'natural-bad' endings. She's not some kind of Side character. So I don't bet on that.

I hope so too. After all, all this is just purely my speculation, and most of time speculations are just that - speculations. We can theorize anything and everything, yet the final product is not in our control. All we can do is hope for a good ending with each of the LIs, and that it won't somehow end up like AL, which was, quite frankly, traumatizing.

 

[felicemastronzo]

There is absolutely a most definite prohibition on relationships between teachers and students. Both the game and real life make that exceedingly clear.

It's true that Cathy transferring would solve that problem, but Cathy's resignation hadn't been announced yet.

really? in the story? i don't remember it at all

however this ban would also apply to Bella, who therefore has the same obstacles as Cathe besides marriage

the relationship with Cathe is doomed only because she is not an LI, we know it but Bella cannot know it...

 

[DavDR]

Here's the sequence:
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The implication seems to be that Bella knows they aren't hers and can't think of anyone else's they could be. So if the MC insists on continuing their relationship she confronts him with the panties and her suspicions. She takes his pause and lame excuse making as confirmation.

I find it fairly plausible, IF we assume she didn't find the panties until after she helped the MC clean his room. Since the panties were presumably not in plain sight (otherwise Cathy or the MC would have noticed them) and since Bella doesn't drive people around very often, I can believe it might take her a few days to find them and figure out where they came from.



There is absolutely a most definite prohibition on relationships between teachers and students. Both the game and real life make that exceedingly clear.

It's true that Cathy transferring would solve that problem, but Cathy's resignation hadn't been announced yet.


Perhaps this is a language barrier issue, but rationalization in this context is the process by which someone constructs a chain of reasoning to justify taking an action they want to take despite logic dictating against that action. It's effectively creating an excuse to do something you "know" you shouldn't. Normally emotions are the big reason you want to do so.

So Bella's a hypocrite then?

 

[DavDR]

Here's the sequence:
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The implication seems to be that Bella knows they aren't hers and can't think of anyone else's they could be. So if the MC insists on continuing their relationship she confronts him with the panties and her suspicions. She takes his pause and lame excuse making as confirmation.

I find it fairly plausible, IF we assume she didn't find the panties until after she helped the MC clean his room. Since the panties were presumably not in plain sight (otherwise Cathy or the MC would have noticed them) and since Bella doesn't drive people around very often, I can believe it might take her a few days to find them and figure out where they came from.



There is absolutely a most definite prohibition on relationships between teachers and students. Both the game and real life make that exceedingly clear.

It's true that Cathy transferring would solve that problem, but Cathy's resignation hadn't been announced yet.


Perhaps this is a language barrier issue, but rationalization in this context is the process by which someone constructs a chain of reasoning to justify taking an action they want to take despite logic dictating against that action. It's effectively creating an excuse to do something you "know" you shouldn't. Normally emotions are the big reason you want to do so.

There may be a prohibition in Duckburg, but there certainly isn't in the United States at the college level. I know someone who married her college Prof. (it didn't work out).

 

[Marley300]

Here's the sequence:
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The implication seems to be that Bella knows they aren't hers and can't think of anyone else's they could be. So if the MC insists on continuing their relationship she confronts him with the panties and her suspicions. She takes his pause and lame excuse making as confirmation.

I find it fairly plausible, IF we assume she didn't find the panties until after she helped the MC clean his room. Since the panties were presumably not in plain sight (otherwise Cathy or the MC would have noticed them) and since Bella doesn't drive people around very often, I can believe it might take her a few days to find them and figure out where they came from.

She must have found the panties in her car Sunday or Monday morning. Because if you did Cathy Lewd scene, Bella doesn’t give you that little smile in the library and she doesn't talk to you after the "LiBrian" scene.

Also goddammit Cathy Why did you take off your panties for a blowjob!?!

I mean I know that she’s sexually frustrated but its basic manners not to leave your underwear in someone else car! She could also have called Bella and tell her that she forgot something in her car and picked it up discreetly. But that's the game I guess

 

[asgardtipar2]

Yeah, that sounds real plausible.

It is. It seems you don't have a lot of experience meeting girls in real life.

 

[ename144]

really? in the story? i don't remember it at all

Well, here's some snippets from Cathy's tryst:

There's also the fact that fucking a teacher was considered "impossible" by the DIKs.

however this ban would also apply to Bella, who therefore has the same obstacles as Cathe besides marriage

the relationship with Cathe is doomed only because she is not an LI, we know it but Bella cannot know it...

Yes, as I said Cathy is just as impossible a romance as Bella. But Bella can recognize that impossibility a lot more easily with Cathy than she can with herself. The thought of fooling around with the MC herself is alluring; the thought of the MC fooling around with Cathy is chilling/infuriating. Which is more likely to call to mind reasons not to fool around with the MC?

So Bella's a hypocrite then?

... Yes?

She's human too, in case you hadn't noticed that, either.

 

[asgardtipar2]

Do you really think there was anything to talk about and to work through? Her discussion with the mc was just that. They talked about it, she told him she wanted to end it. That's how shit goes down when you fuck around outside a relationship, except there's usually a lot more screaming and crying and throwing things (just check that Jade/Stephen scene for reference)..

Bella took her time, she thought about it for a bit. Chances are her immediate reaction was, "What the fuck, here I was thinking Fuckface was doing a good deed driving Cathy home, and he ends up banging her brains out!?" But instead of going ape shit and killing the mc (I guess she learnt her lesson with James), she took some time to think about what she wanted, and realized she wasn't just looking for a fuck buddy, and then she confronted the mc. Very mature of her.

Oh piss off with the Bella killing James ffs hahahaha

 

[citizenofncc]

Btw guys I don't know if this was discussed in the past, but is anybody else who find resembles between this girl & Sage... possible relation mother/older sister?

 

[DavDR]

It is. It seems you don't have a lot of experience meeting girls in real life.

Can you argue any point without resorting to personal insult?

 

[asgardtipar2]

The whole problem with that scene it's not the facts that you did something with Cathy, it's the fact that Bella doesn't react to this and let you go on with her for a long time then decide one day that it's over because of those panties and not because of the fact that you and Jill are in an affair in front of her since a lont^g time too.
That makes no sense.
If she had told you that she has decided to stop any relation with you because she thinks that she can't do this to Jill, it would have been fine.

Or maybe she first wanted your help in dealing with Thyballs...

 

[DeePink25]

My game keeps crashing at this point:

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After some resetting, this error came up. I reset it again and the error is gone but the crash is still here. Please help
I downloaded a new game but old save.

I'm sorry, but an uncaught exception occurred.

While running game code:
File "renpy/common/00action_file.rpy", line 452, in __call__
renpy.load(fn)
Exception: Couldn't find a place to stop rolling back. Perhaps the script changed in an incompatible way?

-- Full Traceback ------------------------------------------------------------

Full traceback:
File "renpy/common/_layout/screen_main_menu.rpym", line 28, in script
python hide:
File "E:\BeingADIK-0.7.2-pc-Compressed\BeingADIK-0.7.2-pc\renpy\ast.py", line 912, in execute
renpy.python.py_exec_bytecode(self.code.bytecode, self.hide, store=self.store)
File "E:\BeingADIK-0.7.2-pc-Compressed\BeingADIK-0.7.2-pc\renpy\python.py", line 2004, in py_exec_bytecode
exec bytecode in globals, locals
File "renpy/common/_layout/screen_main_menu.rpym", line 28, in <module>
python hide:
File "renpy/common/_layout/screen_main_menu.rpym", line 35, in _execute_python_hide
ui.interact()
File "E:\BeingADIK-0.7.2-pc-Compressed\BeingADIK-0.7.2-pc\renpy\ui.py", line 295, in interact
rv = renpy.game.interface.interact(roll_forward=roll_forward, **kwargs)
File "E:\BeingADIK-0.7.2-pc-Compressed\BeingADIK-0.7.2-pc\renpy\display\core.py", line 2699, in interact
repeat, rv = self.interact_core(preloads=preloads, trans_pause=trans_pause, **kwargs)
File "E:\BeingADIK-0.7.2-pc-Compressed\BeingADIK-0.7.2-pc\renpy\display\core.py", line 3510, in interact_core
rv = root_widget.event(ev, x, y, 0)
File "E:\BeingADIK-0.7.2-pc-Compressed\BeingADIK-0.7.2-pc\renpy\display\layout.py", line 998, in event
rv = i.event(ev, x - xo, y - yo, cst)
File "E:\BeingADIK-0.7.2-pc-Compressed\BeingADIK-0.7.2-pc\renpy\display\transition.py", line 47, in event
return self.new_widget.event(ev, x, y, st) # E1101
File "E:\BeingADIK-0.7.2-pc-Compressed\BeingADIK-0.7.2-pc\renpy\display\layout.py", line 998, in event
rv = i.event(ev, x - xo, y - yo, cst)
File "E:\BeingADIK-0.7.2-pc-Compressed\BeingADIK-0.7.2-pc\renpy\display\layout.py", line 998, in event
rv = i.event(ev, x - xo, y - yo, cst)
File "E:\BeingADIK-0.7.2-pc-Compressed\BeingADIK-0.7.2-pc\renpy\display\screen.py", line 707, in event
rv = self.child.event(ev, x, y, st)
File "E:\BeingADIK-0.7.2-pc-Compressed\BeingADIK-0.7.2-pc\renpy\display\layout.py", line 998, in event
rv = i.event(ev, x - xo, y - yo, cst)
File "E:\BeingADIK-0.7.2-pc-Compressed\BeingADIK-0.7.2-pc\renpy\display\layout.py", line 244, in event
rv = d.event(ev, x - xo, y - yo, st)
File "E:\BeingADIK-0.7.2-pc-Compressed\BeingADIK-0.7.2-pc\renpy\display\layout.py", line 998, in event
rv = i.event(ev, x - xo, y - yo, cst)
File "E:\BeingADIK-0.7.2-pc-Compressed\BeingADIK-0.7.2-pc\renpy\display\layout.py", line 244, in event
rv = d.event(ev, x - xo, y - yo, st)
File "E:\BeingADIK-0.7.2-pc-Compressed\BeingADIK-0.7.2-pc\renpy\display\layout.py", line 998, in event
rv = i.event(ev, x - xo, y - yo, cst)
File "E:\BeingADIK-0.7.2-pc-Compressed\BeingADIK-0.7.2-pc\renpy\display\layout.py", line 244, in event
rv = d.event(ev, x - xo, y - yo, st)
File "E:\BeingADIK-0.7.2-pc-Compressed\BeingADIK-0.7.2-pc\renpy\display\behavior.py", line 946, in event
return handle_click(self.clicked)
File "E:\BeingADIK-0.7.2-pc-Compressed\BeingADIK-0.7.2-pc\renpy\display\behavior.py", line 881, in handle_click
rv = run(action)
File "E:\BeingADIK-0.7.2-pc-Compressed\BeingADIK-0.7.2-pc\renpy\display\behavior.py", line 320, in run
return action(*args, **kwargs)
File "renpy/common/00action_file.rpy", line 452, in __call__
renpy.load(fn)
File "E:\BeingADIK-0.7.2-pc-Compressed\BeingADIK-0.7.2-pc\renpy\loadsave.py", line 761, in load
log.unfreeze(roots, label="_after_load")
File "E:\BeingADIK-0.7.2-pc-Compressed\BeingADIK-0.7.2-pc\renpy\python.py", line 1959, in unfreeze
self.rollback(0, force=True, label=label, greedy=greedy, on_load=True)
File "E:\BeingADIK-0.7.2-pc-Compressed\BeingADIK-0.7.2-pc\renpy\python.py", line 1791, in rollback
self.load_failed()
File "E:\BeingADIK-0.7.2-pc-Compressed\BeingADIK-0.7.2-pc\renpy\python.py", line 1709, in load_failed
raise Exception("Couldn't find a place to stop rolling back. Perhaps the script changed in an incompatible way?")
Exception: Couldn't find a place to stop rolling back. Perhaps the script changed in an incompatible way?

Windows-8-6.2.9200
Ren'Py 7.3.2.320
Being a DIK 0.7.2
Mon May 24 00:30:35 2021

 

[DavDR]

Well, here's some snippets from Cathy's tryst:
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There's also the fact that fucking a teacher was considered "impossible" by the DIKs.


Yes, as I said Cathy is just as impossible a romance as Bella. But Bella can recognize that impossibility a lot more easily with Cathy than she can with herself. The thought of fooling around with the MC herself is alluring; the thought of the MC fooling around with Cathy is chilling/infuriating. Which is more likely to call to mind reasons not to fool around with the MC?



... Yes?

She's human too, in case you hadn't noticed that, either.

By trouble I think she's referring to scandal. In the United States the Bill of Rights guarantee's the right to Freedom of Association under the First Amendment. Yet another thing DPC seem's to have missed.

 

[DavDR]

Well, here's some snippets from Cathy's tryst:
View attachment 1208940 View attachment 1208941 View attachment 1208942 View attachment 1208943
There's also the fact that fucking a teacher was considered "impossible" by the DIKs.


Yes, as I said Cathy is just as impossible a romance as Bella. But Bella can recognize that impossibility a lot more easily with Cathy than she can with herself. The thought of fooling around with the MC herself is alluring; the thought of the MC fooling around with Cathy is chilling/infuriating. Which is more likely to call to mind reasons not to fool around with the MC?



... Yes?

She's human too, in case you hadn't noticed that, either.

As to Bella being human it's kinda hard to tell.

 

[felicemastronzo]

Well, here's some snippets from Cathy's tryst:
View attachment 1208940 View attachment 1208941 View attachment 1208942 View attachment 1208943
There's also the fact that fucking a teacher was considered "impossible" by the DIKs.

I didn't think they were so definitive words, surely it is a news that creates a sensation, but talking about taboo, trouble and scandal makes me think more about a matter of public opinion than a legal matter

 

[ename144]

By trouble I think she's referring to scandal. In the United States the Bill of Rights guarantee's the right to Freedom of Association under the First Amendment. Yet another thing DPC seem's to have missed.

She's referring to being fired. Most schools these days generally forbid relationships between a professor and any student they oversee; it's much simpler to adopt a broad policy than it is to deal with the particulars of a given case. The exact punishment is up to the school, but the impression I get is that B&R could potentially terminate the teacher.

The Bill of Rights only restricts government action. As a private school, it has no bearing on B&R's actions.

 

[vogelbeest]

Btw guys I don't know if this was discussed in the past, but is anybody else who find resembles between this girl & Sage... possible relation mother/older sister?

Too young to be Sage's mother.... could be her sister if just for the looks...
Then again, i've seen alot speculation of who all is family and why.... so it just aswell could be just a random girl that looks similar... Atleast until we go to that family dinner to meet Sage's parents and she's introduced as her sister there...