VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.11.1] [DrPinkCake]

[AchedCroissant]

Hey, if it's a fan-art, they fooled, me I read it on an another site.
some guy said it, russian site, google translate

It is not a fan-art

Well, not everyone is as generous as some people.

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There are plenty of mean person out there, who want to take advantage of my faint heart

OMG, you know, don't keep these things to yourself, I'm not with "the rest"

 

[ename144]

You have some very strange ideas about Laws and how they work in the court's. For one thing firing an adult teacher for dating an adult student is a violation of the teachers (because they are the employee) right to free association. As an employer the University is on shaky ground telling their employees who they can associate with. Notice I said shaky ground, because the law is interpreted through the courts, and the particulars of the case, the bias of the court, and case law will have bearing on how the colleges attorneys advise them regarding this policy.

As to protected classes, yes they were created by statute. The Constitutionality of the Statues is based on the Bill of Rights. Freedom of Association interpreted as a negative, an entities right to avoid association, has rarely survived litigation.

Finally, I'm not going to argue with you about this. I know a lot about the law but I am not an expert, I'm not a lawyer. But I do understand enough to know that you have a lot of misconceptions about law, how it is applied, and how it is litigated. If you want to use it in your arguments then you should educate yourself about it. It's way too complicated a subject to gain meaningful insights by looking things up on the internet.

DavDR, trust me when I say you apparently understand less about the law than you think you do.

The reason the particulars of the case matter is that students aren't a protected class in and of themselves. So schools can and do have the exact sort of of codes you claim are on shaky ground. If you were willing to spend a minute searching you could find court cases upholding or rejecting discipline from those rules based on the particulars of the case, which should tell you all you need to know about this.

 

[ChipLecsap]

It is not a fan-art


OMG, you know, don't keep these things to yourself, I'm not with "the rest"

. Yeah I'm selfish

 

[shazba]

So Bella's a hypocrite then?

Most definitely, a horny hypocrite.

Btw guys I don't know if this was discussed in the past, but is anybody else who find resembles between this girl & Sage... possible relation mother/older sister? View attachment 1208951 View attachment 1208952

She was so blatant in that scene. I've always thought she was a re-stylized Leah. Whoever she is, I hope we see her again...

My game keeps crashing at this point:

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After some resetting, this error came up. I reset it again and the error is gone but the crash is still here. Please help
I downloaded a new game but old save.

You've got an old walkthrough installed or something like that. You need a clean install (so download the entire game again if you just did an update). Sad but true.

Copied from YALE University Policy :

Policy on Teacher-Student Consensual Relations
The integrity of the teacher-student relationship is the foundation of the University’s educational mission. This relationship vests considerable trust in the teacher, who, in turn, bears authority and accountability as a mentor, educator, and evaluator. The unequal institutional power inherent in this relationship heightens the vulnerability of the student and the potential for coercion. The pedagogical relationship between teacher and student must be protected from influences or activities that can interfere with learning and personal development.

Whenever a teacher is or in the future might reasonably become responsible for teaching, advising, or directly supervising a student, a sexual relationship between them is inappropriate and must be avoided. In addition to creating the potential for coercion, any such relationship jeopardizes the integrity of the educational process by creating a conflict of interest and may impair the learning environment for other students. Finally, such situations may expose the University and the teacher to liability for violation of laws against sexual harassment and sex discrimination.

Bruv you are arguing with DavDR, might as well try to convince a door.

Show me something that look's vaguely like an argument. The point was is it against the law in the US, well the answer to that is no.

Okay, I will tango, let's see if you can be genuine...

Are students and teachers (professors) equal? or is there a power dynamic between them?

You have some very strange ideas about Laws and how they work in the court's. For one thing firing an adult teacher for dating an adult student is a violation of the teachers (because they are the employee) right to free association. As an employer the University is on shaky ground telling their employees who they can associate with. Notice I said shaky ground, because the law is interpreted through the courts, and the particulars of the case, the bias of the court, and case law will have bearing on how the colleges attorneys advise them regarding this policy.

As to protected classes, yes they were created by statute. The Constitutionality of the Statues is based on the Bill of Rights. Freedom of Association interpreted as a negative, an entities right to avoid association, has rarely survived litigation.

Finally, I'm not going to argue with you about this. I know a lot about the law but I am not an expert, I'm not a lawyer. But I do understand enough to know that you have a lot of misconceptions about law, how it is applied, and how it is litigated. If you want to use it in your arguments then you should educate yourself about it. It's way too complicated a subject to gain meaningful insights by looking things up on the internet.

DavDR, trust me when I say you apparently understand less about the law than you think you do.

The reason the particulars of the case matter is that students aren't a protected class in and of themselves. So schools can and do have the exact sort of of codes you claim are on shaky ground. If you were willing to spend a minute searching you could find court cases upholding or rejecting discipline from those rules based on the particulars of the case, which should tell you all you need to know about this.

Here are some lawyers discussing the question (teachers having affairs with legal aged students). The opening question is talking about a 17 year old (legal age being 16), so it sounds like high school, but the answers delve deeper than that:

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EDIT: The more I read about it, the more vague it becomes.

I believe the link above is still really just about high schools.

It seems the only grounds where it could become criminal is when it's considered sexual harassment, which isn't the case between the mc and Bella nor the mc and Cathy.

That doesn't mean the college doesn't have their own policies (and probably would terminate the teachers as Cathy indicates), but there would be no criminal charges.

apparently this is a missing scene, some error or something. This would happen if we have Chick Status, but our status only reset in the first free roaming event.if I understand it right. so it's never happens
Wow Surprises everywhere

I can't tell if you're being facetious or not.

Hey, if it's a fan-art, they fooled, me I read it on an another site.
some guy said it, russian site, google translate

If it's just a fan-art, I apologize, it's fooled me, shame on me

It's definitely not fan art.

It's when the mc tells Josy he's leaving (the day of their first "date"). She kisses the mc if your "dtype" is less than zero.

This variable is only updated when the "updateDikScore()" function is called. It's first called in the free roam at home when the mc is getting ready for his "date" with Josy. That's after the scene at the store, so yeah, your "dtype" will be zero in that store scene no matter what.

Basically it's a bug.

 

[DavDR]

DavDR, trust me when I say you apparently understand less about the law than you think you do.

The reason the particulars of the case matter is that students aren't a protected class in and of themselves. So schools can and do have the exact sort of of codes you claim are on shaky ground. If you were willing to spend a minute searching you could find court cases upholding or rejecting discipline from those rules based on the particulars of the case, which should tell you all you need to know about this.

I specifically pointed out to you in my reply, which you apparently failed to comprehend, that the crux of the case is between the teacher and their employer. I never once mentioned students as a protected class.

 

[DavDR]

Here are some lawyers discussing the question (teachers having affairs with legal aged students). The opening question is talking about a 17 year old (legal age being 16), so it sounds like high school, but the answers delve deeper than that:

You must be registered to see the links

EDIT: The more I read about it, the more vague it becomes.

I believe the link above is still really just about high schools.

It seems the only grounds where it could become criminal is when it's considered sexual harassment, which isn't the case between the mc and Bella nor the mc and Cathy.

That doesn't mean the college doesn't have their own policies (and probably would terminate the teachers as Cathy indicates), but there would be no criminal charges.

Yes, I already pointed that out. Several times.

 

[eagle91160]

Error :

```
I'm sorry, but an uncaught exception occurred.

While running game code:
File "game/season2/scripts/freeroam/episode7/events/ep7_freeroam_hots_events.rpy", line 98, in script
menu:
File "game/header.rpy", line 270, in menu_override
for label, condition, value in items ]
KeyError: u'ep7_bar_menu '

-- Full Traceback ------------------------------------------------------------

Full traceback:
File "game/season2/scripts/freeroam/episode7/events/ep7_freeroam_hots_events.rpy", line 98, in script
menu:
File "M:\Games\Traduction jeux\BeingADIK-0.7.2-pc_lunch\renpy\ast.py", line 1626, in execute
choice = renpy.exports.menu(choices, self.set, args, kwargs, item_arguments)
File "game/header.rpy", line 270, in menu_override
for label, condition, value in items ]
File "M:\Games\Traduction jeux\BeingADIK-0.7.2-pc_lunch\renpy\exports.py", line 3387, in substitute
return renpy.substitutions.substitute(s, scope=scope, translate=translate)[0]
File "M:\Games\Traduction jeux\BeingADIK-0.7.2-pc_lunch\renpy\substitutions.py", line 253, in substitute
s = formatter.vformat(s, (), kwargs)
File "/home/tom/ab/x64lucid-deps/install/lib/python2.7/string.py", line 563, in vformat
File "/home/tom/ab/x64lucid-deps/install/lib/python2.7/string.py", line 585, in _vformat
File "/home/tom/ab/x64lucid-deps/install/lib/python2.7/string.py", line 646, in get_field
File "/home/tom/ab/x64lucid-deps/install/lib/python2.7/string.py", line 605, in get_value
KeyError: u'ep7_bar_menu '

Windows-8-6.2.9200
Ren'Py 7.3.2.320
Being a DIK 0.7.2
Mon May 24 04:14:58 2021
```

 

[ename144]

I specifically pointed out to you in my reply, which you apparently failed to comprehend, that the crux of the case is between the teacher and their employer. I never once mentioned students as a protected class.

Fine, I'll spell it out for you.

The case between the teacher and the school is governed by contract law. Whatever the teacher agreed to in the employment contract is fully enforceable on them unless it violates the law. Illegal contracts (or clauses if the rest of the contract can stand) are unenforceable. Legal contracts are all too enforceable.

So if B&R's contract specifies that teachers will obey school rules, and the school has a rule against fraternizing with students, the school can discipline a teacher who fraternizes with students. The exception would be if a rule against fraternizing with students was itself illegal. That's where protected classes could matter. But as I said, students aren't a protected class, so the rule is legal and thus enforceable. I only brought it up because you mentioned protected classes earlier and I wanted to make it clear they wouldn't apply here.

Does that make more sense?

 

[DavDR]

"firing an adult teacher for dating an adult student is a violation of the teachers (because they are the employee) right to free association."

This is the part that Ename missed on his first reading, let's parse it.

Firing an adult teacher - Being fired from their job penalizes the teacher.

Right to Free Association - The right to associate with whomever you choose is an enumerated right under the 1st Amendment of the Constitution. The Civil Rights act is a piece of legislation designed to penalize those who attempt to deny people their enumerated rights.

What this means is that Cathy has a right to date the MC if she chooses. Is it that simple, no it's not.

As an employer the University is on shaky ground telling their employees who they can associate with. Notice I said shaky ground, because the law is interpreted through the courts, and the particulars of the case, the bias of the court, and case law will have bearing on how the colleges attorneys advise them regarding this policy.

Although Cathy's right is clear their are other factors and circumstances where Cathy's rights conflict with the rights of others.

The video that Shazba posted, and described "The more I read about it, the more vague it becomes." reflects the shaky ground that I referred to. What this means is that B&R would not have a solid defense if they fired Cathy and she turned around and sued them for penalized her for exercising her Constitutional right to associate.

As any Lawyer will tell you litigation is perilous. Once an issue is brought before the Courts, unless you have a solid case based on settled law, almost anything can happen. And loosing such a case can be very damaging, financially and in terms of public reputation. Lawyers know this and will strongly advise against risking a court action without a solid defense.

So would B&R risk firing Cathy for dating the MC? Who knows. What I know for certain is that B&R's lawyers will be advising very strongly against it. That B&R will consider very carefully before taking such a perilous step. And that all of the absolute statements made by various posters on this issue are dead wrong.

Case Closed

 

[DavDR]

Fine, I'll spell it out for you.

The case between the teacher and the school is governed by contract law. Whatever the teacher agreed to in the employment contract is fully enforceable on them unless it violates the law. Illegal contracts (or clauses if the rest of the contract can stand) are unenforceable. Legal contracts are all too enforceable.

So if B&R's contract specifies that teachers will obey school rules, and the school has a rule against fraternizing with students, the school can discipline a teacher who fraternizes with students. The exception would be if a rule against fraternizing with students was itself illegal. That's where protected classes could matter. But as I said, students aren't a protected class, so the rule is legal and thus enforceable. I only brought it up because you mentioned protected classes earlier and I wanted to make it clear they wouldn't apply here.

Does that make more sense?

Is it a reading comprehension thing? The MC, the student and their rights have nothing to do with it. The case is between Cathy, the employee, and B&R, the employer. This is the third time I've pointed this out to you.

 

[SunWarrior]

Does anyone know what to do if my game is soft locked on the tutorial of the house cleaning stuff?

 

[John Smith Jr.]

DavDR

To be honest, about 30 years ago, during my PhD studies, I heard from one of my male students, that he had an affair with a female professor. She was married and eventually ended the affair. I believe there are more cases across the globe.

At my university, I know of an affair between divorced female professor and her former female student. The affair begun prior to the female student graduation. They are living together as a couple for the last five years.

However, in today's climate, most likely that the female professor will not be fired. The likelihood of believing a male student is much lower than a complaint from a female student.

While the rules apply to both sexes, male professors are on the line.

Let's be honest and not hypocrites, affairs can start anywhere and the academia is no exception. The main problem is that one side (the professor) has the power over the student that he/she teaches.

Finally, don't forget the elephant in the in room, romantic relationships between professors at the university. At my university, I personally know about an affair of two faculty members. Both of them are divorced.

Well, we are living in different time. These are not the 1980's anymore (not to mention the 1970's).

 

[ename144]

Is it a reading comprehension thing? The MC, the student and their rights have nothing to do with it. The case is between Cathy, the employee, and B&R, the employer. This is the third time I've pointed this out to you.

I'm quite cable of reading your buzzword salad. Do you understand what a contract is? That's what matters here because there's no question the teachers at B&R signed some sort of contract.

 

[Hesteros]

Hey, if it's a fan-art, they fooled, me I read it on an another site.

It's legit. I used Unren to extract the game files and found that exact image under the name "d0_js8".

Spoiler: d0_js8

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Hey guys! Can anyone explain me the issue with Maya's tuition? College in my country is free, and I'm not used to all of this tuitions, loans, debts, and all.

In adition, I can't understand why Maya need tuition and how does MC pay college being poor.

Anybody who wants to clarify this to me?

 

[Crystaldom]

Hey guys! Can anyone explain me the issue with Maya's tuition? College in my country is free, and I'm not used to all of this tuitions, loans, debts, and all.

In adition, I can't understand why Maya need tuition and how does MC pay college being poor.

Anybody who wants to clarify this to me?

In my country you pay for college unless you have a scholarship. $100,000 student debts for major universities are not uncommon here.

 

[DavDR]

DavDR

To be honest, about 30 years ago, during my PhD studies, I heard from one of my male students, that he had an affair with a female professor. She was married and eventually ended the affair. I believe there are more cases across the globe.

At my university, I know of an affair between divorced female professor and her former female student. The affair begun prior to the female student graduation. They are living together as a couple for the last five years.

However, in today's climate, most likely that the female professor will not be fired. The likelihood of believing a male student is much lower than a complaint from a female student.

While the rules apply to both sexes, male professors are on the line.

Let's be honest and not hypocrites, affairs can start anywhere and the academia is no exception. The main problem is that one side (the professor) has the power over the student that he/she teaches.

Finally, don't forget the elephant in the in room, romantic relationships between professors at the university. At my university, I personally know about an affair of two faculty members. Both of them are divorced.

Well, we are living in different time. These are not the 1980's anymore (not to mention the 1970's).

Thanks for sharing your insights.

 

[ChipLecsap]

Hey guys! Can anyone explain me the issue with Maya's tuition? College in my country is free, and I'm not used to all of this tuitions, loans, debts, and all.

In adition, I can't understand why Maya need tuition and how does MC pay college being poor.

Anybody who wants to clarify this to me?

I don't understand fully, but, the way I see it. the college is not free in badik, and MC was working for the money during all summer.
Whereas Maya father just a jerk who tricked Maya to some co-funding loan. Probably some usual government student loan. or some Private Student Loans. There is this that seem similar to Maya case I think.
somehow she end up being the one who is responsible for the money, so I don't really understand. But it doesn't really change anything

Private loans can help students fill gaps in funding. Yet private student loans have drawbacks compared with federal student loans. These include: Credit-based eligibility. Private student loan terms will depend on the applicant's credit. Without a creditworthy co-signer, many students may not be able to get approved or may only qualify for a high interest rate. Risk for co-signers. Co-signers take on debt and risk when they add their names to private student loans. If the student can't make payments, this can hurt the co-signer's credit. In some cases, the co-signer will be responsible for the debt if the student dies or is permanently disabled.

 

[DavDR]

Hey guys! Can anyone explain me the issue with Maya's tuition? College in my country is free, and I'm not used to all of this tuitions, loans, debts, and all.

In adition, I can't understand why Maya need tuition and how does MC pay college being poor.

Anybody who wants to clarify this to me?

There's a government program in the US that guarantee's loan's to students for their tuition and expenses. The student has to pay the money back but the payments don't start until a certain time period after the student get's their degree.

Maya's problems don't make any sense to any of us either, it's nothing like the USA loan program. It's just something DPC made up.

 

[shazba]

Hey guys! Can anyone explain me the issue with Maya's tuition? College in my country is free, and I'm not used to all of this tuitions, loans, debts, and all.

In adition, I can't understand why Maya need tuition and how does MC pay college being poor.

Anybody who wants to clarify this to me?

In my country you pay for college unless you have a scholarship. $100,000 student debts for major universities are not uncommon here.

I don't understand fully, but, the way I see it. the college is not free in badik, and MC was working for the money during all summer.
Whereas Maya father just a jerk who tricked Maya to some co-funding loan. Probably some usual government student loan. or some Private Student Loans. There is this that seem similar to Maya case I think.
somehow she end up being the one who is responsible for the money, so I don't really understand. But it doesn't really change anything

There's a government program in the US that guarantee's loan's to students for their tuition and expenses. The student has to pay the money back but the payments don't start until a certain time period after the student get's their degree.

Maya's problems don't make any sense to any of us either, it's nothing like the USA loan program. It's just something DPC made up.

This pretty much spells out what went down (perhaps a small amount of poetic licence was employed):

https://f95zone.to/threads/being-a-dik-v0-7-2-dr-pinkcake.25332/post-5582199