VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[DavDR]

"firing an adult teacher for dating an adult student is a violation of the teachers (because they are the employee) right to free association."

This is the part that Ename missed on his first reading, let's parse it.

Firing an adult teacher - Being fired from their job penalizes the teacher.

Right to Free Association - The right to associate with whomever you choose is an enumerated right under the 1st Amendment of the Constitution. The Civil Rights act is a piece of legislation designed to penalize those who attempt to deny people their enumerated rights.

What this means is that Cathy has a right to date the MC if she chooses. Is it that simple, no it's not.

As an employer the University is on shaky ground telling their employees who they can associate with. Notice I said shaky ground, because the law is interpreted through the courts, and the particulars of the case, the bias of the court, and case law will have bearing on how the colleges attorneys advise them regarding this policy.

Although Cathy's right is clear their are other factors and circumstances where Cathy's rights conflict with the rights of others.

The video that Shazba posted, and described "The more I read about it, the more vague it becomes." reflects the shaky ground that I referred to. What this means is that B&R would not have a solid defense if they fired Cathy and she turned around and sued them for penalized her for exercising her Constitutional right to associate.

As any Lawyer will tell you litigation is perilous. Once an issue is brought before the Courts, unless you have a solid case based on settled law, almost anything can happen. And loosing such a case can be very damaging, financially and in terms of public reputation. Lawyers know this and will strongly advise against risking a court action without a solid defense.

So would B&R risk firing Cathy for dating the MC? Who knows. What I know for certain is that B&R's lawyers will be advising very strongly against it. That B&R will consider very carefully before taking such a perilous step. And that all of the absolute statements made by various posters on this issue are dead wrong.

Case Closed

 

[DavDR]

Fine, I'll spell it out for you.

The case between the teacher and the school is governed by contract law. Whatever the teacher agreed to in the employment contract is fully enforceable on them unless it violates the law. Illegal contracts (or clauses if the rest of the contract can stand) are unenforceable. Legal contracts are all too enforceable.

So if B&R's contract specifies that teachers will obey school rules, and the school has a rule against fraternizing with students, the school can discipline a teacher who fraternizes with students. The exception would be if a rule against fraternizing with students was itself illegal. That's where protected classes could matter. But as I said, students aren't a protected class, so the rule is legal and thus enforceable. I only brought it up because you mentioned protected classes earlier and I wanted to make it clear they wouldn't apply here.

Does that make more sense?

Is it a reading comprehension thing? The MC, the student and their rights have nothing to do with it. The case is between Cathy, the employee, and B&R, the employer. This is the third time I've pointed this out to you.

 

[SunWarrior]

Does anyone know what to do if my game is soft locked on the tutorial of the house cleaning stuff?

 

[John Smith Jr.]

DavDR

To be honest, about 30 years ago, during my PhD studies, I heard from one of my male students, that he had an affair with a female professor. She was married and eventually ended the affair. I believe there are more cases across the globe.

At my university, I know of an affair between divorced female professor and her former female student. The affair begun prior to the female student graduation. They are living together as a couple for the last five years.

However, in today's climate, most likely that the female professor will not be fired. The likelihood of believing a male student is much lower than a complaint from a female student.

While the rules apply to both sexes, male professors are on the line.

Let's be honest and not hypocrites, affairs can start anywhere and the academia is no exception. The main problem is that one side (the professor) has the power over the student that he/she teaches.

Finally, don't forget the elephant in the in room, romantic relationships between professors at the university. At my university, I personally know about an affair of two faculty members. Both of them are divorced.

Well, we are living in different time. These are not the 1980's anymore (not to mention the 1970's).

 

[ename144]

Is it a reading comprehension thing? The MC, the student and their rights have nothing to do with it. The case is between Cathy, the employee, and B&R, the employer. This is the third time I've pointed this out to you.

I'm quite cable of reading your buzzword salad. Do you understand what a contract is? That's what matters here because there's no question the teachers at B&R signed some sort of contract.

 

[Hesteros]

Hey, if it's a fan-art, they fooled, me I read it on an another site.

It's legit. I used Unren to extract the game files and found that exact image under the name "d0_js8".

Spoiler: d0_js8

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[Deleted member 2178935]

Hey guys! Can anyone explain me the issue with Maya's tuition? College in my country is free, and I'm not used to all of this tuitions, loans, debts, and all.

In adition, I can't understand why Maya need tuition and how does MC pay college being poor.

Anybody who wants to clarify this to me?

 

[Crystaldom]

Hey guys! Can anyone explain me the issue with Maya's tuition? College in my country is free, and I'm not used to all of this tuitions, loans, debts, and all.

In adition, I can't understand why Maya need tuition and how does MC pay college being poor.

Anybody who wants to clarify this to me?

In my country you pay for college unless you have a scholarship. $100,000 student debts for major universities are not uncommon here.

 

[DavDR]

DavDR

To be honest, about 30 years ago, during my PhD studies, I heard from one of my male students, that he had an affair with a female professor. She was married and eventually ended the affair. I believe there are more cases across the globe.

At my university, I know of an affair between divorced female professor and her former female student. The affair begun prior to the female student graduation. They are living together as a couple for the last five years.

However, in today's climate, most likely that the female professor will not be fired. The likelihood of believing a male student is much lower than a complaint from a female student.

While the rules apply to both sexes, male professors are on the line.

Let's be honest and not hypocrites, affairs can start anywhere and the academia is no exception. The main problem is that one side (the professor) has the power over the student that he/she teaches.

Finally, don't forget the elephant in the in room, romantic relationships between professors at the university. At my university, I personally know about an affair of two faculty members. Both of them are divorced.

Well, we are living in different time. These are not the 1980's anymore (not to mention the 1970's).

Thanks for sharing your insights.

 

[ChipLecsap]

Hey guys! Can anyone explain me the issue with Maya's tuition? College in my country is free, and I'm not used to all of this tuitions, loans, debts, and all.

In adition, I can't understand why Maya need tuition and how does MC pay college being poor.

Anybody who wants to clarify this to me?

I don't understand fully, but, the way I see it. the college is not free in badik, and MC was working for the money during all summer.
Whereas Maya father just a jerk who tricked Maya to some co-funding loan. Probably some usual government student loan. or some Private Student Loans. There is this that seem similar to Maya case I think.
somehow she end up being the one who is responsible for the money, so I don't really understand. But it doesn't really change anything

Private loans can help students fill gaps in funding. Yet private student loans have drawbacks compared with federal student loans. These include: Credit-based eligibility. Private student loan terms will depend on the applicant's credit. Without a creditworthy co-signer, many students may not be able to get approved or may only qualify for a high interest rate. Risk for co-signers. Co-signers take on debt and risk when they add their names to private student loans. If the student can't make payments, this can hurt the co-signer's credit. In some cases, the co-signer will be responsible for the debt if the student dies or is permanently disabled.

 

[DavDR]

Hey guys! Can anyone explain me the issue with Maya's tuition? College in my country is free, and I'm not used to all of this tuitions, loans, debts, and all.

In adition, I can't understand why Maya need tuition and how does MC pay college being poor.

Anybody who wants to clarify this to me?

There's a government program in the US that guarantee's loan's to students for their tuition and expenses. The student has to pay the money back but the payments don't start until a certain time period after the student get's their degree.

Maya's problems don't make any sense to any of us either, it's nothing like the USA loan program. It's just something DPC made up.

 

[shazba]

Hey guys! Can anyone explain me the issue with Maya's tuition? College in my country is free, and I'm not used to all of this tuitions, loans, debts, and all.

In adition, I can't understand why Maya need tuition and how does MC pay college being poor.

Anybody who wants to clarify this to me?

In my country you pay for college unless you have a scholarship. $100,000 student debts for major universities are not uncommon here.

I don't understand fully, but, the way I see it. the college is not free in badik, and MC was working for the money during all summer.
Whereas Maya father just a jerk who tricked Maya to some co-funding loan. Probably some usual government student loan. or some Private Student Loans. There is this that seem similar to Maya case I think.
somehow she end up being the one who is responsible for the money, so I don't really understand. But it doesn't really change anything

There's a government program in the US that guarantee's loan's to students for their tuition and expenses. The student has to pay the money back but the payments don't start until a certain time period after the student get's their degree.

Maya's problems don't make any sense to any of us either, it's nothing like the USA loan program. It's just something DPC made up.

This pretty much spells out what went down (perhaps a small amount of poetic licence was employed):

https://f95zone.to/threads/being-a-dik-v0-7-2-dr-pinkcake.25332/post-5582199

 

[Deleted member 2178935]

I don't understand fully, but, the way I see it. the college is not free in badik, and MC was working for the money during all summer.
Whereas Maya father just a jerk who tricked Maya to some co-funding loan. Probably some usual government student loan. or some Private Student Loans. There is this that seem similar to Maya case I think.
somehow she end up being the one who is responsible for the money, so I don't really understand. But it doesn't really change anything

There's a government program in the US that guarantee's loan's to students for their tuition and expenses. The student has to pay the money back but the payments don't start until a certain time period after the student get's their degree.

Maya's problems don't make any sense to any of us either, it's nothing like the USA loan program. It's just something DPC made up.

Thanks both of you. I'm starting Ep 7. At the start of it Maya explains the issue with the co-funding loan and his father being in possesion of the money. But it stills confusing to me.

PS: excuse my bad english. I'm not a native english speaker

 

[ChipLecsap]

This pretty much spells out what went down (perhaps a small amount of poetic licence was employed):

https://f95zone.to/threads/being-a-dik-v0-7-2-dr-pinkcake.25332/post-5582199

aham, Yeah I stopped paying attention to it with the whole Nora part and etc

 

[DavDR]

I've just concocted a little story in my head to help me sleep better at night. I goes like this:

The dad helps both twins take out student loans. Tells them, "I'll cosign for you, since you each haven't got a decent credit rating yet." They're like, "Cool dad, we always thought you were an asshole, but this is really great, you helping us out for our future and all, not many parents do that, very big of you!".

But instead of getting a loan made out to the school (at least for Maya), the dad does a sneaky and organizes a cash loan for Maya, and places the money in an account made out to him (for safe keeping). Maya thinks nothing of it because she's really just a ditsy kid, until he raises his ultimatum.

"Ok, you cunt munching dyke (forgive me God for the harsh language, but my daughter hath so sinnethed), you're now a fuckload in debt, and I control the cash. You need to stop seeing this Josy Jezebel (Revelation 2:20) or God help me (and I pray to him every day so I know he will), I will not give you access to this money, leaving you no money for college, and deeply in debt. I will ruin your entire future and laugh, haha! Do you hear me Bitch!

To which their mother (Nora it seems) tries to chime in, "But honey, as the cosigner, aren't you ultimately responsible..." but she is harshly rebuked by the father, "Silence bitch! Do you need another lesson from my belt? I am trying to save our daughter's soul here, and you would see her cast into the eternal fires of Hell!?"

Nora then mumbles under her breath, "Fuck you asshole, I'm off to MacAllens to get fucked like you never could fuck me..." Hearing his wife muttering the father bellows, "What are you saying there you whore!? So help me I will whip you unto an inch of your life".

Witnessing all of this, the twins turn to each other and Maya speaks, "What was Mom saying about the responsibility of the loan?" to which Derek ponders, "Fucked if I know, and it looks like you're fucked too." Then they hug each other and start reciting their mantra, "Always and ever."

Seeing the twins reciting some pagan passage, the father responds, "That doesn't sound like the the Our Father to me! Get on your knees now family!" Nora perks up a bit, "Oooh, I like where this is going..." but the father dashes her hopes, "and pray you brazzen harlot! Lord give me the strength to endure this family and bring them to the gates of Heaven!

Then they all take a bow, the curtain draws and the audience goes wild!

See, it doesn't take much to make sense of the whole co-signed loan thing, just a little imagination.

That's so g--

 

[`Ray`]

It's just something DPC made up.

Yeah, This loan concept of DPC is just out of my league. It seems like it is of very old times or maybe he himself got confused doing this part. In US it's different , In Canada it's different and In Being a dik it's different. But anyway if someone has super clarified this concept then please post the link to your that post.
PS: I already read shazba 's post but I unfortunately didn't understand it well, though I personally believe that there is no need for us to relate a fictional story with reality but still let's go.

 

[Deleted member 2178935]

This pretty much spells out what went down (perhaps a small amount of poetic licence was employed):

https://f95zone.to/threads/being-a-dik-v0-7-2-dr-pinkcake.25332/post-5582199

So, what about MC? Did he apply to a student loan or what? How does he manage to afford college?

 

[shazba]

aham, Yeah I stopped paying attention to it with the whole Nora part and etc

That's so g--

Yeah, This loan concept of DPC is just out of my league. It seems like it is of very old times or maybe he himself got confused doing this part. In US it's different , In Canada it's different and In Being a dik it's different. But anyway if someone has super clarified this concept then please post the link to your that post.
PS: I already read shazba 's post but I unfortunately didn't understand it well, though I personally believe that there is no need for us to relate a fiction story with reality but still let's go.

I would just suggest that Maya doesn't even really understand the situation. Her dad has just bamboozled her with bullshit to force her to comply. She couldn't possibly be a cosigner to his loan (she has no collateral, no credit rating, etc.) , but if she doesn't understand it (she's studying a "social work degree", chances are she has no grip on reality - almost as bad as Jill!), it doesn't even have to make sense, just as long as she thinks she's fucked.

So, what about MC? Did he apply to a student loan or what? How does he manage to afford college?

Yep, he tells Josy that he's taking out a student loan in chapter 1.

It seems his loan has a cash component (for living expenses perhaps), because he dips into it for the $500 to fuck Riona and Quinn in that threesome.

 

[DavDR]

So, what about MC? Did he apply to a student loan or what? How does he manage to afford college?

Yeah he says in ep 1 that he's taken out a student loan, and no mention of co-signer's at all, which makes Maya's loan thing so much more stupid. There's no real world logic to it. It's a plot-loan.

 

[Deleted member 2178935]

Yep, he tells Josy that he's taking out a student loan in chapter 1.

It seems his loan has a cash component (for living expenses perhaps), because he dips into it for the $500 to fuck Riona and Quinn in that threesome.

Yeah he says in ep 1 that he's taken out a student loan, and no mention of co-signer's at all, which makes Maya's loan thing so much more stupid. There's no real world logic to it. It's a plot-loan.

You're right guys! I forgot that dialogue in ep. 1. Thank you!