VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

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Ton's of plot flaws too.

Why give Maya such a vague warning about Quinn? Obviously because that would blow apart the whole Scavenger Hunt.

You're close to Sage but you never mention the restaurant to her?

MC tell's Maya about Josy but never mentions her name. Doesn't that sound a little odd? Anytime I've heard someone describe another person they always say their name.

Speaking of names, why don't we know anybodys? When I put someone's name in my phone I usually put the whole name. And Jill is famous, why haven't we heard her name before ep 5?

This is only four examples but it's all that I can think of right now (besides it's morning and I haven't finished my coffee yet), I know there are lot's more out there, we've discussed them here before.

The warning about Quinn is pretty bad writing, no question. But I'm not sure it really affects the plot that much. MCs who rejected Quinn's offer don't know any details, so it's not clear they could have convinced Maya at that point; she was pretty desperate. Meanwhile MCs who did patronize the restaurant would have a strong incentive not to spill the beans to Maya. At most this would make it more likely to blow Quinn's cover after Maya slaps her.

Which is why I think the inability to mention the restaurant to Sage is the much more serious flaw. By Episode 6 it's clear that a) the MC and Sage are friends (if not more), and b) Sage doesn't know about Quinn's empire. Given those points, there's really no excuse for an MC who isn't using the restaurant himself not to mention it her. It's way too big a deal to ignore if he has any interest in Sage's wellbeing or respect for her reputation. And that's completely ignoring the fact that an MC on Maya's path should be pulling strings to help her get that free tuition. So yeah, this one is a genuine plot hole.

Not mentioning Josy's name is at best a nitpick, IMHO. Going into details about a girl he's into would be a really weird thing to do out of the blue, so it's frankly more logical that her name didn't come up. The only time it would have made sense was when the MC returned after his second date with Josy, since that's the one time Maya was actually asking about how the relationship was going. But she was interrupted by a call from her father, and then the MC got sidetracked by the Chad investigation and the drunken Bella kiss, so the opportunity was lost.

Similarly, not know most people's last names doesn't matter much. Jill is the only one who's name would mean anything on it's own, and even with her it really made no difference: the MC's opinion of her and relationship with her was exactly the same before and after he learned she was a Royce. If the Lynette's family name reveal becomes a plot point in the future I'll be happy to complain about it then, but for now this is just a stylistic choice.

That's the thing about a bluff, you don't know it's a bluff. Maya thinks it's real. The dad really wants her to give up Josy, but how far is the dad prepared to go? We don't know.

Regarding reading the contents of a loan. A few years back I helped my sister out with a home loan, she trusted I knew what I was doing and signed where I told her to sign. A lot of people, girls or guys, aren't great with paperwork, and if someone else is gonna help them with the heavy lifting, they're happy to take a back seat. Me personally, I read fucking everything...

It comes down to whether Maya had any reason to disbelieve her dad at that time. He'd probably already lectured her about Josy, but she may not have expected him to come up with such a dastardly plan. So while she didn't agree with his stance, she still trusted him at the time. It's in episode 3 that Maya comes to the realization that she can't trust her dad (she's a bit slow).

But in the end the plot will still be about a problem that could have been solved 3+ months ago simply by ignoring it. I have to agree with felicemastronzo, that's a miserable anti-climax to build most of the game around.

From everything we see about Patrick and from the most basic need to preserve the tension of the story, I'll be very disappointed if it turns out Patrick was bluffing.

The image quality they are having now is incredible, it already sucks to play the first episodes seeing how the last ones look

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It's kind of sad that I'm the only one for now mentioning Sage's image

What is there to say? This is Sage in the same context we've been seeing her since Episode 4. After waiting weeks for our first glimpse of Episode 8, we see a shot that could just as easily have been taken from anywhere else in Season 2. Meh.

The image render quality is the only noteworthy thing here, and even that is becoming fairly routine.

 

[Hermith]

Thank you guys for explaining what Quinn does in the game throughout 7 episodes. It was very kind of you. I would never guess who she is and what she does before today but now I'm enlightened.

You should've re-read what I wrote before answering but no worries, I'll also do the explaining for you too.
Not every villain/antagonist/anti-hero, whatever NEEDS to have a redemption arc and become a "goodie two shoes". We are in 2021, this is a boring, an overused plot device.
X character is evil, does bad things to everyone. Then someone ordinary comes up/something happens and suddenly X realizes what s/he was doing was wrong and becomes a beacon of light.
What makes some characters interesting is them being villains/antagonists. When you take that from them, they lose their originality and become a generic character, there are hundreds of those characters.
Tell me, would people like Joker if he turned good after his first encounter with Batman? Or in Infiniy War, if Thanos said "nah killing half of the universe is too much, I'm not going to use the stones", would he be as amazing as he is? No.
So, stop trying to think a "redemption" for Quinn, Tommy or basically any other antagonist/villain is a must.
Also, please stop jumping at a post because it includes "Quinn". Read it first.

That's cute, but just because you like her the way she is doesn't mean she will stay like that and also doesn't mean that's the "interesting" or "original" way to develop her character. It's just as subjective as my own opinion. Thank you for your advice, but I won't stop trying to think about a redemption arc for Quinn. There are various scenes with her that clearly shown that there are much more to her than she let's on. We will see where will DPC go with the characters, but until then do and think whatever you want. I'll do just that.

 

[shazba]

Yeah, this is sad. Contrivances, really? Is it really going to break your heart to admit that there are flaws in this game?

Don't be silly. I just don't agree with you.

I don't see why you get so worked up when people like this game. I've mentioned there are grammatical errors, I just haven't seen an actual plot flaw. Your examples don't cut it. Characters making mistakes, or being tricked is not a plot flaw.

I know, even DPC is at the bottom of a hole that he just keeps digging

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Now this is massively disingenuous of you. The very next line is:

Maya: "I don't know how those things work, and I trusted him."​

Are you telling me you didn't read the next line, or you just ignored it because it didn't propel your argument?

I really don't know what you mean...

My position is that if it turns out to be all a deception it makes Maya look like a fool, a fool who doesn't need to be fooled over and over again to wake up. so I hope that's not the case...

if it was all a deception Maya would have just told her father to go to hell to end it all, not to go through Quinn's bullying, not to kick Josy out again etc.

It was only the one deception and Maya is still currently being deceived. She believes it's a real threat, that is the deception.

Your point, "if it was all a deception Maya would have just told her father to go to hell to end it all" only makes sense if she's aware that it's a lie. The point is she believes it's real so she's looking for means to work around it.

Now the irony is that she is doing things (threesome sex to get into the HOTs) to circumvent the blackmail, how would her dad react if he realized what he'd pushed her into?

I don't think that DPC wanted to create a realistic scenario, it's just a parody and a comedy.
The college setting has nothing to do with reality, for example the Hot sorority, member whom are selected because they are potential sluts !
Wearing slutty outfits, practicing prostitution, using drugs and alcool, fucking anybody and son on.

All those fraternities spending all their time fucking, partying, behaving like assholes, fighting eachother....
And their seem to be no real authority in that college, a council with some teachers who fuck students and are dressed like sluts.

So no need to try to find some flaws in the scenario with student loans, tuitions or anything related to real college life.

It's a pure comedy and DPC does what he wants to make everything funny, don't try to play that game as a trainer for your new college life, or you may encounter some difficulties!!!

The game blurs the lines between parody and drama, and for a lot of players they don't see where that distinction is. The drama has to be perceived as real otherwise we just laugh it off and it doesn't bring out the emotion that I'm sure DPC wants the players to feel (going by Acting Lessons, he's definitely big on making his players emotional), but at the same time the comical scenes often cross over the threshold into parody.

Also the clothing the HOTs wear, while characters like Maya call them sluts anyway, I don't think we are expected to believe they actually parade around like that on campus (even if they do), it's purely fan service.

There's plenty of poetic licence taken for the sake of making it enjoyable (on a humor, sexual and dramatic level), but at the same time, if something is a significant plot element it shouldn't be total bollocks either.

That said, the misunderstanding people continue to have with the Maya loan drama is they are taking the one character's (Maya's) poor understanding of the loan, and then trying to call it a plot flaw when it's a character flaw.

Maya doesn't understand the loan (her exact words, "I don't know how those things work, and I trusted him"). In her mind, he tricked her into getting a loan that has her over a barrel, whereas it's quite possible the he's tricked her into thinking he tricked her into getting a loan that has her over a barrel.

If it turns out that she really is a cosigner of a student loan that is made out to her (and not just that she thinks she is), then it's total bullshit, but at the moment we only have her word, and she doesn't even understand it.

 

[Broodinghost]

Finished another playthrough focusing on sage and sidechicks.and I found out sage really is Stephen Burke's daughter.now I wonder how sage will react when she finds out about mc dicking her mom/stepmom.

 

[shazba]

Finished another playthrough focusing on sage and sidechicks.and I found out sage really is Stephen Burke's daughter.now I wonder how sage will react when she finds out about mc dicking her mom/stepmom.

Can you elaborate on what convinced you that Sage is Burke's daughter? This is a theory that's floating around, but not a very strong one. What convinced you?

But in the end the plot will still be about a problem that could have been solved 3+ months ago simply by ignoring it. I have to agree with @felicemastronzo, that's a miserable anti-climax to build most of the game around.

From everything we see about Patrick and from the most basic need to preserve the tension of the story, I'll be very disappointed if it turns out Patrick was bluffing.

I'd hope, for Maya and her dad's sake, that simply telling the dad to fuck off isn't the final resolution, and that the dad comes around, but given what happen's to Melissa's dad in AL, who knows how it will be resolved.

 

[azer196]

sage red hair is natural or no if is natural then burke is not her father if is artificial he can be the father if the theory is true

 

[KeShane]

sage red hair is natural or no if is natural then burke is not her father if is artificial he can be the father if the theory is true

And what is that based on?

Just because he is not red head, doesn't mean he cannot have a red head daughter/son.
As jade is perhaps her stephmom, who knows her biological mom is a red head too.

Oh btw, i have a redhead friend... both of his parent's aren't redhead.
His grandfather was tho....

A few things you might want to know about it:

- Are all redheads genetically related?
The gene for red hair is recessive, so a person needs two copies of that gene for it to show up or be expressed. That means even if both parents carry the gene, just one in four of their children are likely to turn out to be a redhead. (Easy to google it)



- Does the ginger gene skip a generation?
Recessive traits like red hair can skip generations because they can hide out in a carrier behind a dominant trait. (Easy to google it)

So you only need the gene to have a chance to it, having the gene doesn't nescessarily mean you are one.

 

[mindern]

as a preview it was quite harmless, it didn't give any hint about the plot

the fact that Sage is the best is an established fact.

Wont stop me from rampantly speculating!

looks like she’s more open to the MC sharing a bed with her. Sure, he did whilst she was sick but she made a point in Ep3 of pushing him out and onto the floor.

It’s a minor thing but nice to see.

 

[derek.is.the.key]

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im going to quote this because its Sage

alright carry on you guys

 

[Broodinghost]

Can you elaborate what convinced you that Sage is Burke's daughter? This is a theory that's floating around, but not a very strong one. What convinced you?

Ok

1) Chad and Stephen are on first name basis. Remember when Chad enters Stephen's office Chad says "Stephen I didn't do anything" which is pretty disrespectful imo so they probably knew each through sage.and remember Chad asked sage for getting his president title back why would he ask sage ??


2) check the Jill's first cluck check sage's comment where she tells tyballs to stop bothering jill or something like that and tyballs says it's none of her buisness. She don't give a crap about jill so tell me why she's bothering herself with tyballs unless person you can see in the window is related to her.and remember she cares about her reputation a lot. And another thing in EP7 jill says she tried to be friends with sage but sage brushed her off.

3) in EP5 she takes mc in tyballs room why not any other room? Because she knew nobody will disturb them because she knows her brother/stepbrother is going to be busy licking asses for money just like his father.

 

[Broodinghost]

And I forgot to mention when mc and sage was about to have sex on couch and Jacob stops mc and was about to say someones name but mc interrupt him

 

[JETracktor]

I love the job of DPC, but it doesn't have a monopoly on good writing.

Where heis very strong is that he leaves the beginnings of the track all over the place. Even if it is false leads, it does the job, it intrigues the attentive player.

For example the photo frames during the Jade-Stephen dispute. We see three executives, in the middle Jade and Stephen, on the left Tybalt, and on the right we go not who. Either it's nothing, or it suggests that there is another child potentially at university.

What is also very good is to review scenes after learning certain things. For example at the very beginning of the game, the confrontation with the Jocks and Chad's reaction to the joke about being gay.

DPC is an impostor among us. Writing too good to be just a regular human. A lot of puzzles and hints (what I like a lot), really nice animations (not so necessary but ok) and GoT like plot. I hope his not gonna flow like some done.

 

[The Pink Royce]

Thank you guys for explaining what Quinn does in the game throughout 7 episodes. It was very kind of you. I would never guess who she is and what she does before today but now I'm enlightened.

You should've re-read what I wrote before answering but no worries, I'll also do the explaining for you too.
Not every villain/antagonist/anti-hero, whatever NEEDS to have a redemption arc and become a "goodie two shoes". We are in 2021, this is a boring, an overused plot device.
X character is evil, does bad things to everyone. Then someone ordinary comes up/something happens and suddenly X realizes what s/he was doing was wrong and becomes a beacon of light.
What makes some characters interesting is them being villains/antagonists. When you take that from them, they lose their originality and become a generic character, there are hundreds of those characters.
Tell me, would people like Joker if he turned good after his first encounter with Batman? Or in Infiniy War, if Thanos said "nah killing half of the universe is too much, I'm not going to use the stones", would he be as amazing as he is? No.
So, stop trying to think a "redemption" for Quinn, Tommy or basically any other antagonist/villain is a must.
Also, please stop jumping at a post because it includes "Quinn". Read it first.

i agree i dont even consider Quinn as a villain but she already got slapped earlier . cami and rio
are talking about being followed ( if its not the cops then it is way worse ) and Mona has vanished.
i dont really care if she turns good or not . i get a feeling that if she doesnt her stroy will be much more interesting ,
but sadder .

its for same reason i like Jill

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Quinn is just not my type , she's clearly damaged and doesnt trust anyone . im not gonna get involved in this.
im not even gonna try to guess how damaged she is because it can be really dark .
It's for same reason i friendzoned josy/maya right of the bet . im not gonna get involved in this

i think when people say redemption for quinn they mean she won't freaking get killed by some junkie for 20$.
i said it earlier i dont hate Quinn i just don't want to be part of her story.

i cant imagine Quinn being Quinn whole game . her story will develop the question is
will it be good or sad . she's not Jill or Maya . she gets involved with lots of shady stuff .

i have theory that Lily is up to something .... like its odd that she went to collage because she's bored
aha , someone is making to much money .
she also looks at you cockeyed when u do shady things ( persue multiple girls)

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[JETracktor]

For example the photo frames during the Jade-Stephen dispute. We see three executives, in the middle Jade and Stephen, on the left Tybalt, and on the right we go not who. Either it's nothing, or it suggests that there is another child potentially at university.

I think DPC trying to fool players by thinking that Sage is one of Burke's. But it's not, I am dead sure.

 

[vogelbeest]

sage red hair is natural or no if is natural then burke is not her father if is artificial he can be the father if the theory is true

Im a ginger, both my parents and my brother are blond....

For a person to be born a ginger both parents need to have the "ginger-gene" but even then he or she can still be blond or whatever hair color depending on the dominant genes.... The ginger one just isn't dominant so even if alot people have it only a part will be born a ginger....

 

[LoDoN-]

i have theory that Lily is up to something .... like its odd that she went to collage because she's bored
aha , someone is making to much money .
she also looks at you cockeyed when u do shady things ( persue multiple girls)

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[JETracktor]

I am wondering if Mc and Chad will become friends in the future? Jocks and Diks? If Mc defended Chad which means he think MC is cool and he is also thought MC is Blackmailing him so since MC found out the truth why Chad beat him. So, I think it is a possibility Diks and Jocks might work together in the future against the hacker or president Burke

They wasn't enemies at all. Chad was the one who gone 1st too recover at the HOTs party (if you defend him). He is gay but not retarded. Whole thing departs on player.

 

[Hermith]

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[felicemastronzo]

Wont stop me from rampantly speculating!

looks like she’s more open to the MC sharing a bed with her. Sure, he did whilst she was sick but she made a point in Ep3 of pushing him out and onto the floor.

It’s a minor thing but nice to see.

They have often had sex on that bed, whether she will let him sleep on it remains to be seen. For now, only Quinn and Jill have had this honour.

It was only the one deception and Maya is still currently being deceived. She believes it's a real threat, that is the deception.

Your point, "if it was all a deception Maya would have just told her father to go to hell to end it all" only makes sense if she's aware that it's a lie. The point is she believes it's real so she's looking for means to work around it.

Now the irony is that she is doing things (threesome sex to get into the HOTs) to circumvent the blackmail, how would her dad react if he realized what he'd pushed her into?

I think there is a misunderstanding...

I'm not saying it can't happen, but that I'd prefer it didn't happen. after tyablt's blackmail there's nothing that can exclude it from happening

DPC with this loan made an unbelievable mess (in italy we say that the patch was worse than the hole) from a narrative point of view it was enough that the father controlled that money, now after several reworkings it seems that the loan was obtained by the father and that Maya is the guarantor of this loan, the only one who will have problems if this loan will not be repaid

all this dramatic hype justified Maya's submissive behavior, the fact that she had to accept whatever Quinn asked her to do, without looking in anyone's face, the fact that she had to distance herself from Josy again etc...

now if all this turns out to be a scam, Maya from victim becomes a fool tricked by a deception that anyone could see (in the terms in which DPC put it), because even if she trusted her father after he had segregated her (Nuremberg syndrome I think..) at least after she had discovered the deception she should have informed herself.

I sincerely would prefer that not all the LIs were reduced to stupid ones that don't distinguish the top from the bottom.

I don't see any great irony in what Maya had to go through, the irony if anything is that DPC tells a story where in the end Patrick is right, where Maya doesn't like girls so much and where it was actually enough to remove Josy to make her daughter heterosexual.

 

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