VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[LoDoN-]

I don't mind fries on their own from time-to-time.

Maya seems like a negative impact on Josy's character. Without Maya in the picture Josy was awesome, with Maya in the picture Josy became a shadow. In episode 7, with Maya pretty much sulking in her room, Josy was back in good form.

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[shazba]

As was pointed out by several other posters after you made your earlier post, for Maya to have believed that story about the loan she would either have to stupid to a degree that strains credulity, or it would have just been written that way by a writer who can't even be bothered to look up the simplest of things. I did not post the second line because I do not believe the second line. But if the hill you want to die on is Maya believing that ridiculous story about the loan, be my guest.

So you'll believe a character's understanding of a situation is 100% representative of the reality of the situation, but when the character says, in the next line, they don't really understand the situation, you'll dismiss that comment and say their understanding is still the 100% reality. So when Maya says she doesn't understand the loan, you're just pretending she didn't say that? That's tantamount to putting your fingers in your ears while singing "lalalala!"...

 

[DavDR]

So you'll believe a character's understanding of a situation is 100% representative of the reality of the situation, but when the character says, in the next line, they don't really understand the situation, you'll dismiss that comment and say their understanding is still the 100% reality. So when Maya says she doesn't understand the loan, you're just pretending she didn't say that? That's tantamount to putting your fingers in your ears while singing "lalalala!"...

It's not just "the characters" understanding of the situation, it's several characters understanding of the situation. It's Josy's, an economics major's understanding of the situation. It's Derek's understanding, it's MC's understanding, it's now probably Sage's understanding. It is so unbelievable that of course I don't believe it, no one believe's it. I question whether you believe it.

 

[shazba]

It's not just "the characters" understanding of the situation, it's several characters understanding of the situation. It's Josy's, an economics major's understanding of the situation. It's Derek's understanding, it's MC's understanding, it's now probably Sage's understanding. It is so unbelievable that of course I don't believe it, no one believe's it. I question whether you believe it.

All of their understandings came from Maya's potentially flawed understanding. But I agree that in the same way that we think the loan sounds fishy, the more savvy characters should also question it, but unlike us who have had months to debate it, they've had much less time.

Derek would have learnt about it pretty quickly after Maya, but I don't know how savvy he'd be at reading through loan legal jargon (it's not like it's that hard, but a lot of people glaze over when reading contracts). He successfully cheats his way through school, so I don't know if that makes him smart or dumb.

Josy would have only found out about it when she arrived at college however a lot of their focus was taken up with the mc's drama.

Sage may not even know about it, but if she does, it's just happened at the end of episode 7.

The mc has known about it for a couple of weeks but he's had heaps of drama on his plate and hers isn't really all that pressing (compared with repairs to the mansion etc.).

But at some point someone should be saying to Maya, "Can you get a copy of the loan document?"

I still don't find this entire scenario incredulously unbelievable. If it was me, rather than Maya, I'd definitely do it differently, but I'm not Maya.

Maya is a relatively sheltered 18 year old girl who's lived under her fathers iron reign her whole life and only just started to fall out of favor due to her father's discovery of her sexuality. She's probably had her dad do everything for her (she wasn't even allowed to get a job during school holidays). She's not used to going behind his back, undermining him. That's why she's panicking and fairly ineffectual in this situation.

There are heaps of people out there who suck at life and can't manage shit for themselves.

 

[EmperorGus]

It's not just "the characters" understanding of the situation, it's several characters understanding of the situation. It's Josy's, an economics major's understanding of the situation. It's Derek's understanding, it's MC's understanding, it's now probably Sage's understanding. It is so unbelievable that of course I don't believe it, no one believe's it. I question whether you believe it.

Lets start with 'suspension of disbelief'.
Google it, please.
Short version: All forms of entertainment require you to let go of the little things that might not add-up in reality.

Now, lets pick at one of your details...
Josy is supposed to fix this for her?
Josy, an 18yr old kid in her first couple weeks of college, is supposed to already be an expert in contract law??? Umm.. No.
And, btw, she's planning on studying Economics, not Law.

Now... the loan.
- A dual signature loan where her father controls release of the funds. Yup, those exist. (Now, if you're fool enough to think that standardized contracts are the only contracts, then I can see where this one is tripping you up.)
- She wouldn't be able to get a second loan. Yup, that checks out too. No lending institution is going give an 18yr old, unemployed, student a loan when she's already signed on another one. Doesn't really matter the legality of the first, they won't take the risk.
- She'd be on the hook for the debt. Yeah, ok. If her father doesn't the release the funds to her and she has the paper trail to prove it, then no. But, she'd still be looking at a lengthy legal battle (that she can't pay for). During which she wouldn't have the funds to pay for school. So the end result is the same, she'd have to leave college.

The loan tickles my suspension of disbelief, just a bit. But it's not even close to breaking it.
I take it for what it is. A story element meant to highlight A) that her father is a monster and B) Maya is in a pretty damn stressful situation.

 

[DavDR]

All of their understandings came from Maya's potentially flawed understanding. But I agree that in the same way that we think the loan sounds fishy, the more savvy characters should also question it, but unlike us who have had months to debate it, they've had much less time.

Derek would have learnt about it pretty quickly after Maya, but I don't know how savvy he'd be reading through loan legal jargon (it's not like it's that hard, but a lot of people glaze over when reading contracts). He successfully cheats his way through school, so I don't know if that makes him smart or dumb.

Josy would have only found out about it when she arrived at college however a lot of their focus was taken up with the mc's drama.

Sage may not even know about it, but if she does, it's just happened at the end of episode 7.

The mc has known about it for a couple of weeks but he's had heaps of drama on his plate and hers isn't really all that pressing (compared with repairs to the mansion etc.).

But at some point someone should be saying to Maya, "Can you get a copy of the loan document?"

I still don't find this entire scenario incredulously unbelievable. If it was me, rather than Maya, I'd definitely do it differently, but I'm not Maya.

Maya is a relatively sheltered 18 year old girl who's lived under her fathers iron reign her whole life and only just started to fall out of favor due to her father's discovery of her sexuality. She's probably had her dad do everything for her (she wasn't even allowed to get a job during school holidays). She's not used to going behind his back, undermining him. That's why she's panicking and fairly ineffectual in this situation.

There are heaps of people out there who suck at life and can't manage shit for themselves.

Then what did Maya tell Josy was the reason for their first separation? If the threat of a lifetime of debt (PFFFFTTTT) wasn't the reason that Maya ditched the love of her life then what was the reason? Don't you see the more you try to shore up this stupid plot flaw the more it falls apart. Even DPC has changed his story on it. At the end of ep 6 it was Maya's Father who was implied to be the co-signer, now in ep 7 Maya is the co-signer. It's utterly stupid. It's a stupid theory that Maya believes it, it's a stupid theory that any other character believes it or that any player of the game believe's it.

 

[Kukipett]

Finished another playthrough focusing on sage and sidechicks.and I found out sage really is Stephen Burke's daughter.now I wonder how sage will react when she finds out about mc dicking her mom/stepmom.

Heee no, she is not, but someone else is the son of Burke and Jade and no it's not the MC, some may think that Neil was a cuck as he looked pretty stupid in his youth sitting on that huge ball, but as Derek said he has pounded his ass, maybe Neil was gay and just asked a little help from a friend.
All this seems really confusing, maybe the 12 glasses of vodka and the 6 lines of coke were a bit too much this evening

 

[godkingxerxes]

It's not just "the characters" understanding of the situation, it's several characters understanding of the situation. It's Josy's, an economics major's understanding of the situation. It's Derek's understanding, it's MC's understanding, it's now probably Sage's understanding. It is so unbelievable that of course I don't believe it, no one believe's it. I question whether you believe it.

Josy barely got into college and Derek is a moron, why would they understand Maya's situation better than she does.

Better yet, how the fuck you still on about this? It's trash plot, sure but we've exhausted this conversation months ago, how does it always get brought up.

 

[Kukipett]

I already imagine that everything would come as it happened with Jeffrey Epstein

Don't you realise that this B/R college is just a cover up for some rich old farts who invest a lot of money to create a sorority made of the biggest sluts of the campus equiped with pool, sauna and all the utilities so the special guests can spend some time with the girls and give them free tuition if they are sweet enough!

 

[DavDR]

Lets start with 'suspension of disbelief'.
Google it, please.
Short version: All forms of entertainment require you to let go of the little things that might not add-up in reality.

Now, lets pick at one of your details...
Josy is supposed to fix this for her?
Josy, an 18yr old kid in her first couple weeks of college, is supposed to already be an expert in contract law??? Umm.. No.
And, btw, she's planning on studying Economics, not Law.

Now... the loan.
- A dual signature loan where her father controls release of the funds. Yup, those exist. (Now, if you're fool enough to think that standardized contracts are the only contracts, then I can see where this one is tripping you up.)
- She wouldn't be able to get a second loan. Yup, that checks out too. No lending institution is going give an 18yr old, unemployed, student a loan when she's already signed on another one. Doesn't really matter the legality of the first, they won't take the risk.
- She'd be on the hook for the debt. Yeah, ok. If her father doesn't the release the funds to her and she has the paper trail to prove it, then no. But, she'd still be looking at a lengthy legal battle (that she can't pay for). During which she wouldn't have the funds to pay for school. So the end result is the same, she'd have to leave college.

The loan tickles my suspension of disbelief, just a bit. But it's not even close to breaking it.
I take it for what it is. A story element meant to highlight A) that her father is a monster and B) Maya is in a pretty damn stressful situation.

Bullshit.

What did Patrick put down as the purpose for the loan at the time it was made? Was it a student loan? Why weren't the funds disbursed to the learning institution? How did Patrick gain control of the funds?

If it was a dual signature loan then how did an 18 year old with zero assets wind up the guarantor of the loan? What bank on the face of the earth would make a loan like that? Where were the banking authorities?

You don't have to be an expert in contract law to know that student loan's don't work like that.

 

[Kukipett]

You mean in college I can't go to class half-naked wearing a Dildo Helmet? Drink myself stupid every day, still get perfect grades. Fuck anything with a skirt and have a foot and a half dick. Why even live man... Guess I will just commit Sodoku...

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Going half naked with a dildo helmet, i can do it !, drinking and beeing stupid, very easy, getting perfect grades, maybe, fucking everything with a skirt, YES YES!!!, but then we arrive to the drama part, the one and half foot dick, do you think a one inch and a half dick would do the job anyway ??

 

[shazba]

Lets start with 'suspension of disbelief'.
Google it, please.
Short version: All forms of entertainment require you to let go of the little things that might not add-up in reality.

Now, lets pick at one of your details...
Josy is supposed to fix this for her?
Josy, an 18yr old kid in her first couple weeks of college, is supposed to already be an expert in contract law??? Umm.. No.
And, btw, she's planning on studying Economics, not Law.

Now... the loan.
- A dual signature loan where her father controls release of the funds. Yup, those exist. (Now, if you're fool enough to think that standardized contracts are the only contracts, then I can see where this one is tripping you up.)
- She wouldn't be able to get a second loan. Yup, that checks out too. No lending institution is going give an 18yr old, unemployed, student a loan when she's already signed on another one. Doesn't really matter the legality of the first, they won't take the risk.
- She'd be on the hook for the debt. Yeah, ok. If her father doesn't the release the funds to her and she has the paper trail to prove it, then no. But, she'd still be looking at a lengthy legal battle (that she can't pay for). During which she wouldn't have the funds to pay for school. So the end result is the same, she'd have to leave college.

The loan tickles my suspension of disbelief, just a bit. But it's not even close to breaking it.
I take it for what it is. A story element meant to highlight A) that her father is a monster and B) Maya is in a pretty damn stressful situation.

The biggest issue people have with the loan, and I totally accept it's an issue, is the understanding that Maya "co-signed" the loan.

Initially it was a simple understanding that the dad was controlling the funds of the loan. Some people didn't buy it because a typical student loan would have been made out to the school, the dad would have no access to the funds.

Then Maya "clarified" it that she was a "co-signer" of the loan, which would imply (if her understanding was correct), that her dad took out the loan, and made her the guarantor. That definitely makes no sense, so either Maya's got it wrong or the plot is wrong.

A co-signer is not a dual signature. Maybe DPC got those terms confused, in which case he's fucked up, but maybe Maya's dad is feeding her bullshit and she's fallen for it. Both are plausible. Some are finding delight in the idea that DPC may have fucked up and are closing their minds to any other possibility.

Then what did Maya tell Josy was the reason for their first separation? If the threat of a lifetime of debt (PFFFFTTTT) wasn't the reason that Maya ditched the love of her life then what was the reason? Don't you see the more you try to shore up this stupid plot flaw the more it falls apart. Even DPC has changed his story on it. At the end of ep 6 it was Maya's Father who was implied to be the co-signer, now in ep 7 Maya is the co-signer. It's utterly stupid. It's a stupid theory that Maya believes it, it's a stupid theory that any other character believes it or that any player of the game believe's it.

Maya never ditched Josy. Their relationship had become long distant (because, you know, they lived apart), and her dad was making it awkward (through whatever means, other threats etc.) The loan fiasco was his final attempt at severing the relationship, and that still hadn't succeeded.

You're right about Maya's understanding changing. Once again, that either points to Maya not understanding what she's talking about, or DPC making an error. Either are possible. You choose to believe one, and I choose to believe the other.

 

[DavDR]

Josy barely got into college and Derek is a moron, why would they understand Maya's situation better than she does.

Better yet, how the fuck you still on about this? It's trash plot, sure but we've exhausted this conversation months ago, how does it always get brought up.

Oh that's rich. This whole argument is about Shazba's unwillingness to admit that there are any plot flaws in the game at all and you jump in crying about this crap? HA

 

[Heycock]

Lets start with 'suspension of disbelief'.
Google it, please.
Short version: All forms of entertainment require you to let go of the little things that might not add-up in reality.

Now, lets pick at one of your details...
Josy is supposed to fix this for her?
Josy, an 18yr old kid in her first couple weeks of college, is supposed to already be an expert in contract law??? Umm.. No.
And, btw, she's planning on studying Economics, not Law.

Now... the loan.
- A dual signature loan where her father controls release of the funds. Yup, those exist. (Now, if you're fool enough to think that standardized contracts are the only contracts, then I can see where this one is tripping you up.)
- She wouldn't be able to get a second loan. Yup, that checks out too. No lending institution is going give an 18yr old, unemployed, student a loan when she's already signed on another one. Doesn't really matter the legality of the first, they won't take the risk.
- She'd be on the hook for the debt. Yeah, ok. If her father doesn't the release the funds to her and she has the paper trail to prove it, then no. But, she'd still be looking at a lengthy legal battle (that she can't pay for). During which she wouldn't have the funds to pay for school. So the end result is the same, she'd have to leave college.

The loan tickles my suspension of disbelief, just a bit. But it's not even close to breaking it.
I take it for what it is. A story element meant to highlight A) that her father is a monster and B) Maya is in a pretty damn stressful situation.

Good tried there, and yet explain me this:

1) How DPC dare to write a porn-college story without an accurate representation of the finance world?. Doesnt he understand that most of player want to submerge themselfs into other country law conflicts after wanking themselfs with Sage boobs? It's not clear to everyone that loan's regulations are a fundamental part of any story.

2) How DPC dare to write a story in wich some people don't understand this issues? Is not clear that we live in a world in wich there are not people who are ignorant about this issues and therefore are scam? After all, did someone ever heard of finance scam?

3) How DPC pretend us to like a 19 years old busty blonde if she doesn't understand finance law? How can we find her atractive is she prefer to "watch movies" with us half naked instead of studying finance?

Well, where is your "suspension of disbielief" now?

 

[Kukipett]

Oh that's rich. This whole argument is about Shazba's unwillingness to admit that there are any plot flaws in the game at all and you jump in crying about this crap? HA

Seriously who cares about plot flaws in this game, pussy flaws and crabs are the real thing!

 

[DavDR]

The biggest issue people have with the loan, and I totally accept it's an issue, is the understanding that May "co-signed" the loan.

Initially it was a simple understanding that the dad was controlling the funds of the loan. Some people didn't buy it because a typical student loan would have been made out to the school, the dad would have no access to the funds.

Then Maya "clarified" it that she was a "co-signer" of the loan, which would imply (if her understanding was correct), that her dad took out the loan, and made her the guarantor. That definitely makes no sense, so either Maya's got it wrong or the plot is wrong.

A co-signer is not a dual signature. Maybe DPC got those terms confused, in which case he's fucked up, but maybe Maya's dad is feeding her bullshit and she's fallen for it. Both are plausible. Some are finding delight in the idea that DPC may have fucked up and are closing their minds to any other possibility.


Maya never ditched Josy. Their relationship had become long distant (because, you know, they lived apart), and her dad was making it awkward (through whatever means, other threats etc.) The loan fiasco was his final attempt at severing the relationship, and that still hadn't succeeded.

You're right about Maya's understanding changing. Once again, that either points to Maya not understanding what she's talking about, or DPC making an error. Either are possible. You choose to believe one, and I choose to believe the other.

Maya lived in the city where B&R is located. Josy lives in the town where the MC lives. It's a 30 minute train ride. That's not a long distance relationship.

 

[Niu6609]

Dude, are you even read the plot? Its clear that Sage organise the prep party for her father. So many hints starting from car wash scene with Quinn. That's why she's doing the "pay in forward" thing with Maya - her father ought her one.

Or maybe Quinn hints that Sage can make the prep party for her father? Sage is hating the preps, everyone so concerned (but you I guess).

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Right, um, I think you might be selectively biased or something, because there is, in fact, zero evidence that Sage held the preps' party. Nada. Nil.

When Quinn tells Sage that she could run home and ask for sponsorship, that only implies that Sage has a wealthy background (like Rusty) and could ask her family to help with sorority funds. The scene with Rusty and Tommy correlates with the Quinn scene. Quinn is the direct mastermind behind this whole plan and Sage, as the president of the HOTs, is persuaded by her to move forward with the preps' party under the guise of accumulating funds for the sorority, while in reality, she plans on mingling with Tybalt and the preps to get them to buy into her drug business. Riona (who is already part of Quinn's business) is either just lying, or was never notified by Quinn of her idea of using the preps' party as a way to expand their dealings.

So there you have it. It's nothing like Sage planning out the props' party. All it was was an elaborate scheme for Quinn's self-profit, and partially for sorority funds, and nothing else. Don't overthink this and misunderstand everything. It really is that simple.

Hey so I just got cucked by Maya and Josy on probably episode three or four maybe I didn't chose friendship and had massive dik affinity so I just wanted to know if their is anymore scenes with them or potential choices that can change that outcome in future?

I headed for a DIK run and just scrapped that save and started a new CHICK save for their scenes once that happened. In any case though, you'll probably still be able to pick from one of them, albeit the trouple is closed off indefinitely.

I always thought the best ending for episode 7 was that Maya would have given the list to Sage and she would read it, but her face was covered by the paper and when she finished reading it, she would move the list of her face and Sage would have a angry face

And then she'd just call Quinn out in the next episode and confront her about the list they got, Quinn tries to explain, and Sage either gets really fucking pissed, or just lets it go and asks her never to do it again. OR she consults the MC on the matter and the MC can choose whether to ruin Quinn or just let her go for now. Either way it would've been interesting.....

But Sage never really did ask about the list, though. She was delving into Maya's personal issues that she's currently dealing with, so in the end it makes no sense for her to hand her the list in that context. I do hope the list comes up again sometime soon. Really interested to see how Sage is gonna deal with what she sees.

You're wrong. They very much affect your LI's. If you're a major DIK by episode 4, then Maya, Josy, Bella and Jill all reject you. Those choices have a major impact on the story.

To be clear, you can still go for Jill and either M/J on the DIK route. I'm not sure about Bella since I fucked that up with Cathy's panties (it's been close to a month and I'm still fucking salty over that), but again, Jill is still up for grabs, as long as you don't lose too much RP with her.

 

[Niu6609]

On another note, this just popped into my head. Derek says the weirdest pussy lips he's seen were akin to clown lips. That begs the question, what kind of girls has Derek been fucking up until now? How the fuck did he manage to charm them with his words? Just how much of a chameleon can Derek be?

And finally, what are the weirdest pussy lips you've seen in your life? I am curious, and I need answers. (This is coming from a virgin who's yet to experience true sexual intercourse and needs to prepare himself for the future )

 

[n0cn1l]

Maya lived in the city where B&R is located. Josy lives in the town where the MC lives. It's a 30 minute train ride. That's not a long distance relationship.

From the POV of a high schooler girl/teenager who hides the relationship from her parents it might be

 

[LoDoN-]

Seriously who cares about plot flaws in this game, pussy flaws and crabs are the real thing!

Crabjobs are my new fetiche.