VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[The Pink Royce]

Only while you are wearing it.

i dunno sex in t-shirt maybe little to sweaty . but then i get #nohomo pass ... hmm tuff choice
could be usful in bars though .

edit : im not considering , is just an observation #nohomo , phew that was close

 

[felicemastronzo]

As long as we are polite is fine. That's the good thing of arguig with you felice.
Man, i know they were serious couse i was in that argument and they explicitly say they were serious and they actually believe it. They also used the same sentences that you used as a joke, thats why i reacted in the first place.

Ok. so let's sayd that Maya is the most passive victim who ever lived. It doesn't change any fundamental thing. Couse that's how power works. You hate your boss, but you need your work, so you accept watever shit he throws at you. You hate your local bully but you learn to avoid confrontation couse, what re you going to win? To being hit.
For right wing narrative passivness is lack of character, for left wing narrative pasivness is lack of power. Both have some point in general, but for some issues in some places one of themhas more reason than the other.
What Chad and Maya do? To lie, couse that's what you do when you can't be honest without facing repercussions. You can say: "But that's not the world in wich we live, people now can be openly gay". And yes it will be true in some places, in others it will not. But it doesnt matter couse that is not the LGBT narrative, the LGBT narrative is that they are actually being discriminate and the conservative narrative is that they are not. So if in one story you see people who cannot get out of the closet couse they face serious repercussions, true or not, that's exactly LGBT narrative.
So what's the messege that a gay should get? None, because the messege is not for them. They are not the problem, the problem is the people who actually discriminate them and the mesegge is simple: Dont.

they lie knowing they are lying, don't believe every stranger who writes on the internet

So Maya lied? Interesting... first time I've heard that one.

now let's see what Chad will do: if he confronts the problem or simply asks mc to keep his secret (which he has cleverly hidden by making out in the locker room of a gym normally frequented by his enlightened jocks friends).

Maya lacks power towards her father (and this power she gave to her father by continuing to trust him against all evidence), but it is not only from him that she hides, she hides from everybody. and then this lack of power, of character be it what it may, must culminate in a reaction

Maya's reaction is to kick Josy out of her life for the second time. and to give up again, and this is Josy's statement, not mine, then unfortunately Sage intervenes and forces her to be helped again.

you say that this story should push those who follow it to take Maya's side... except that in this it has statistically failed, considering the success the character has had.
but going even beyond this aspect (the players are all retrograde chauvinists except me, you and a couple of people I like), if I decide to defend Maya I don't do it for a sexual issue, that is completely marginal, you do it to defend a girl from an abuse. if the father had acted the same way because he wanted Maya to be a housewife and to have already 4 children, I would have defended her the same way
The social issue doesn't really come in, because it's not in the interest of the story that it comes in.

 

[The Pink Royce]

[...]
Honestly, mother and daughter should just have some good old make-up sex and so we can end all that drama between them
I just realised that my sentence can be very misleading if you don't know the context... Sorry incest fans

you mean landlady and younger roomate right ?

 

[The Pink Royce]

[...]
(which he has cleverly hidden by making out in the locker room of a gym normally frequented by his enlightened jocks friends).

Maya lacks power towards her father (and this power she gave to her father by continuing to trust him against all evidence), but it is not only from him that she hides, she hides from everybody. and then this lack of power, of character be it what it may, must culminate in a reaction

Maya's reaction is to kick Josy out of her life for the second time. and to give up again, and this is Josy's statement, not mine, then unfortunately Sage intervenes and forces her to be helped again.

you say that this story should push those who follow it to take Maya's side... except that in this it has statistically failed, considering the success the character has had.
but going even beyond this aspect (the players are all retrograde chauvinists except me, you and a couple of people I like), if I decide to defend Maya I don't do it for a sexual issue, that is completely marginal, you do it to defend a girl from an abuse. if the father had acted the same way because he wanted Maya to be a housewife and to have already 4 children, I would have defended her the same way
The social issue doesn't really come in, because it's not in the interest of the story that it comes in.

and also she's 18 and been living with her father her whole life ... it kind of has influence
not to mention the toll it takes on her psyche . only escape is Josy who lives far away and her brother
Derek who drinks assvodka for breakfast.

cmon guys cut her some slack . i know she didnt have to crawl out of hell like Rio or Quinn
but its not like she had it easier then avrg person .

 

[felicemastronzo]

and also she's 18 and been living with her father her whole life ... it kind of has influence
not to mention the toll it takes on her psyche . only escape is Josy who lives far away and her brother
Derek who drinks assvodka for breakfast.

cmon guys cut her some slack . i know she didnt have to crawl out of hell like Rio or Quinn
but its not like she had it easier then avrg person .

but I like Maya, but her faults are part of her, it's not that I have to consider her a new Joan of Arc!

Sage is my absolute favourite but I think she is a girl who would drive almost anyone who wanted to be by her side to the psychiatric ward (and not for the 3 out of 5 stars).

 

[The Pink Royce]

but I like Maya, but her faults are part of her, it's not that I have to consider her a new Joan of Arc!

Sage is my absolute favourite but I think she is a girl who would drive almost anyone who wanted to be by her side to the psychiatric ward (and not for the 3 out of 5 stars).

well i think you on to something about Sage , it turned Chad gay

 

[felicemastronzo]

well i think you on to something about Sage , it turned Chad gay

your judgement is homophobic!!!

but you might be right

 

[Heycock]

they lie knowing they are lying, don't believe every stranger who writes on the internet

So Maya lied? Interesting... first time I've heard that one.

now let's see what Chad will do: if he confronts the problem or simply asks mc to keep his secret (which he has cleverly hidden by making out in the locker room of a gym normally frequented by his enlightened jocks friends).

Maya lacks power towards her father (and this power she gave to her father by continuing to trust him against all evidence), but it is not only from him that she hides, she hides from everybody. and then this lack of power, of character be it what it may, must culminate in a reaction

Maya's reaction is to kick Josy out of her life for the second time. and to give up again, and this is Josy's statement, not mine, then unfortunately Sage intervenes and forces her to be helped again.

you say that this story should push those who follow it to take Maya's side... except that in this it has statistically failed, considering the success the character has had.
but going even beyond this aspect (the players are all retrograde chauvinists except me, you and a couple of people I like), if I decide to defend Maya I don't do it for a sexual issue, that is completely marginal, you do it to defend a girl from an abuse. if the father had acted the same way because he wanted Maya to be a housewife and to have already 4 children, I would have defended her the same way
The social issue doesn't really come in, because it's not in the interest of the story that it comes in.

Well dont trust me. I know i am right, i know they were talking serious. You think there are not homophobics? or that they dont masturbate?
And for sure is not the first time that a story with a progressive agenda fails and is face against a huge backlash. We have seen it once and again and again lately. Everyone were happy when DPC was making fun of feminist and gays but once he starts to put gay narrative on the menu suddenly some people start to become angry? What a surprise.
Of all the girls in the story the lesbian feminist is the most hated? What a surprise.
Also is clear that the story has "failed" with Maya. That's evident. She is a porn character, her main goal is todirectly please the player. And yet she is the less like it? Politics felice. We reach a point in wich people is no longer able to enjoy porn if it cames with a very naive political messege.

Of course they lied. A justified lied in the context of the story, that's the point. You will not openly say that you are gay in Arabia Saudita for example. And noone can blame you if you want to keep being alive.
Man we should not being argueing this couse it was explicit on the end of episode 7.

Ok about Chad kissing of the gym, that was stupid. It is a classic stupidity from comedy narrative.
You are exagereting, she didnt kick her out of her live and by that point she didn't had any option. Thats the point, she lacks power. That's the main trait of a victim. She doesnt have options. Well yeah, she could loose her scolarship and see how everyone around her get a degree a while she clean floors for a minimum wage to pay a loan she couldnt even use. Or she could talk with her father and since we know that fanatics are reasonable people he would understand her. Honestely you cant blame her for lying to her father.

I am sorry but i am lost right now. You know that the conflict is that Maya is lesbian?

 

[Hermith]

Well dont trust me. I know i am right, i know they were talking serious. You think there are not homophobics? or that they dont masturbate?
And for sure is not the first time that a story with a progressive agenda fails and is face against a huge backlash. We have seen it once and again and again lately. Everyone were happy when DPC was making fun of feminist and gays but once he starts to put gay narrative on the menu suddenly some people start to become angry? What a surprise.
Of all the girls in the story the lesbian feminist is the most hated? What a surprise.
Also is clear that the story has "failed" with Maya. That's evident. She is a porn character, her main goal is todirectly please the player. And yet she is the less like it? Politics felice. We reach a point in wich people is no longer able to enjoy porn if it cames with a very naive political messege.

Of course they lied. A justified lied in the context of the story, that's the point. You will not openly say that you are gay in Arabia Saudita for example. And noone can blame you if you want to keep being alive.
Man we should not being argueing this couse it was explicit on the end of episode 7.

Ok about Chad kissing of the gym, that was stupid. It is a classic stupidity from comedy narrative.
You are exagereting, she didnt kick her out of her live and by that point she didn't had any option. Thats the point, she lacks power. That's the main trait of a victim. She doesnt have options. Well yeah, she could loose her scolarship and see how everyone around her get a degree a while she clean floors for a minimum wage to pay a loan she couldnt even use. Or she could talk with her father and since we know that fanatics are reasonable people he would understand her. Honestely you cant blame her for lying to her father.

I am sorry but i am lost right now. You know that the conflict is that Maya is lesbian?

I think you take things way too seriously. Gay narrative and people being angry... I guess I missed a lot.

True, the conflict is about Maya's sexuality, but I still think that's stupid. This is a college full of liberal minded people not Saudi Arabia. I mean most of the girls in the story pretty much fuck with anything that moves so I don't really see who would actually judge Maya just for that. It's more like due to her upbringing she is the one making judgements about others calling the hots sluts (well she's not wrong) while still trying to join them and to be honest she is lowkey envious of them as they can be true to themselves.

It's a porn game and as a main LI there is no way she could "stay" lesbian. That's really a no brainer.

 

[The Pink Royce]

Well dont trust me. I know i am right, i know they were talking serious. You think there are not homophobics? or that they dont masturbate?
And for sure is not the first time that a story with a progressive agenda fails and is face against a huge backlash. We have seen it once and again and again lately. Everyone were happy when DPC was making fun of feminist and gays but once he starts to put gay narrative on the menu suddenly some people start to become angry? What a surprise.
Of all the girls in the story the lesbian feminist is the most hated? What a surprise.
Also is clear that the story has "failed" with Maya. That's evident. She is a porn character, her main goal is todirectly please the player. And yet she is the less like it? Politics felice. We reach a point in wich people is no longer able to enjoy porn if it cames with a very naive political messege.

Of course they lied. A justified lied in the context of the story, that's the point. You will not openly say that you are gay in Arabia Saudita for example. And noone can blame you if you want to keep being alive.
Man we should not being argueing this couse it was explicit on the end of episode 7.

Ok about Chad kissing of the gym, that was stupid. It is a classic stupidity from comedy narrative.
You are exagereting, she didnt kick her out of her live and by that point she didn't had any option. Thats the point, she lacks power. That's the main trait of a victim. She doesnt have options. Well yeah, she could loose her scolarship and see how everyone around her get a degree a while she clean floors for a minimum wage to pay a loan she couldnt even use. Or she could talk with her father and since we know that fanatics are reasonable people he would understand her. Honestely you cant blame her for lying to her father.

I am sorry but i am lost right now. You know that the conflict is that Maya is lesbian?

personally i hate Sarah . not only she's not as hot as she think she is she wants me to pay for sex ?
bitch you paying me ! think id have sex with Arieth before i had sex with sarah imo

 

[felicemastronzo]

Well dont trust me. I know i am right, i know they were talking serious. You think there are not homophobics? or that they dont masturbate?
And for sure is not the first time that a story with a progressive agenda fails and is face against a huge backlash. We have seen it once and again and again lately. Everyone were happy when DPC was making fun of feminist and gays but once he starts to put gay narrative on the menu suddenly some people start to become angry? What a surprise.
Of all the girls in the story the lesbian feminist is the most hated? What a surprise.
Also is clear that the story has "failed" with Maya. That's evident. She is a porn character, her main goal is todirectly please the player. And yet she is the less like it? Politics felice. We reach a point in wich people is no longer able to enjoy porn if it cames with a very naive political messege.

Of course they lied. A justified lied in the context of the story, that's the point. You will not openly say that you are gay in Arabia Saudita for example. And noone can blame you if you want to keep being alive.
Man we should not being argueing this couse it was explicit on the end of episode 7.

Ok about Chad kissing of the gym, that was stupid. It is a classic stupidity from comedy narrative.
You are exagereting, she didnt kick her out of her live and by that point she didn't had any option. Thats the point, she lacks power. That's the main trait of a victim. She doesnt have options. Well yeah, she could loose her scolarship and see how everyone around her get a degree a while she clean floors for a minimum wage to pay a loan she couldnt even use. Or she could talk with her father and since we know that fanatics are reasonable people he would understand her. Honestely you cant blame her for lying to her father.

I am sorry but i am lost right now. You know that the conflict is that Maya is lesbian?

I think you are wrong to read everything through the lens of Maya's homosexuality.

Maya is "hated" because she lied to MC even after he came out to her, and they weren't in saudi arabia but in their room. she used him to stay in Quinn's good graces. and in case the player was interested in Josy she became an insurmountable obstacle to having her soon after.

did she have her reasons for behaving this way? yes, but in the same way the rest of the world has reasons not to forgive her, forgiveness is never an obligation.

But these are not things that I say, these are things that Maya says when she asks him to give her another chance after she has wasted all the ones he has already given her, when she says that although he met her in her worst moment, he has remained close to her.

To think that she should be forgiven just because she is a lesbian seems to me as wrong as the opposite.

to say that she hunts Josy is exaggerated? ok, that she pushes her away for the umpteenth time is ok? that she blames her for going to the HOTs digging a ditch between the two?
Josy, who is also a lesbian like Maya, thinks that Maya has given up.

even this story that never has an alternative is not true, Maya runs into dead ends

she trusts her father after he prevented her from seeing her girlfriend and insulted her all her life for who she is. what did he have to do to prove himself untrustworthy? torture kittens in the living room dressed as a Nazi hierarch?

she doesn't like HOTs, she doesn't trust Quinn, but she thinks she's going to get a lot of money for going on a scavenger hunt....

she knows her dad has a key to her apartment and plays it cool for weeks....

just unlucky...

 

[Machete]

Oh, com'on! Chad being in a relationship with another man was painful evident from the very first episodes. Making excuses not to have sex with Sage, not caring the least of her, being mysterious about his other relationship, in a campus where everyone bang anything and cheat all the time. It was pretty obvious.

 

[Hermith]

personally i hate Sarah . not only she's not as hot as she think she is she wants me to pay for sex ?
bitch you paying me ! think id have sex with Arieth before i had sex with sarah imo

Exactly my thoughts. Sarah is not as hot as she think she is, also for some reason I never liked her or Mel.

 

[Machete]

think id have sex with Arieth before i had sex with sarah imo

Right! Why no sex with Arieth? There's some of that anti-crabs leftovers in the bathroom. She seems a fun fuck.

 

[Hermith]

Oh, com'on! Chad being in a relationship with another man was painful evident from the very first episodes. Making excuses not to have sex with Sage, not caring the least of her, being mysterious about his other relationship, in a campus where everyone bang anything and cheat all the time. It was pretty obvious.

I'm not sure about the painfully evident part. I for one thought that it has something to do with steroids and erectile dysfunction, he was just ashamed and that's why he tried to stay away from Sage.

 

[The Pink Royce]

Right! Why no sex with Arieth? There's some of that anti-crabs leftovers in the bathroom. She seems a fun fuck.

Well i took some vitamins from Dali and now i subscribed to theory that Arieth is MCs sister .

about there being any anti-crab leftovers ... yea im not so sure .

 

[Machete]

Maybe it was me, but the homosexual twist was the first thing that came to my mind when Sage introduced the suspected affair and Chad's distance for her.

 

[Machete]

Arieth as MC's secret sister? I should check this theory We should be carefull with those theories. If DrPinkCake is anything like the DM of my DnD party he might note down player's weirdest hipotesys and make them real later.

 

[Kukipett]

Hey everybody,

Is there any official information or clue from DPC that this game will not end like Acting Lesson?
Asking for a friend that don't want to cry (at least not in the PTSD style)

I guess your friend also asks you to buy condoms and viagra, this is a very common friend you know!!

 

[Machete]

IMHO it BaDIK is not going in such a dramatic direction as AL. Sure it's building up drama but i guess the worst we could expect is a part ways ending. Almost every LI in the story is older then MC and ready to leave college to start a life, while MC is at the beginning. The two girls with the same age could just end up opting to just be together.

A possible ending might be MC beginning a fresh second year and many key character just moving on with their lives.

I mean, how many people meet the partner of their lives when 18y old? Unlikely.