VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[Kellermann]

In a quick recapitulation, and more from memory than anything else; after the last lesson with the guitar, the events that lead to the infamous rebound boy are triggered... That is, Chad leaves Sage, Sage calls the MC and they talk in the rain, Sage puts some distance with the MC for obvious reasons, starts to prepare her dissertation, gets sick, asks the MC for help, recovers and the MC brings up the rebound guy... facepalm... That's when the MC distances himself from Sage. So I don't think it's weird or far-fetched that the lessons have been put on hold or ended altogether.

I changed my mind about MC. For walking out on Sage (and the rebound guy shit), he does deserve that slap from Tybalt. He also deserves a shove from Troy, a sucker punch from Chad, a kick in the balls from Josy (after Jill has properly blued them), and for good measure, a wedgie from Dawe. Get bent MC.
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Separate topic. Look at this glorious quote from a dev. Wonder if he had a certain other dev in mind when he wrote it.

"I make it a point to telegraph dangerous choices and keep you on the rails. Also, there's no mutually exclusive paths, so no need to hold off on any character out of fear of missing out with another. I really recommend you try it without walkthrough or walk through mod on your first play and trust that I won't try to fuck you over with surprise lockouts/endings."

Preach, soul brother

 

[Lightaces]

"I make it a point to telegraph dangerous choices and keep you on the rails. Also, there's no mutually exclusive paths, so no need to hold off on any character out of fear of missing out with another. I really recommend you try it without walkthrough or walk through mod on your first play and trust that I won't try to fuck you over with surprise lockouts/endings."

Yeah, I like that game. I sure hope the new episode drops soon.

 

[sorco2003]

Yeah, I like that game. I sure hope the new episode drops soon.

What game is it from?

 

[Lightaces]

What game is it from?

Midlife Crisis. Ignore the Gay and Rape tags. There is a single scene where you don't see anything, really, and which is easily avoidable.

 

[PashafromRussia]

Every single episode up to ep 5 prominently features a Sage/MC guitar lesson scene, then it just disappears from the story. For two episodes straight.

It is clear that the main character used guitar lessons only as a reason to fuck Sage. Have you never come to reinstall Windows in a women's dormitory? The guitar plays an important role in the relationship with Jill. I think the main character will perform with her at a solo concert in the future.

 

[dalli_x]

I don't think the term "DIK" has been defined well enough. The DIKs themselves are a mixed bag:

• Rusty seems like a genuinely nice guy who comes across like he puts on an act of confidence when he's talking to the ladies.
• Tommy is just a straight up unpleasant piece of works mostly only looking out for himself.
• Jacob is a smart, talented guy who's rather cautious to the point of almost being a pussy.
• Jamie is a sensitive guy who gets pushed around in relationships.
• Leon is a strange one, pressuring Jamie into the threesome with Arieth, getting all bent up outta shape when discussing his lapdance with Lily and Jamie. Not sure what his deal is.
• John Boy is another oddball, he has no concerns fucking his girl in public or sharing her with others, and yet his confidence is boosted when he finds out the mc wants to fuck Elena.
• Nick... That slimy double cross no good swindler! He even lies about fucking Arieth to try to be one of the gang. He's no DIK, he just rode in Vinny's coat tales.
• Vinny could very well be the only true DIK. He seemed likeable but crazy and up for any shit. Like when Nick was describing him, "They told us to do a keg stand; he did two. They told us to do the gay guard catcher; he did it without wearing a mask. Everything about him was just awesome." The rest of the DIKs pale in comparison to him.
• Derek (thanks openup212) is probably another good example of a DIK. Doesn't really care what others think of him, speaks his mind even if it results in being dragged by the ear into jade's office, and basically does whatever he wants.
• Fuckface isn't really a DIK, he's a nice guy who possible cheats a lot and could be rough around the edges.

The only thing they all have in common is they will fuck anything that moves (except Nick, he's a phony).

Seriously Dalli, all of that is what you took away from this photo? All the random, less important shit? The key to this family photo is how unhappy Maya looks and her distance from her father.

Shazba with that I agree and that's almost all true. But with your Fuckface you have to add one more thing. The player determines up to the FakeID option, as the basic setting of the MC becomes.

So that Maya looks unhappy I have not written in, because that is more than obvious. I agree with you about the thick clothing, it could also be fingerprints on the display of the phone or the photo. Good point. I don't know much about fashion in Sweden.

But Derek's hand is weird. I wouldn't grab my dad's ass. Patrick's herpes-infested lower lip is also visible.

 

[always86]

She didn't agree to a relationship. She wanted to fuck and told the main character what he wanted to hear. She was just using him.

LoL that’s one perspective. Perhaps relationship is to stronger word. She agrees to date. MC didn’t want to be ‘just’ fuck buddies anymore, she didn’t see the problem, he explains it to her, she agrees to try for something more. I don’t think she is ‘using’ him.

• John Boy is another oddball, he has no concerns fucking his girl in public or sharing her with others, and yet his confidence is boosted when he finds out the mc wants to fuck Elena.
• Nick... That slimy double cross no good swindler! He even lies about fucking Arieth to try to be one of the gang. He's no DIK, he just rode in Vinny's coat tales.

The only thing they all have in common is they will fuck anything that moves (except Nick, he's a phony).

John Boy is interesting he seems to lean more to the Chick side of things, except he’s and exhibitionist. Will be interesting if we get the Devil’s Triangle with him and Elena

Nick is also an interesting one, I’m not 100% sure he is a bad guy, it seems obvious, too obvious. We know Nick‘s in the Library after the laptop is found and his room doesn’t get trashed. But he also seems concerned about the others, getting back to the DiK lifestyle and also sharing out the ‘lame’ work. I wonder if truth be told he’s closer to the CHICK side of the spectrum and is being used as a red herring.

As it's a porn game and it seems a huge percentage of players (or maybe just a huge percentage of vocal players) don't seem to handle the fact that a girlfriend may have had a sexual relationship before them, Sage's immediate relationship with Chad has been hinted at as being sexless without overtly stating it.

That way, without saying she did or didn't, the anti-NTR crowd don't feel like they've been cucked by Chad (even if that makes no sense) and the rest of us can assume Chad probably did have sex with her, even if he was gay, because:

1. He may not have been 100% certain of his sexuality and he came to terms with it over time,
2. He may have had sex with her even if it wasn't his preference (a lot of gay men have married women and had families while denying or hiding their sexuality); or
3. He may be bi, in which case Troy being a guy doesn't mean anything, it just means Chad cheated on Sage with someone else.

But what we do know is it's clear he never really was in to Sage, so the question still hangs, why would Sage be head over heels for ~3 years for a guy who is obviously not into her?

I still don't think she cheated on him. When she first gets sexual with the mc she justifies it that Chad started it. Jade does the same thing.

I don’t think the ‘NTR‘ side of Things is an issue in this instance. Of All the female characters the only one who is ‘untouched’ is Jill. Bella has a husband, Maya has Josy, Josy had guys before MC, Sage had Chad and possibly others before. It’s certainly not implied she is a Virgin the first time the MC rails her.

I get if people don’t like cheating stuff, but I have no time for people who feel ‘cucked’ by ex/boyfriends, especially the ex/boyfriends of a fictional character. I know, I know, they self insert as the MC, but in that case if the MC doesn’t feel cucked by the ex why do they?

 

[felicemastronzo]

I don’t think the ‘NTR‘ side of Things is an issue in this instance. Of All the female characters the only one who is ‘untouched’ is Jill. Bella has a husband, Maya has Josy, Josy had guys before MC, Sage had Chad and possibly others before. It’s certainly not implied she is a Virgin the first time the MC rails her.

I get if people don’t like cheating stuff, but I have no time for people who feel ‘cucked’ by ex/boyfriends, especially the ex/boyfriends of a fictional character. I know, I know, they self insert as the MC, but in that case if the MC doesn’t feel cucked by the ex why do they?

but it's clear that apart from Maya and Jill there are no virgins in the story, but it can't be a coincidence that none of the girls MC has sex with, clearly has /had /will have a sexual relationship with someone else, without the need to see it of course, but not even to know it. and the fact that among the LI there is a girl engaged and a married one makes it even more obvious

and among these girls there are prostitutes!!!! but even for them it is not obvious that they have had sex with someone other than MC

the only two female characters that we know have had sex with someone other than MC are Arieth and Elena


in the end the pure souls of the patreons want this and DPC gives them this

 

[dalli_x]

I don't know, but this sure looks like a kiss to me, and is before recording Chad and Troy on the phone.


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Lightaces I have to thank you for the screenshot and your insight.

I will add some more screenshot's.

Look at the post from Lightaces again. He is right that Sage is actually cheating on Chad. Look at the color of the fingernails. RED. The DIK/CHICK scale has colored bars. What is RED? Massive DIK.

In the next screenshots, you can see what Josy thinks about cheating. Maybe this is a hidden hint from DPC when it's okay for the MC to have sex with other women?

 

[mindern]

No I think I got the continuity backwards on this one. The Party dance does come before the the spying on Chad thing. I was probably distracted by some asshole deleting all of my post.

Still I wonder if DPC got things backwards at that party. It's never been explained why Sage told Maya that the HOT's weren't going to the party, or why Sage got drunk that night, or why she wanted to dance with the MC in the first place. Storywise the party would make more sense after MC spied on Chad. And it seem's to be an anomaly given that none of the odd events have been addressed since.

Another thing that nobody's talked about is why did the guitar lesson's stop after ep 5?

What’s odd about it? She got drunk because she’s a student at a college party. She kissed the MC because she thinks he’s “fucking hot”… she did it in public because as we’ve established in Ep3 and Ep7 she is into public sex acts.

She was sexually frustrated, possibly feeling down because she was rejected by her boyfriend and looking for validation. She was straight up cheating on Chad, no need for evidence he was cheating too was needed.

The story has done a shit job with Sage and I’ve outlined it better before but Sages behaviour tracks better if you frame it as seeking validation. She repeatedly points out people don’t turn her down and if you do, by episode 7 she’s thirsty as fuck for the MC. She seeks out male attention and doesn’t handle rejection with any grace.

Sage is poorly written because she’s not leaning far enough into the “DIK” behaviour. But the inconsistencies aren’t her being sexually aggressive at a party, it’s her being so lovey dovey with someone she claims to have never looked at “that way”. Sage is supposed to be into “bad boys” and whatever else was established in Ep1-2 but in reality she’s just as CHICK as anyone else.

As for the guitar not being seen since Ep5… kinda tracks. She spent Ep6 sick and/or depressed. She spent Ep 7 avoiding the MC after their sparring chat and then the party happened. It isn’t insane they didn’t slot in a quick guitar lesson.

 

[seniorboop]

As it's a porn game and it seems a huge percentage of players (or maybe just a huge percentage of vocal players) don't seem to handle the fact that a girlfriend may have had a sexual relationship before them

Always found this extremely weird about the VN community. I've just assumed these guys are living vicariously through the MCs for some reason which is why they have an odd sense of ownership over these characters.

To speak nothing of the amount of times i've seen people in the community claim that any woman that enjoys sex is a slut. Very weird vibe.

 

[always86]

but it's clear that apart from Maya and Jill there are no virgins in the story, but it can't be a coincidence that none of the girls MC has sex with, clearly has /had /will have a sexual relationship with someone else, without the need to see it of course, but not even to know it. and the fact that among the LI there is a girl engaged and a married one makes it even more obvious

and among these girls there are prostitutes!!!! but even for them it is not obvious that they have had sex with someone other than MC

the only two female characters that we know have had sex with someone other than MC are Arieth and Elena


in the end the pure souls of the patreons want this and DPC gives them this

Yeah I’m sure Jade never fucked her husband, or Bella hers. We know Tommy is fucking Heather. Maya wasn’t a virgin in any sense that matters. Josy has been with guys before and is now with Maya. Sage is/ was with Chad. We know the ‘prostitutes’ are fucking or at least blowing anyone with a couple of shekels.

I accept that perhaps the reason we don’t see these things happening is the anti NTR brigade, but I don’t think the implication is that they aren’t happening just because we don’t see them. The story is about the MC and his relationships after all. I’m relatively certain that by the time all is said and done the MC will have been able to set up at least some of the LIs he doesn’t pursue. DPC did something similar in Acting Lessons

 

[DavDR]

Yeah I liked those guitar scenes, and not just the sexual aspect, they were fun interactions.

But guitar lessons were kinda inappropriate for episode 6. Sage was in a dark place and I doubt she would have wanted to. She was sick and had just been dumped. There were other priorities.

Episode 7 could have snuck a lesson in, but once again, there were other focuses.

Hopefully there will be further focus on the guitar later, like playing Jill's music for her and more lessons for Sage.


Dude, stop getting all hyperbolic. I mean that is like absolutely not what anyone is "admitting".

Sage is seriously drunk and comes on to the MC at the party, and he thinks to himself that he hasn't seen that side of her. She's looking for some attention and she's obviously attracted to the mc. The mc can then kiss her or not. Things escalate further and she's about to fuck him in front of everyone. She admits she's totally off her face, so she's probably not making the smartest decisions here...

Later in the first guitar scene where they are flirting like fuck, if he kisses her she asks what's he doing and he says they are continuing from where they left off at the party.

No issue with continuity there.

Yeah but that's the one and only mention. The Maya thing is just dropped completely. Yes, there were no Daughters at the party but it just seems odd that the whole thing was brought up in dialogue in the first place. Also where were the Daughters? Where was Quinn? And why wasn't Maya with them?

 

[felicemastronzo]

Yeah I’m sure Jade never fucked her husband, or Bella hers. We know Tommy is fucking Heather. Maya wasn’t a virgin in any sense that matters. Josy has been with guys before and is now with Maya. Sage is/ was with Chad. We know the ‘prostitutes’ are fucking or at least blowing anyone with a couple of shekels.

I accept that perhaps the reason we don’t see these things happening is the anti NTR brigade, but I don’t think the implication is that they aren’t happening just because we don’t see them. The story is about the MC and his relationships after all. I’m relatively certain that by the time all is said and done the MC will have been able to set up at least some of the LIs he doesn’t pursue. DPC did something similar in Acting Lessons

relationships between women don't count in the fantasy world of NTR and anti-NTR.

It's obvious that Riona, Melanie and Sara (and probably Quinn and Camilla) also have sex around in the BR for the restaurant, but if something isn't shown or told, it's as if it didn't happen.

in acting lesson it was the same thing, only one of the LI (who was already dating another character at the beginning of the story) could live another relationship and to make it possible it was necessary that MC gave his consent twice in two different moments of the game, I'd say that the loyalty of the LI was well defended also in that case

 

[tormented]

Anyone ever thought about the story that your father told you? about how he met your mother, how she was apart of some rich family and she ended up leaving her family behind because she wanted to be with him? in a way, I see Jill might be related to your mother. sister/cousin/niece of your mothers. and if you persue her she might follow in her footsteps

 

[dalli_x]

On the campuses there is probably another family member of Sage. In the screenshot of Sage is written not parents but family members.

And again a guitar is mentioned. Mmmhh. Where is another guitar. On the wall outside Tommy's room. When it comes to Josy, Tommy gets very uncomfortable. Mmmhh. Jacob warned the MC that he better get back in a room with Sage. No Tommy is not a family member of Sage, but he might have tried to get a little closer to Sage. Maybe with some guitar music?

But Rusty will have had something against it. Yes, that's the thing about brothers and sisters.

 

[RukiRG]

What’s odd about it? She got drunk because she’s a student at a college party. She kissed the MC because she thinks he’s “fucking hot”… she did it in public because as we’ve established in Ep3 and Ep7 she is into public sex acts.

She was sexually frustrated, possibly feeling down because she was rejected by her boyfriend and looking for validation. She was straight up cheating on Chad, no need for evidence he was cheating too was needed.

The story has done a shit job with Sage and I’ve outlined it better before but Sages behaviour tracks better if you frame it as seeking validation. She repeatedly points out people don’t turn her down and if you do, by episode 7 she’s thirsty as fuck for the MC. She seeks out male attention and doesn’t handle rejection with any grace.

Sage is poorly written because she’s not leaning far enough into the “DIK” behaviour. But the inconsistencies aren’t her being sexually aggressive at a party, it’s her being so lovey dovey with someone she claims to have never looked at “that way”. Sage is supposed to be into “bad boys” and whatever else was established in Ep1-2 but in reality she’s just as CHICK as anyone else.

As for the guitar not being seen since Ep5… kinda tracks. She spent Ep6 sick and/or depressed. She spent Ep 7 avoiding the MC after their sparring chat and then the party happened. It isn’t insane they didn’t slot in a quick guitar lesson.

Also... Sage starts to be interested in MC when our hero starts to defend her twice. First time in cafeteria when Sage have an argue with Chad and second where MC is bullied by the alphas. Probably that was the moment when Sage realised that nobody else did what MC did for her

 

[JETracktor]

Anyone ever thought about the story that your father told you? about how he met your mother, how she was apart of some rich family and she ended up leaving her family behind because she wanted to be with him? in a way, I see Jill might be related to your mother. sister/cousin/niece of your mothers. and if you persue her she might follow in her footsteps

I don't think Jill somehow related to MC but her story indeed feels bitter sweet. During first walkthrough got that vibes about similarity of her story with Lynette story.
Neil mentioned new owner of the hotel he works in now; If it's appears to be Jill's father I'm gonna lose it

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[PashafromRussia]

Prostitution is shit. I remember the moment at the beginning of the second season when Mona was forced to fuck with the vile Professor Burke. I think , the prostitution of girls will be the main theme of the game, and Burke will become the main antagonist. Even in the first season, he admitted that he fucked three students. It was obviously Sarah, Riona and Melanie.

 

[dalli_x]

I don't think Jill somehow related to MC but her story indeed feels bitter sweet. During first walkthrough got that vibes about similarity of her story with Lynette story.
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This makes things complicated, but not impossible.

There are so many possibilities as to who the new owner could be.

I prefer to think it's Lynette. Her father has finally passed away. Lynette takes over the hotel and renovates it. The MC tells Neil not to fall in love with the owner's daughter again. Neil brings all the stuff to the DIK's and in EP7 there's real money in the DIK's coffers again. Someone means it well with the MC.

If it should be the father of Jill, it could also indicate that Josy is a Royce and Mama Lana was forgiven. I know Jill lost a sister, but we don't know if she only had that one sister. This is not to say that Lynette is a sister to Jill.

But most realistically, it was probably bought by a Burgermeister. We see a young man without a helmet at the construction site. Neil also calls out to him to put on the helmet. He has red hair.