VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[Sorrow_Harvester]

The Circle is Now Complete . We are back to the " Updates takes too long, HE should hire peoples, He need to make the episode in 3-4 months" blah blah blah.

Just so you could Understand the level where DPC is in.
He's previous game Acting Lessons, had 8 Chapter, or episode. The Full game, take him more than a year to finish. 8 update. And the Full Game contained :

The complete game consists of >5000 renders, 217 animations, 61 songs and 30 sound effects.

The upcoming episode 8 of BaDik as of it right now as we know, being developed 6 month, according to DPC will contain :

4065 static renders
359 animations
24 pieces of 2D art
36 new songs
31 new sound eff

So, during Half a Year HE created 1 Episode, an Episode that is almost as Big as his whole first Game that he created for more than a Year . Name me an another Developer who is in this level . So May be Stop Bitching a little bit

I think all or those who criticize DPC should take a seat and think twice. I've played Acting Lessons and other games from other developers and all of them are far from this one. The quality of the story (very funny at times), the development of characters, quality of animations... It's worth for us to wait.

 

[Gunizz]

As much as i enjoy this game the period between updates is becoming ridiculous at this point, i think he should find a way to do this between 3-4 months...

I agree, I would get rid of animations because they take so much time to pose and render and add nothing to the story. I don't need a 4 seconds animation, I just use my imagination. BAD is good enough with all the other massive content DPC provides, I would have preferred more scenes (not necessarily lewd), more dialogues over all those short animations.
I personally prefer to see more dialogues with the HOTs, funny scenes, deeper characterizations. Even Rooster is more valuable to me than animations, there are some messages in that app that are simply hilarious (the ones with Quinn, Bella, Derek against Tybalt...).

 

[Roelandt]

Noted, but I don't think Quinn and Tommy were needling up with Vitamin B12 shots a few episodes back. I'm not sure why DPC chose to do that. It would make more sense if Quinn were not only hesitant to sell harder drugs, but to use them as well...given what happened to her mother.

Not sure how you arrived at that, Kellerman. There's a reason why elicit drugs are illegal and dangerous. It is difficult for a typical human to use them "responsibly." People who solicit narcotics on the thug level don't have much consideration for consequences. If they did, they wouldn't be involved with them. Quinn is a person with no moral compass and considers self discipline a weakness, attacking with mockery whenever she sees it in others. Of course she uses the drug she uses to control others with. She might have the wherewithal to manage to avoid becoming addicted, but give her time. If she stays out of prison (unlikely given her actions and environment), it's possible she might avoid becoming a junkie herself. Even Riona is overusing casual drugs and experiencing their consequences as noted in several scenes.

If Quinn's arc continues in the direction it's heading, before she can manage to graduate, Quinn will either be an inmate (most likely...she soliciting narcotics and prostitutes on the campus of a prestigious college and is sloppy has hell at it), a used up hustler with no prospects, or dead. The possibility of her becoming some college graduate crime-lord, which I imagine is what she expects, is so absurdly remote it's not funny because, lets be frank...like Quinn or not...she's not very good at it.

 

[Kellermann]

Not sure how you arrived at that, Kellerman. There's a reason why elicit drugs are illegal and dangerous. It is difficult for a typical human to use them "responsibly." People who solicit narcotics on the thug level don't have much consideration for consequences. If they did, they wouldn't be involved with them. Quinn is a person with no moral compass and considers self discipline a weakness, attacking with mockery whenever she sees it in others. Of course she uses the drug she uses to control others with. She might have the wherewithal to manage to avoid becoming addicted, but give her time. If she stays out of prison (unlikely given her actions and environment), it's possible she might avoid becoming a junkie herself. Even Riona is overusing casual drugs and experiencing their consequences as noted in several scenes.

If Quinn's arc continues in the direction it's heading, before she can manage to graduate, Quinn will either be an inmate (most likely...she soliciting narcotics and prostitutes on the campus of a prestigious college and is sloppy has hell at it), a used up hustler with no prospects, or dead. The possibility of her becoming some college graduate crime-lord, which I imagine is what she expects, is so absurdly remote it's not funny because, lets be frank...like Quinn or not...she's not very good at it.

Because DPC specifically pointed out via the scene with Buddy that Quinn has avoided the hard stuff in the past. That together with what happened to her mother makes it unusual that DPC would, out of the blue, insert a scene with Tommy and Quinn shooting heroin. Why is cocaine such an usual buy for Quinn when clearly she is obtaining the more potent and deadly heroin?

 

[Roelandt]

Are you really this retarded? Just in case you aren't joking: it's not a free game, you dumbass, wake up, you're on a pirate site. DPC is doing his game thanks to patron's money and his main concern is to please/milk them, not us. Hope that helps.

So maybe stop butthurting a bit, mr. funboy

Yeah, DPC's not hiring because why would he? There's no need, currently at least.

Um...no...it is a free game. Doc has posted this game on several formats. HE posted it here, not some pirate. Your pointless attack make you sound silly. Work at it. Between crafting insults you might want to look up the word "free" online. I don't think it means what you think it means.

Hope that helps with your Tourette's Syndrome.

(Where do we get these guys?)

 

[felicemastronzo]

Because DPC specifically pointed out via the scene with Buddy that Quinn has avoided the hard stuff in the past. That together with what happened to her mother makes it unusual that DPC would, out of the blue, insert a scene with Tommy and Quinn shooting heroin. Why is cocaine such an usual buy for Quinn when clearly she is obtaining the more potent and deadly heroin?

I agree with you, that scene (like the warning from the future with Bella) is a highly anomalous scene

showing syringes is a very strong image, but then it was forcibly downplayed (not addictive) and forgotten.

Now it seems to have been withdrawn with Tommy's not-so-clear-cut withdrawal.

 

[Adamix91]

tic tac tic tac waiting for update

 

[Kellermann]

I agree with you, that scene (like the warning from the future with Bella) is a highly anomalous scene

showing syringes is a very strong image, but then it was forcibly downplayed (not addictive) and forgotten.

Now it seems to have been withdrawn with Tommy's not-so-clear-cut withdrawal.

Yes, and I just don't buy the "casual heroin user" story. That shit is addictive as hell. Cocaine maybe, but with heroin, once you start it's a one way ticket to being a hopeless junkie...and then a dead junkie.

 

[thorin0815]

The Circle is Now Complete . We are back to the " Updates takes too long, HE should hire peoples, He need to make the episode in 3-4 months" blah blah blah.

Just so you could Understand the level where DPC is in.
He's previous game Acting Lessons, had 8 Chapter, or episode. The Full game, take him more than a year to finish. 8 update. And the Full Game contained :

The complete game consists of >5000 renders, 217 animations, 61 songs and 30 sound effects.

The upcoming episode 8 of BaDik as of it right now as we know, being developed 6 month, according to DPC will contain :

4065 static renders
359 animations
24 pieces of 2D art
36 new songs
31 new sound eff

So, during Half a Year HE created 1 Episode, an Episode that is almost as Big as his whole first Game that he created for more than a Year . Name me an another Developer who is in this level . So May be Stop Bitching a little bit

First of all, I don't have any problems with the development time per update. Even if he only released one update a year, it would be worth the wait for me.

Nevertheless, it is completely illogical to compare AL with BaDIK, as the hardware of DPC has also improved a lot due to the additional income. As a result, the time required per render has been greatly reduced compared to AL times.

 

[AchedCroissant]

192 (6 months, 09 days |≈27 weeks)

 

[jackofshadows]

Um...no...it is a free game. Doc has posted this game on several formats. HE posted it here, not some pirate. Your pointless attack make you sound silly. Work at it. Between crafting insults you might want to look up the word "free" online. I don't think it means what you think it means.

Right. Tell me then, why does he charge money for the steam version?

Yes, and I just don't buy the "casual heroin user" story. That shit is addictive as hell. Cocaine maybe, but with heroin, once you start it's a one way ticket to being a hopeless junkie...and then a dead junkie.

Not really. Heroin is just commonly associates with hopeless junkies which is understandable. But it's not really that more dangerous than many other drugs.

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Highly illegal - absolutely. That's the aspect which I hope will be examined in the game, yeah.

 

[Jim Webb]

Well with EP8 dropping in November; the likelihood next cycles are May/June and November/December; so 2 per years.
But ambition might extend this cycle and offset at some point. EP8 is exceptionally over 6 months of development.

• Today, Episode 8 have a 30 days delay compared to previous Episode 7 with +109 animations and +342 renders.
• In 2 days, Being a DIK will have 1000 days of development with 2 years, 8 months and 27 days. 24 000 hours.
  • 21 411 renders and 1 289 animations were made, 95 premium music added.

Episode	Renders	Animations	Music*	Size	Release Date	Development Time
Episode 1	1301	51		≈1.1 GB	07 Feb 2019	000 days
Episode 2	1709 (+31%)	77 (+51%)		≈2.3 GB (+1.2 GB)	04 May 2019	087 (2 months, 28 days |≈12 weeks)
Episode 3	2289 (+34%)	99 (+29%)		≈4.1 GB (+1.8 GB)	16 Aug 2019	105 (3 months, 13 days |≈15 weeks)
Episode 4	2532 (+11%)	134 (+35%)		≈6.1 GB (+2.0 GB)	10 Jan 2020	148 (4 months, 26 days |≈21 weeks)
Episode 5	2456 (-3%)	157 (+17%)	17 (3.4K$)	≈8.0 GB (+1.9 GB)	29 May 2020	141 (4 months, 20 days |≈20 weeks)
Episode 6	3336 (+35%)	162 (+3%)	24 (4.8K$)	≈11.1 GB (+3.1 GB)	13 Nov 2020	169 (5 months, 16 days |≈24 weeks)
Episode 7	3723 (+12%)	250 (+54%)	18 (3.6K$)	≈14.5 GB (+3.4 GB)	23 Apr 2021	162 (5 months, 11 days |≈23 weeks)
Episode 8	4065 (+9%)	359 (+44%)	36 (7.2K$)	>18.1 GB (+3.6 GB)	in development	192 (6 months, 09 days |≈27 weeks)

Complete Table with the help of Holy Bacchus† previous post. — Being a DIK in development since 2 years, 8 months, 25 days (33 months / 142 weeks / 998 days / 23 952 hours)
*199$ Premium Licensed Music

> Release Date Estimate:
Growing Scenario: Mid November 2021 (29 weeks) — Technical Difficulty Scenario: Late November 2021 (30 weeks)

Thumb up to well made Casiope DIK Walkthrough.

Hey Man can I hire you to do my taxes

 

[Kellermann]

Right. Tell me then, why does he charge money for the steam version?

Not really. Heroin is just commonly associates with hopeless junkies which is understandable. But it's not really that more dangerous than many other drugs.

You must be registered to see the links

Highly illegal - absolutely. That's the aspect which I hope will be examined in the game, yeah.

Better not test that theory.

 

[PashafromRussia]

Yes, and I just don't buy the "casual heroin user" story. That shit is addictive as hell. Cocaine maybe, but with heroin, once you start it's a one way ticket to being a hopeless junkie...and then a dead junkie.

For me, the scene at the beginning of episode 2 with Tommy and Quinn also seems meaningless. This scene made Quinn the main antagonist selling hard drugs on campus. But because of Quinn's popularity, he decided to slow down a little and made her only a sales manager for weed. We don't know if Tommy's done. He definitely looks like a shadow antagonist who can go off the rails at any moment. Maybe he's still on heroin until now.

 

[ename144]

We have different perspectives but that's what makes the discussion interesting so I appreciate the effort you take to explain your thought process

I think it's pretty fair to say that you and I agree on most material things about Quinn, i.e. the things she does, the obvious mistakes she makes and missteps she takes, but we have some key differences on our views of her motivations for those actions. The biggest disagreement I have with what you laid out so succinctly is Quinn's motivation for entering the drug business. Your view is that a younger Quinn, having grown up in the apparent abusive environment she did, at some point resolved to basically become queen bitch of shit mountain. I've seen this expressed a few times by a few different people, but I have to fundamentally disagree with that take. I think the game itself reveals that Quinn is not maneuvering herself to become a mover and shaker, or some kind of criminal mastermind, rather it seems to clear me that Quinn is trying to stay as far removed from that world as she can. That might seem like a ridiculous assertion, but let me provide evidence for this.

I would make a distinction between wanting to be a criminal mastermind and wanting to be the queen bitch of crime (locally, anyway). I think Quinn just wants to be able to call her own shots rather than having to march to someone else's drumbeat. Having power over others isn't the end goal; it's useful given how much Quinn likes fucking with people, but in the end I think the real goal is some twisted form of stability and security.

I've said before in the past that if Quinn was to have a real path, become an actual love interest, that the rain scene would be the very first scene on her path. It's an incredibly dense and interesting scene, and I've watched and analyzed it more than any other in the game, and for more time than I'd care to admit In case it's been a while since you've seen it, and for the benefit of those who are reading this and haven't, let me set the stage briefly. Quinn goes to meet an old associate of her dad's, Buddy, to make a money drop and order a resupply of the drugs she peddles. When she arrives to the meeting spot, the apartment-slash-drug den that she grew up in, she bumps into an addled junkie that is probably her mom but who doesn't recognize her, despite the makeup on her face mimicking the tattoo that was on her dad's face. The following conversation ensues between Quinn and Buddy:

Now, you tell me honestly after reading that conversation: does it sound like Quinn is making any kind of power play, does it sound like she's interested in crime or drugs at all? I'm going to unequivocally state that I don't think she does, I don't think Quinn wants any part of the drugs, and it appears to me that she's done everything she could to distance herself from them. But despite that, the circumstances of her upbringing, and her life, have led her into a bad situation that she is trying to handle the best that she can, which she admittedly does poorly but she's only human. There's some hidden, crucial context in this scene we're missing, which is the true reason that Quinn is involved with the drugs at all. It could be because, as Buddy says, because Quinn is a daddy's girl, or it could be some unseen debt or threat that's forcing her to deal, but regardless I think it's pretty clear that Quinn does not want to be a part of this business.

As I said, it's not a powerplay against Buddy, it's an insistence that she's in control of her own fiefdom and neither needs nor will accept any direct oversight. In that light, yes, I'd say it looks exactly like what Quinn is doing.

You are right, though, that the crucial puzzle piece is indeed missing: why can't Quinn just walk away from the mess as Riona seemed to suggest in Episode 3? We know they have some sort of "obligation," so it's possible Quinn really is trying to free herself from that world and just can't. But I find that unlikely given that Quinn explicitly insists on expanding her operation over Riona's strong objections.

Either way, Quinn's response to the situation is not to look for a way out of that world, it's to take control of the process and improve it to her own benefit. To me, that makes it clear that while Quinn may be misguided and out of her depth, she isn't some innocent caught up in a net. She is very much an active participant in the drug and/or prostitution scheme.

Quinn doesn't deal hard drugs. Buddy expresses surprise that she would even ask for some, and says "You?" as though Quinn has drawn this line in the sand with him in the past. Further, Quinn expresses absolutely no desire or ambition to sell as much volume as Vinny does, making bland excuses to Buddy about the crowd she sells to instead. Does this sound like someone who wants to be a criminal mastermind? Does this sound like someone who is interested in the business at all? I don't think it does.

As far as I can tell from this conversation, and from how Quinn deals usually, Quinn has absolutely no desire to be a mover and shaker, in fact she seems more than happy to "come and go without anyone noticing", as you put it. It's revealed in her conversation with Buddy that she could be dealing with harder drugs all this time, as evidenced by the fact that he added the coke to her drop easily, and that she's lagging behind Vinny who likely does deal harder stuff, but she doesn't appear to care. She's been against it in the past, effectively hamstringing her own earning potential. Why?

Because that's her line in the sand. Her principled stand. Because she's seen what that stuff does to people around her. Because Quinn isn't in this for money, glory, ego, pride, or ambition. She's not in this to hurt people or tear families apart like hers was. She's in this because she doesn't have a choice. We don't know why, but her back is up against the wall. What you attribute to narcissism, I attribute to desperation. Far from thinking she's in control, she knows she's spinning out of control. She's into something way too deep, because of the circumstances of her family, and she's afraid; so afraid that she'd even strike out at her closest friends if they think of screwing things up for her. She thinks she has a way out of it, a plan, but it's failing - she probably knows it's failing, which is why she's even considering selling the coke, but it's the only plan she has and she knows if she or Riona deviates from it, if she admits she's making mistakes and starts doubting herself or letting others doubt her, their heads will go under the water and they'll both drown. She'd do whatever she has to to stop that from happening.

Quinn doesn't deal with coke, specifically. Given that Rox clearly had some problems with it, I suspect there's a particular reason Quinn has avoided that one until now. So yes it is her line in the sand, but I think it's more of a personal fear than a moral stand. And incidentally, she still walked over that line as soon as the chips were down.

As for other hard drugs, they aren't directly addressed but we know Quinn was using and promoting whatever was in that syringe back in Episode 2. Yes, we're told the stuff is safe and non-addictive, but I'm never going to trust the word of the drug dealer on that sort of claim - especially when she's high!

And again I must reiterate that none of this excuses or justifies what Quinn has done or is doing. Just because she thinks she doesn't have a choice, which is what I'm arguing, does not mean that she couldn't be doing things differently or better. We all agree she could be, but again, she's only human.

So those are my views on Quinn's actions in light of that conversation. As you can see, we have very different start and end points on her character, but I think I can at the very least justify why I see things the way I do, as you have as well. It's up to everyone who reads Quinn's story to come to their own conclusion I think, and I'm eager to hear the different takes of this great character

I'm definitely looking forward to whatever Quinn has instore for us in Episode 8.

 

[ename144]

I wasn't assuming anything, I was talking about how Maya's problem is dealt with, a reconciliation with her father is not even mentioned.

Their problem is the loan, not Patrick, the distance with him is constantly increasing.
even Sage's intervention, if it's going to lead to anything, it will be about the loan.

then i still believe that the only way out for Maya is for Patrick to understand her, but what the characters do doesn't go in that direction

That's like saying people are only worried about the gun when someone starts shooting, not about helping the shooter overcome his/her underlying problems. The loan is a bomb that could go off at any minute; Patrick's homophobia is an ongoing process that will take time to fix, but won't automatically cause massive damage on it's own. Once the crisis is dealt with Maya will have a lot more room to maneuver when dealing with Patrick, to say nothing of being able to enjoy her time with Josy rather than panicking over it being discovered.

As I said, I think the game has made it clear that bringing Patrick around IS the end goal. We're just nowhere near the end yet.

Need our two data analysts ename & mpa to run the numbers on the likelihood of only 1 update in 2022

mpa71 already hit the base numbers. I don't think we have enough data to give much more of an analysis.

Assuming Episode 8 releases in November 19 (currently on the pessimistic end of my expected release window), that means it will have spent 210 days in development and there would only be 407 days left until December 31 2022. So going strictly by that number, it seems unlikely we'd get 2 episodes in 2022. If DPC hurries up a bit and releases on November 12, it would have taken only 203 days development and there would be 414 days left. So now we're just barely on schedule for Episode 10 to release in 2022. In other words, we're on the razor's edge.

Of course there are other factors. The overall trend has been episodes taking longer as the story goes on, and there will likely be some time lost to release all of season 2 on Steam. That suggests things may be worse than they initially appear. Then again, the overall trend can vary; Episode 5 was a week faster than Episode 4, even with the initial Steam launch factored in. It's also possible Episode 7 has had an unusual amount of ground to cover given the foreboding title of "Crossroads," to say nothing of our fervent hopes it will include the Halloween party. So maybe things are actually better than they appear?

Personally, I think the best way to think about it is that we're almost certainly only going to get 3 episodes over the next 2 years; exactly where those episodes will fall on the calendar is hard to predict, but the end result doesn't really change.

As much as i enjoy this game the period between updates is becoming ridiculous at this point, i think he should find a way to do this between 3-4 months...

I'd love a faster release schedule as much as anyone, but 3-4 months is just not a realistic time frame given the work needed to release an episode that advances all the various paths at once. The game has expanded too far for that, and I don't want Episodes cut down to only include content for a subset of paths. 5 months might be possible (at least for now), but that would depend on how much content DPC wants to add and I suspect he's too much of a perfectionist to trim things down that far.

 

[Roelandt]

Because DPC specifically pointed out via the scene with Buddy that Quinn has avoided the hard stuff in the past. That together with what happened to her mother makes it unusual that DPC would, out of the blue, insert a scene with Tommy and Quinn shooting heroin. Why is cocaine such an usual buy for Quinn when clearly she is obtaining the more potent and deadly heroin?

Good point, Kellerman. Cocaine has a much higher demand among the more potent drugs. It's not a mater of drug safety though. Saying Cocaine is less deadly than heroin is like saying being mauled by a Kodiak bear is less deadly than being hit by a train.

I remember that Buddy scene, Kellerman. It came out almost a year after the Tommy/Quinn drug scene. Your conclusion is logical, but may be based on mixing the order of the two scenes you mentioned. The Tommy/Quinn scene came first. Apparently in the later Buddy scene she was referring to "the past" because she clearly uses it now, or maybe she was just lying either to Buddy or herself as all drug users do...one of the many patterns of behavior that makes that world hazardous. Having personal experience with people from that world, both scenes, in either order, are perfectly in character. While it's noble to ascribe self-control in an atmosphere that has none, you may be assuming logic and reason in a world with neither. Those ideas are contrary to the very fabric of that ugly reality where even your own thoughts are suspect. Hopefully you will never have to experience it first hand.

It's as easy to get into as falling down a well, and just as hard to climb out.

 

[AchedCroissant]

Why is cocaine such an usual buy for Quinn when clearly she is obtaining the more potent and deadly heroin?

It would be necessary to know how much each drug costs because I have always read that cocaine is more expensive and that it is easier for a rich man to buy it than a poor man

 

[felicemastronzo]

That's like saying people are only worried about the gun when someone starts shooting, not about helping the shooter overcome his/her underlying problems. The loan is a bomb that could go off at any minute; Patrick's homophobia is an ongoing process that will take time to fix, but won't automatically cause massive damage on it's own. Once the crisis is dealt with Maya will have a lot more room to maneuver when dealing with Patrick, to say nothing of being able to enjoy her time with Josy rather than panicking over it being discovered.

As I said, I think the game has made it clear that bringing Patrick around IS the end goal. We're just nowhere near the end yet.

the example seems to me quite wrong... the loan, fortunately, didn't have any absolute urgency to be solved, in fact they're absolutely still far from having solved it, after relying on a meaningless plan they actually gave up and now they're waiting for Sage's divine providence to intervene.

but, realistically, how could Maya (with or without MC and Josy's help) ever solve the loan problem without dealing with Patrick? they have hopelessly dealt with a symptom not to deal with the problem, and in fact they find themselves exactly in the situation before college started.

I hope they eventually get there and solve it definitively and happily, but I don't have your certainty

 

[thorin0815]

It would be necessary to know how much each drug costs because I have always read that cocaine is more expensive and that it is easier for a rich man to buy it than a poor man

Just looked it up on the web. Average of $ 152 per gram of heroin and $ 112 per gram of cocaine in the US. Due to Covid and the higher demand, the prices will probably have increased a little.