VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[Hazeti]

That's not how it works or actually is in the game though...
I have ignored Jill basically from the very beginning, and I have barely seen her since like Episode 3, but her character is still present in the game: I have seen her family flashback like everybody even though I am not on her path, I have seen her humiliate Tybalt at the cafe, etc. Why should a character completely 'fade into the background' even if they are rejected by the MC? By your logic, a certain LI's or character's story is solely based around her or him either romancing the MC or having a good relationship with him. That's quite primitive as characters should normally have lives outside of the MC too, which is the case here.
Another example is the MJ threesome, yeah, we see each other occasionally in the classrooms or some general meetings where more people are involved, but otherwise, I almost don't see them in other settings because I have rejected them on my other save. Isn't that to be expected? LIs or characters are not tied to the MC and there's no reason for them to suddenly 'fade away' from the entire story because you didn't romance them...
There are many more examples like that, but the degree to which every one of those 'rejected by the MC' characters appear further on is dictated by the bigger story and its plots which are currently going on in the game, not the romantic subplots which every LI and a couple of other characters have

I am guessing you didn't see my earlier posts which is completely fine , otherwise you would have understood where i was coming from , my issue isn't with characters still being present in the story despite being rejected by the MC or vice versa but rather the lack of logical scenarios after those said cutting of ties take place , as an already stated example was that of M & J where despite them rejecting the players romantic advances because of the arbitrary affinity system they still had the courage to ask the MC for help in sorting out their mess in ep 5 which in all honesty makes no sense cause they had already placed their judgement on the character as someone not worth the time and yet they ask for help from that same person....? how does that make sense , also the whole friendship arc with the girls makes zero sense as they barely behave as actual friends and are merely present as plot devices

Sage behaves as a friend , Bella behaves as a friend , Derek and the boys ofc behave as friends but M & J they stand out like an eye sore in that route but hey that's just my perspective , you are free to your own POV

Oh Yes, I hate that whiney aspect from the MC.

Also, his 'poverty'. During the pool conversation DPC writes this weird sequence from MC where he's bitching about how cold and drafty his home was in winter. Then there are other scene's where MC tells Maya that he is embarrassed to admit that they didn't have a TV when he was a kid.

This is bullshit. In first world countries, at least in the USA, even the very poorest people living one step up from homelessness have central heating in their projeckt apartments and one or two big screen tv's. That's not to say that they aren't impoverished in relation to the very wealthy, but they are not living in a shack by the river either.

And Neil doesn't make poverty wages, he's a carpenter. Skilled blue collar jobs liked plumber, carpenter, electrician and etc. make very good wages. Sometimes higher than college graduates.

DPC was trying to evoke a emotional response from the player but it comes off as cheap cause i felt more for Maya's plight than i have for the MC and as for Neil , his bio did say that he has had some legal issues in the past and maybe that's the reason he is having such a hard time financially ?

Ughh, that scowl.

Anyway, the reason that I play and most importantly critique this game is because it's a very prominent game in this medium. Prominent work in any medium is emulated and influential. And I care about this medium and games in general. I want them to be good, therefore I can not let bad work stand unopposed.

I'm not willing to put up with BaDIK's, or Fallout 76's, or Last of Us pt2's. I will call them out for their flaws and demand better work from the developers. And I wish that all of you would too.

Exactly ! i enjoy this game for what it is and i also love some of the characters presented like Derek ( the inner child in me loves the guy ) but that doesn't mean one cannot criticise it harshly for it flaws

 

[Afapp]

I'm trying to find the title and the artist for the second song in Maya's scene in the classroom in Ep8. It starts out with a bunch of Lalala's and the chorus is run away with me. The first song is Finally Arrived by Tangerine.
Can any one help?

 

[Tadpol]

Anyway, the reason that I play and most importantly critique this game is because it's a very prominent game in this medium. Prominent work in any medium is emulated and influential. And I care about this medium and games in general. I want them to be good, therefore I can not let bad work stand unopposed.

Thanks to OFT for asking the question, and thanks to you for the answer.

 

[PashafromRussia]

My favorite track from episode 8.

 

[DavDR]

DPC was trying to evoke a emotional response from the player but it comes off as cheap cause i felt more for Maya's plight than i have for the MC and as for Neil , his bio did say that he has had some legal issues in the past and maybe that's the reason he is having such a hard time financially ?

I did notice that note in the bio but I've never been able to determine if it's something that DPC put there from the beginning or if it's one of those things that appear in the game to try to answer criticism, like the awful and hilarious dialogue from Maya in ep7 where she says that she is the one who co-signed the student loan.

Even if it's original canon I doubt that Neil would be so indebted that he and MC would be one misstep away from living under the freeway.

 

[PashafromRussia]

I'm trying to find the title and the artist for the second song in Maya's scene in the classroom in Ep8. It starts out with a bunch of Lalala's and the chorus is run away with me. The first song is Finally Arrived by Tangerine.
Can any one help?

 

[dalli_x]

Ughh, that scowl.

Anyway, the reason that I play and most importantly critique this game is because it's a very prominent game in this medium. Prominent work in any medium is emulated and influential. And I care about this medium and games in general. I want them to be good, therefore I can not let bad work stand unopposed.

I'm not willing to put up with BaDIK's, or Fallout 76's, or Last of Us pt2's. I will call them out for their flaws and demand better work from the developers. And I wish that all of you would too.

Exactly ! i enjoy this game for what it is and i also love some of the characters presented like Derek ( the inner child in me loves the guy ) but that doesn't mean one cannot criticise it harshly for it flaws

There are two sides to criticism.

There is the negative criticism, which becomes very tiresome after a while, to say the least. It's not pleasant to read and doesn't really do any good because it doesn't offer a solution. It's very off-putting for the person being criticized.

The other side is positive criticism. This is usually creative and offers solutions. With it the Krittisierte can begin something, in which he can be inzpiriert by it. Such contributions are also read with pleasure.

 

[Deleted member 1949107]

Completely agree with you on this , this problem has existed since the ending of ep 4 , for example if the MC tries for something more with M & J and they reject him than ofc many players would feel dejected and would want to avoid those characters especially the ones who have been trying to pursue them since the beginning of the game and they pretty much gave him the middle finger just for having the affinity scale slightly toward DIK despite doing everything correctly with them up until that point , i even tested this while scoring full relationship points with the girls and then doing some DIK actions before the whole library scene at the end of ep 4 , nope they will still reject you if it goes towards DIK no matter what you do before that point lol

The game's writing and story has this very awkward ass sense of logic and come ep 5 the girls pretty much ask the player to come and support them AGAIN despite what happened in the previous ep , it was at this moment i knew that yeah DPC botched yet again

Now the same thing is repeating with Jill's story arc which just like M & J has a very petty reason for the character getting rejected , missing out on her surprise date just because you the player wanted to do the right thing and take care of a sick friend , even by simply adding that dialogue during that conversation would make things so much more natural and would actually fit with Jill's character theme of being a helping person , wouldn't it have been cool if she actually volunteered to go with the MC to see Sage and maybe actually had gotten to know one another like you know how natural writing does with scenarios like this

The only rejection that made complete sense so far has been Bella and Quinn to a certain extent as she distrusts an MC close to M & J given their character interaction

Oh btw Bella wishes the MC a happy birthday despite not being on her path whereas the others just vanish , yeah they are real good friends lol

Bella is love, Bella is life

 

[OFT]

Ughh, that scowl.

Anyway, the reason that I play and most importantly critique this game is because it's a very prominent game in this medium. Prominent work in any medium is emulated and influential. And I care about this medium and games in general. I want them to be good, therefore I can not let bad work stand unopposed.

I'm not willing to put up with BaDIK's, or Fallout 76's, or Last of Us pt2's. I will call them out for their flaws and demand better work from the developers. And I wish that all of you would too.

Thanks for that. It was actually one of the most fair points I've heard you make. And you're right that a person should speak out against unjustified accolades as they see them.

I think you're aiming at the wrong target audience, though. If someone played the game and enjoyed it, you will change no one's mind after the fact. The most you can hope for is to tarnish a very small part of the shine, yet it will make a minimal impact on their overall perception of the game.

 

[Hazeti]

I did notice that note in the bio but I've never been able to determine if it's something that DPC put there from the beginning or if it's one of those things that appear in the game to try to answer criticism, like the awful and hilarious dialogue from Maya in ep7 where she says that she is the one who co-signed the student loan.

Even if it's original canon I doubt that Neil would be so indebted that he and MC would be one misstep away from living under the freeway.

I remember seeing that in the old bio as far as ep 2 back in mid 2019 and i think that Neil's current predicament might have something to do with the MC's grandfather , Lynette obviously came from an influential family and i think it's pretty clear her parents blame Neil for what happened to their daughter so maybe they did some kind of litigation to bury him in financial debt

There are two sides to criticism.

There is the negative criticism, which becomes very tiresome after a while, to say the least. It's not pleasant to read and doesn't really do any good because it doesn't offer a solution. It's very off-putting for the person being criticized.

The other side is positive criticism. This is usually creative and offers solutions. With it the Krittisierte can begin something, in which he can be inzpiriert by it. Such contributions are also read with pleasure.

Yeah the issue is DPC doesn't take criticism be it positive or negative

She did a review for the game saying it isn't to her liking despite giving it her personal GOTY for 2020 and yet DPC still blocked her the guy and the hardcore fanbase for BaDik is so thin skinned lol

 

[DavDR]

Thanks for that. It was actually one of the most fair points I've heard you make. And you're right that a person should speak out against unjustified accolades as they see them.

I think you're aiming at the wrong target audience, though. If someone played the game and enjoyed it, you will change no one's mind after the fact. The most you can hope for is to tarnish a very small part of the shine, yet it will make a minimal impact on their overall perception of the game.

I'm just pointing out the truth. People can do with it whatever they like.

 

[DavDR]

I remember seeing that in the old bio as far as ep 2 back in mid 2019 and i think that Neil's current predicament might have something to do with the MC's grandfather , Lynette obviously came from an influential family and i think it's pretty clear her parents blame Neil for what happened to their daughter so maybe they did some kind of litigation to bury him in financial debt



Yeah the issue is DPC doesn't take criticism be it positive or negative

She did a review for the game saying it isn't to her liking despite giving it her personal GOTY for 2020 and yet DPC still blocked her the guy and the hardcore fanbase for BaDik is so thin skinned lol

Unlike DPC's super fan's I can't do asslicking. There are things in the game that I like, and I have said so in the past on these forums. If anyone thinks my criticism is wrong or unfair they are welcome to ignore me. Some people can't do that though and just can't tolerate criticism of their precious. But even that can be turned into a positive thing, like bragging over the most facepalms with Arigon and Shazba.

 

[TajaRrR]

Anyone knows the song title when we deflower Jill?

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[Afapp]

Thanks for trying but it is not either of those. I guess it would be the third song.

 

[Hazeti]

Unlike DPC's super fan's I can't do asslicking. There are things in the game that I like, and I have said so in the past on these forums. If anyone thinks my criticism is wrong or unfair they are welcome to ignore me. Some people can't do that though and just can't tolerate criticism of their precious. But even that can be turned into a positive thing, like bragging over the most facepalms with Arigon and Shazba.

I am firmly in the camp where i believe that criticism is absolutely necessary for improvement , if you surround yourself with yes-man on a constant basis you will never improve and in the long run you will suffer for it , this industry is growing at a rapid rate and if DPC doesn't change some of the ways he presents his work he will get dethroned

Take note that people will always react to you not liking something that they like , that reflects the insecurity many people feel with their own choices

 

[TajaRrR]

Thanks for trying but it is not either of those. I guess it would be the third song.

Try here, I found here few songs that aren't on Tremolo yt.

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[Jafijafi]

Go to one of the rooms where 2 guys are smoking weed, on the ground will be condom.

loool, thanks!

 

[dalli_x]

She did a review for the game saying it isn't to her liking despite giving it her personal GOTY for 2020 and yet DPC still blocked her the guy and the hardcore fanbase for BaDik is so thin skinned lol

This is not quite correct.

Q&A Session - February 2021
What parts of the game are you willing to be flexible on due to feedback? How much does a fan reaction affect your writing and story?

I always read and consider any feedback related to gameplay, quality of life improvements, bug reports, and typos. Many significant improvements are a direct result of community feedback.

Fan response, however, doesn’t affect the story.

 

[JETracktor]

My favorite track from episode 8.

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This one rocks too

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[felicemastronzo]

This is not quite correct.

Q&A Session - February 2021
What parts of the game are you willing to be flexible on due to feedback? How much does a fan reaction affect your writing and story?

I always read and consider any feedback related to gameplay, quality of life improvements, bug reports, and typos. Many significant improvements are a direct result of community feedback.

Fan response, however, doesn’t affect the story.

what would that prove? could he ever say anything different?