VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

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No that doesn't make sense either.

I'll go from how it is in the US because that's what I'm most familiar with, banking laws are similar enough in most countries that we can speak broadly here based on US law.

First of all the Loan. Given the facts that are laid out in game dialogue, although even this is a muddled given the way DPC wrote it. At the end of Ep6 Maya says that her Father co-signed her student loan and is now holding the money back to keep her from being with Josy. This is FALSE, in most student loans the money is sent directly from the bank to the College. Even in cases where the person who took the loan out receives the money, that money would go to Maya not her Father. So this is also FALSE.
Then to complicate things further in Ep7 DPC has Maya tell us that it was her Father who took out the loan and that she was the co-signer. This is FALSE. No loan officer is going to let a penniless teenager co-sign for a loan. Why am I so sure of this? Because the bank doesn't want to be shut down by the government and the loan officer doesn't want to go to jail, and that's exactly what would happen if a government regulator ever saw that loan application.

Next the Money. While applying for a loan the question will be asked what is the purpose of this loan? It could be for many things, to buy a house or car. To start a business. Or to pay for education. This is the Law, it's part of a series of laws to prevent money laundering, the bank will require proof that the money has been used for it's intended purpose.
And this is the point where everything falls apart. If Patrick does not let Maya use the money to pay for college then the bank is going to come and take it back.

This also addresses the idea that Patrick borrowed money from someone other than a bank. Lending is licensed in most of the world, in fact any money passing through international banks or lending institutions requires documentation similar to that I outlined above on the purpose of the money. This is also a part of laws to prevent money laundering.

So there is no way in any modern world scenario that Patrick could use money to force Maya to not date Josy.
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You're still making wild assumptions. Laws surrounding money lending are not half as stringent as you think. You've just written a shit load about banks and whatever... loan officers. They're not the only people on earth lending out money. Yeah, organised money lending from formal institutions have guidelines but at the other end of the spectrum two people can verbally agree a loan and it's legally binding. Money laundering laws don't apply to everything in the universe.

This isn't a plot hole. You're making it a plot hole by assuming the nature of the loan from perhaps two lines of dialogue. All this about banks, loan officers... "student loans"... this is all an assumption about the nature of the loan. It's a shit storyline but deep diving into criticisms of it born from assumption wastes everyone's time.

The laws in this fictional country are not known to us. Even if we start making assumptions based on reality there are ways around these things. For all we know she got a fucking tribal loan from some native American reservation (entirely bypassing alllllll you just wrote by operating in the grey areas of the law in a similar vein to their casinos).

No bank would operate like this, no formal student loan would... for the record I believe this is just DPC coming up with a contrived story element and he didn't think it through but despite that my point was there are other ways to borrow money and no matter how unlikely they are everyone needs to just accept it for what it is rather than deep diving into the law and consulting with their sister lawyers, usury uncles or fucking fiduciary fiancees to get a "professional" opinion on the legality of loans in a damn titty game.
 
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What is the point of the 0.8.2 patch on the first page? If i'm installing for the first time (no existing save), do I need to bother with that patch?
 
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mindern said:
The laws in this fictional country are not known to us.
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Yes they are. We assume laws are like in any developed country. I'm sure we all think rape and burglary is illegal and punished in BaDIK, for example. There may be small differences, an american will see some things different from an european so sometimes context is needed.

In a realistic setting like BaDIK you need extra context when something extraordinary happens (like a flying unicorn), you have to explain it right to get suspension of disbelief, otherwise you'll think "no way".

The problem with the loan it's that is badly explained because using a loan to blackmail Maya is a little bit convoluted, most people don't know/don't understand how to do that/don't know if it's possible.

I can accept the loan as an effective blackmail device but that doesn't mean you have to dismiss lawyers and professional help, because BaDik is a realistic world. That may very well be a solution, we don't know what is going to happen.
 
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How is BaDIK in a fictional country? We know Zoey took a train to San Diego and one of the Swyper girls is from New York?

I'm beginning to think a vast majority of you people only look at the pictures. Which makes it even harder to explain how you end up Maya fans.
 
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kyrlian said:
Yes they are. We assume laws are like in any developed country. I'm sure we all think rape and burglary is illegal and punished in BaDIK, for example. There may be small differences, an american will see some things different from an european so sometimes context is needed.

In a realistic setting like BaDIK you need extra context when something extraordinary happens (like a flying unicorn), you have to explain it right to get suspension of disbelief, otherwise you'll think "no way".

The problem with the loan it's that is badly explained because using a loan to blackmail Maya is a little bit convoluted, most people don't know/don't understand how to do that/don't know if it's possible.

I can accept the loan as an effective blackmail device but that doesn't mean you have to dismiss lawyers and professional help, because BaDik is a realistic world. That may very well be a solution, we don't know what is going to happen.
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There is not two kinds of narratives for wich one has unicorns and the other is a copy of reality. There are hundreds of different tipes of narratives. Take the simpsons, sometimes goes fantastic, true, but most of time they don't. Yet the main premise of the show goes around the security supervisor of a nuclear plant that don't know his job. That thing is not realistic, yet it works anyway. With Badik the same happens.
You want it explain at first?
Ok, here you go:
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In real life Dawe will be bye bye by episode 1. This is not how the world works. And every resemblence of realism has been sacrifices from the start in exchange of... one joke.
 
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dalli_x said:
Q&A Session - February 2021
Do you have an idea where in the world B&R is located and where characters lived before attending college?

The location is fictional, even though you can see license plates and signs from the east and west coast. As far as I can recall, I've only mentioned San Diego and New York in the game for Zoey (MCs old girlfriend) and Catrin (Swyper), but I have no intention of placing B&R on an actual map. Some gaps are best left to be filled by the player’s imagination.
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You quote a line from DPC with the exact same thing I said to counter my point? Or agree with me?

A fictional city in the country of the United States of America is not a fictional country.
 
WhiteWolf34Uk

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Nope :p

Check the OP ( page 1 ) for links if you meant Chapter 8... if you want the new one ( Interlude - Chapter 9 ) you are gonna have to wait a couple of months !
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i already finish, complete chapter 8.... i will play this 8.2 and of course to wait chapter 9. thanks and merry christmas
 
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Fuck dude, I think I just fell in love with a virtual char. Why can't be there girls like Jill, that's so fucked up. And the worst part is, I'm not even one of these discords stans. (besides being on f95zone the irony is real) Am I the only one, cause damn this shit is messing with me... Looking forward to ya'll replys
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And the girls be like "why there can be guys like MC?" If you want someone like Jill you better look the part.
 
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godkingxerxes said:
How is BaDIK in a fictional country? We know Zoey took a train to San Diego and one of the Swyper girls is from New York?

I'm beginning to think a vast majority of you people only look at the pictures. Which makes it even harder to explain how you end up Maya fans.
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More like fictional reality in a known setting.

Heycock said:
There is not two kinds of narratives for wich one has unicorns and the other is a copy of reality. There are hundreds of different tipes of narratives. Take the simpsons, sometimes goes fantastic, true, but most of time they don't. Yet the main premise of the show goes around the security supervisor of a nuclear plant that don't know his job. That thing is not realistic, yet it works anyway. With Badik the same happens.
You want it explain at first?
Ok, here you go:
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In real life Dawe will be bye bye by episode 1. This is not how the world works. And every resemblence of realism has been sacrifices from the start in exchange of... one joke.
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Yeah I didn't say there are two kinds of narratives or two hundred. I said its a realistic setting with real world rules so you can apply real world rules and morality and of course BaDik world will have similar laws.

That thing with Cathy is not that unrealistic, I've seen worse in High School. One guy got expelled for beating a teacher, another time the car of another teacher appeared upside down. We all have seen crazy things.

Of course things are a little more extreme with sex and violence because the game follows the tone of college movies and porn games, we're familiar with that kind of movies and games so we apply that context too and we don't find it weird when we get a handjob at the start, we're expecting lots of sex in a porn game. That doesn't mean we can break the rules at will to win an argument on the internet and assume their rules are different when needed.

That said, to me the first chapters are a little bit more crazy, then the game finds the perfect balance.
 
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Evening folks, WOO-HOOO it's my first time checking this out awesome forum from a close friend and it's also my first time experience with particular this game in a non-sexual trend that I've myself enjoyed very much arousal with dialogue and relationship affection and humor (Yes, looking at you derek :D). I find very interesting peak activity on this thread.

I'd like to ask, and probably it might have been asked same here over many times not going to deny but whatever my search term didn't get same result or I'm doing it wrong, anyhow. Is there any difference between the full retail version and official build? Both GOG/Steam has first season, along with second one that will be released on January 6. The retail has like approximately over 20 GB while official 6-7GB. I also assume that retail version has all 2 season combined and already finished production to release? like should I'd rather play second season now rather than wait for the official release for 2 weeks? If so, Am I going to be feeling guilt trip bad for not paying developers on this? Cause the regional price where I live is quite expensive which I don't typical do over AAA games. Cheers.
 
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Tk_719 said:
Fuck dude, I think I just fell in love with a virtual char. Why can't be there girls like Jill, that's so fucked up. And the worst part is, I'm not even one of these discords stans. (besides being on f95zone the irony is real) Am I the only one, cause damn this shit is messing with me... Looking forward to ya'll replys
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She's the best. It's hard to picture a long-term relationship with any of the others. But Jill, we're already hanging out just to enjoy each other's company.
 
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As feedback on the game, the art is really cool and nice, plot story is somewhat subjective but fine for me. Some additional transition could be better for smooth experience to closure, also more audio elements to hear out or voice if so but since this is visual novel, it's understandable. Fun how my ears got numbed from playing this game in silence haha. I'd be tempted to recommend this to a great studio to fund the project.
 
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