VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[felicemastronzo]

My impression of the scene was that DPC was weighing up the balance of social responsibility. If Sage was just a friend then I think that weighing that balance is something to consider, but if MC is pursuing a relationship with Sage then there is no question.

Part of the problem is as usual the writing. I think DPC does a bad job of portraying the difference in choice of actions and dialogue between MC the acquaintance, MC the friend, or MC the lover of the various LI's.

in the case of Sage i don't really agree

even if MC is not in a relationship with her the story tells us that she is really his friend anyway, so I don't see a big difference between the two situations

the player can be indifferent to Sage but not MC, and unlike other situations this friendship is well rendered in the game, it is believable

 

[Darkwen]

I just found a good hint that the dreams of the MC might not just be dreams. See and read for yourself.
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Whats with the MC and girls fucking him while he sleeps happy new year

 

[Kellermann]

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defines video games that required an investment of tens of millions of dollars in budget (when it's not hundreds of millions of dollars) and a number of developers that reaches three digits. Being A DIK does not achieved such a production scale and it's rather an ambitious amateur game; Dr PinkCake demonstrates a certain expertise in the staging, the dialogues and the code. The distribution of this visual novel via Steam and gog.com also reflects a move to embrace a wider audience, beyond Patreon fans. But, even if he dedicates himself full time, his skills are limited compared to professional studios.

In my opinion, the majority of adult games are mediocre, and the few that do manage to succeed are too quickly glorified. Being a DIK, while deserving its popularity, is still a small project regarding indie games, some of which are released after 5-6 years of development with 3D environment, original music, dubbed sequences, sometimes already translated. This makes me put Dr PinkCake's work into perspective even though I appreciate playing his games.

I'm saying that's what he aspires to and dreams of (perhaps prematurely)...he wants to break out of this meager little Ren'py visual novel box and develop his own mainstream games with all the flashiness that comes with it.

 

[DavDR]

what the MC is doing is, first, mentally preparing Sage for an enormous bomb that he's about to drop. We all know Sage has a few anger issues and isn't the most mentally stable person on campus

OK this! Does Sage have a temper? Yes, so do many people. Does it mean that she's a dangerous sociopath? NO!

Also I'm sure the character of Sage, or anybody else for that matter, wouldn't like to be treated like a five year old. If you don't trust someone you don't love them, you're just kidding yourself.

 

[dalli_x]

Whats with the MC and girls fucking him while he sleeps happy new year

I already have my ideas and theories there that I have published before. There comes another theory inspired by EP8.

MC's last wet dream from EP2 was at his house. What if Zoey was visiting at home. She sneaks into MC's bed. Only the MC didn't cum in Zoey's ass while she was sleeping, but in her pussy. Maybe that's why Neil is so happy when Zoey visits. Neil becomes a grandfather.

 

[DavDR]

"- Sage: It´s a failure to me. Being abandoned like that... I think that´s what´s embarrassing."

She no longer has those feelings. It´s hurt pride, not love.

It's very subjective. In my experience feelings don't just go away in a snap.

My ex-wife and I did just about everything we could to legally murder one another in court during our divorce, but when my Father passed away recently she was the first to call. Feelings for another person don't just go away, no matter how much anger and pain there is.

Like I said it's very subjective, and I can't prove it one way or the other, but I think Sage does still feel for Chad. When Sage confronted him after MC tells her about Troy, it was disappointment and resignation that she expressed. He failed to do the right thing and she clearly saw it.

 

[Casiope]

I'm saying that's what he aspires to and dreams of (perhaps prematurely)...he wants to break out of this meager little Ren'py visual novel box and develop his own mainstream games with all the flashiness that comes with it.

Doki Doki Literature Club! is a game created on Ren'Py which is completely out of the box, not hesitating to break the fourth wall or delete files. I'm not a specialist of this engine, but I wanted to illustrate the fact that there is the tool and what we do with it.

I would find it brilliant for my part, that Jill's jealousy pushes her to delete all the game saves about other love interests, in the manner of the game mentioned above.

 

[DavDR]

in the case of Sage i don't really agree

even if MC is not in a relationship with her the story tells us that she is really his friend anyway, so I don't see a big difference between the two situations

the player can be indifferent to Sage but not MC, and unlike other situations this friendship is well rendered in the game, it is believable

My point has always been that these friendships of the MC's feel tacked onto the story. Just like the thing with Maya and Josy. A flat statement that this is the MC's friend means nothing to the player if the the dev doesn't make the player feel it.

When Fallout 4 came out one of the biggest criticisms was that the story didn't make the player feel for the lost spouse and baby, and it's one of the main flaws in that game. This is also true of BaDIK.

 

[kyrlian]

Again: why Tremolo should care about Chad instead of caring about Sage? That´s my original point

Because Tremolo has clearly more empathy than you have. Its not that easy being openly homosexual, yeah some people do it but it comes at a price. Many people will treat them badly for their sexual orientation and yes that's reality. And I'm as opposite to a SJW as you can be, so no pc bullshit on my side.

I'm not denying this 'secret' can get really bad and damaging for Sage but things are complex and societal pressure to remain closeted is very high even in today's world. The downplaying of the consequences if you tell her was the worst part for me, I have a friend who one day discovered her husband had a boyfriend and it completely destroyed her.

So, this is a very difficult choice. You may hurt Chad and Troy, and you don't know what is best for Sage. Sarah and Mel also talk about this.

And is way more hard being gay when you are one of the Alphas. This is clearly shown with Dawe calling Tremolo 'gay' just for showing a little tenderness with his father. What do you think a guy like that will say to Chad?

Cheers and Happy New Year

 

[Afapp]

Becky is stupid. We learned that from Derek.

I would love to see a stupidity tier list. Becky certainly is high, but not #1.

 

[Pendrell]

My point has always been that these friendships of the MC's feel tacked onto the story. Just like the thing with Maya and Josy. A flat statement that this is the MC's friend means nothing to the player if the the dev doesn't make the player feel it.

When Fallout 4 came out one of the biggest criticisms was that the story didn't make the player feel for the lost spouse and baby, and it's one of the main flaws in that game. This is also true of BaDIK.

I agree that at times the Main Girl friendships feel tacked on. One of the things some people point out when distinguishing between MGs and SGs is that MGs are always friends with MC throughout the core story no matter what, whereas an SG relationship has to be "activated" by pursuing the girl in question, who will largely ignore him otherwise. This is of course technically true, it's a key part of the way the game is structured, but I don't think it helps with the realism of the MG relationships.

It leads at times to these weird incongruous moments on some playthroughs where even if you've basically ignored a girl or had very few interactions with her, the story will thrust you into a scene where you're chatting like old friends. The moment in episode 8 where MC goes to get his hair cut from Bella is a good example of this. Why would an MC who has been doing a manwhore side girl run and not pursuing Bella at all go to get his hair cut from Bella? It makes no sense at all, except that the story needs to keep her involved in the MC's life for events down the road.

For me it's a strength of the SG relationships that they respond more dynamically to a player's interest. I like the fact that most of Quinn's content is unlocked only if you're pursuing her. For a character like that it would make no sense to force her into the life of a CHICK MC, and I wouldn't want DPC to try.

 

[TajaRrR]

I would love to see a stupidity tier list. Becky certainly is high, but not #1.

What about Aerith?
You think she would be good candidate for the stupidity crown?

 

[godkingxerxes]

free tuition exists, it's just that it's not free at all, it's a benefit for those who work in catering... Mona got it, so it's real. It's not a mystery.

but I don't really understand what is the relevance that Becky heard about it.

Even weirder how Becky who's not a HOT knows the secret codes but Maya who is a HOT, doesn't know them.

The theories that come up here, some ridiculous shit.

 

[godkingxerxes]

You clearly haven´t read the dialogues. Tremolo doesn´t say to Sage "I´m worried about you". He says to her "I´m worried about your reaction" and "I´m worried about feeling myself like shit". Again:
"- Sage: What the fuck are you worried about?
- Tremolo: Like I said before, I´m worried about your reaction. It´s a huge thing I´m about to tell you. If you don´t react well to it, I´m gonna feel like shit for more than a reason."
"-- Tremolo: It´s clearly a secret they don´t plan to reveal. And that´s why I wasn´t sure if I should tell you or not".

I´m talking about the things that are written in the dialogues, not about interpretations. Why the fuck Tremolo would feel like shit about Chad and Troy´s secret? They are the guys that have harassed him for weeks and, worst of it, they have hurt Sage for months or even years. I don´t even think that Sage should feel bad for exposing Chad´s sexuality. He has been making her miserable, again, for months or even years. Why suddenly Chad and Troy´s secret is so important for the people that they have been harming with that secret and their behavior? My answer is: political correctness.

It's the inconsistency in the character, he numerous times insults Chad, calling him gay early on, hell he calls Jamie gay for planting, but now he's all sensitive to Chad and his panty wearing sissy boy Troy.

It's fucking soft.

 

[TajaRrR]

The theories that come up here, some ridiculous shit.

That's why it's sometimes better not to engage in some of them.
I was here just reading them for the past 20min or so

 

[dalli_x]

I would love to see a stupidity tier list. Becky certainly is high, but not #1.

Becky is number 2. Number 1 is and remains the ass beer specialist Dawe .

 

[AECaros]

You clearly haven´t read the dialogues. Tremolo doesn´t say to Sage "I´m worried about you". He says to her "I´m worried about your reaction" and "I´m worried about feeling myself like shit". Again:
"- Sage: What the fuck are you worried about?
- Tremolo: Like I said before, I´m worried about your reaction. It´s a huge thing I´m about to tell you. If you don´t react well to it, I´m gonna feel like shit for more than a reason."
"-- Tremolo: It´s clearly a secret they don´t plan to reveal. And that´s why I wasn´t sure if I should tell you or not".

I´m talking about the things that are written in the dialogues, not about interpretations. Why the fuck Tremolo would feel like shit about Chad and Troy´s secret? They are the guys that have harassed him for weeks and, worst of it, they have hurt Sage for months or even years. I don´t even think that Sage should feel bad for exposing Chad´s sexuality. He has been making her miserable, again, for months or even years. Why suddenly Chad and Troy´s secret is so important for the people that they have been harming with that secret and their behavior? My answer is: political correctness.

Basic human empathy?

You see the same thing happen as an option after the fight with Chad. Chad jumps him on the street and starts beating the shit out of him for (from his perspective) absolutely no reason. But once things escalate and you're in a meeting with staff talking about his expulsion, you get the option to say 'Hey now, it was just a brawl, not something that needs him to be thrown off campus for'.

Tremolo clearly isn't a huge piece of shit in setting, even when played full DIK, nor is he stupid. As soon as he realized that Chad is gay, things fall pretty neatly into place. Chad is the head of a macho af fraternity, the sort of people that wouldn't remotely put up with someone being gay, which is why he is keeping the secret. Outing a closeted gay person is in fact, a fairly fucked up thing to do, even if that person is a hypocrite and a piece of crap, so Tremolo doesn't do it. Or, well, they might do it, just in limited circumstances rather than being a huge douche who immediately starts spreading a campus rumor about it.

 

[cryhwks]

Anyone else think that Jill looks like a young Jennifer Connelly.

 

[TajaRrR]

Anyone else think that Jill looks like a young Jennifer Connelly.

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[DarkKiller]

Wait, wait! How did you get that scene with Derek and the pencil in class? I got a completely different one :O

You have to be on Bella's path mate.