VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[DavDR]

Maya of the first season was liked by almost everyone and was in the top. When Josie arrived, Maya completely disappeared into their childhood love triangle. I suppose DPC would like to preserve her individuality even in the conditions of their threefold relationship, but he does not know how to do it. Apparently, the rejection of her character, built on a constant search for support and help, is so great that even those small scenes of intimacy with MC do not help. I think that we have already gone so far in history to dramatically change its character.
Maya is really a stupid and naive girl. There are many contradictions and illogicalities in her story. She is one of those about whom they say that "they often eat before thinking". Nobody likes stupid people. DPC got too involved in creating drama around her that he made a complete idiot out of her.

There is one way DPC could fix Maya.

It's an idea that I've had for quite some time but I've been reluctant to propose it as a theory because there just isn't enough to back it up. Though it does fit the circumstances. Let's just call it a suggestion.

What if Maya isn't as stupid as we thought? What if she's just lying (no big stretch there)?

What if the situation is this, Maya's Father is the one paying for her college, he threatened to withhold that payment after he found out about Josy. Maya could refuse his help and take out a student loan but she doesn't want to. She doesn't want to burden herself. She wants the free ride. Of course if another opportunity came up, like free tuition, that would be great. She would have her tuition and Josy too. But as it is she can wait, but she can't tell Josy that would end the relationship. So she makes up the whole student loan story.

I mean it does sound like a bad lie told by a teenager.

 

[mindern]

besides the sincerity you talk about, in my opinion the reason for Jill's mass success is that she is basically a solution and not a problem in MC's life, and this makes her incredibly reassuring (and maybe even "maternal")

even in the never too reviled, at least by me, moment of Tybalt's blackmail, she "solves" a problem of MC's in her own skin, she takes charge of a problem of MC's.

but just in general, Jill doesn't want anything from MC, doesn't need anything that isn't related to their relationship.

this aspect in the landscape of sentimental and character insecurities (which for example create the NTR nightmare in anything) i think really makes a difference

And even when she introduces “problems” they’re not even on her route or involving her. She’s relatively drama free. Closest she comes to being drama is on Bella’s route after the window reveal.

Take the Bianca introduction. She rocks up, one of Jill’s closest friends and it neatly progresses the relationship with MC. They bond and so on. Bianca’s relationship with Jill is outlined almost in full. Their precise connection, general friendship… how their families know each other… she slots into an already fleshed out background for Jill with no real ambiguity.

But somehow a scene about Jill creates drama for other characters arcs. Bianca is implied to have connections largely independent of Jill with the MC’s family. Her friends cheating is a plot point on, of all people, Quinn’s route.

Basically all the questions raised from meeting Jill’s friends are on routes she isn’t automatically involved in.

I’ll say it again… you know what you’re gonna get with Jill.

 

[felicemastronzo]

There is one way DPC could fix Maya.

It's an idea that I've had for quite some time but I've been reluctant to propose it as a theory because there just isn't enough to back it up. Though it does fit the circumstances. Let's just call it a suggestion.

What if Maya isn't as stupid as we thought? What if she's just lying (no big stretch there)?

What if the situation is this, Maya's Father is the one paying for her college, he threatened to withhold that payment after he found out about Josy. Maya could refuse his help and take out a student loan but she doesn't want to. She doesn't want to burden herself. She wants the free ride. Of course if another opportunity came up, like free tuition, that would be great. She would have her tuition and Josy too. But as it is she can wait, but she can't tell Josy that would end the relationship. So she makes up the whole student loan story.

I mean it does sound like a bad lie told by a teenager.

how exactly would this revelation help Maya's reputation?


you are a very dangerous friend

 

[vogelbeest]

What if the situation is this, Maya's Father is the one paying for her college, he threatened to withhold that payment after he found out about Josy. Maya could refuse his help and take out a student loan but she doesn't want to. She doesn't want to burden herself. She wants the free ride. Of course if another opportunity came up, like free tuition, that would be great. She would have her tuition and Josy too. But as it is she can wait, but she can't tell Josy that would end the relationship. So she makes up the whole student loan story.

Derek is seriously in the way of any credibility to that theory....

 

[Jimayo]

And Speaking of Jill. Where is the god damn Blood? or May be my monitor is too dark and I don't see it

Most women who ride horses lose their hymen.

 

[DavDR]

how exactly would this revelation help Maya's reputation?


you are a very dangerous friend

Well for one, she wouldn't look so stupid. A second point is it's just the kind of twist that fits DPC's style. And it would certainly help DPC's reputation as a writer if that catastrophe of a student loan could be explained.

But I was really taken by the idea of the inconsistent character of the LI's from season 1 to 2. Maya lied constantly and easily throughout the first season. Someone who lies like that doesn't just stop.

 

[reidrigo]

Maya of the first season was liked by almost everyone and was in the top. When Josie arrived, Maya completely disappeared into their childhood love triangle. I suppose DPC would like to preserve her individuality even in the conditions of their threefold relationship, but he does not know how to do it. Apparently, the rejection of her character, built on a constant search for support and help, is so great that even those small scenes of intimacy with MC do not help. I think that we have already gone so far in history to dramatically change its character.
Maya is really a stupid and naive girl. There are many contradictions and illogicalities in her story. She is one of those about whom they say that "they often eat before thinking". Nobody likes stupid people. DPC got too involved in creating drama around her that he made a complete idiot out of her.

I can't agree with you, m8. Maya from de first season was a stranger for the protagonist, so a stranger for us aswell. Like on real life, people created a image of her being a cool girl, but with the time we end knowing who she trully are: a person with a lot of flaws and problems. It are common on real life relationships, you meet a person, and with time that person show a personality totally different of what you are expecting, and I see Maya development like that: a person with problems and flaws, who hide her true personality.

That being said, I can't agree that it was write problem, at least for me, its a good character development, even not being what people expected.

 

[Ieatyourshoes]

Yes indeed, version 0.8.2 includes season 2(Episodes 5 to 8).

Thanks

 

[hakuna-matata]

And Speaking of Jill. Where is the god damn Blood? or May be my monitor is too dark and I don't see it

Quite honestly, I never thought I would say this on the Internets..... Not everyone bleeds. I didn't my first time and I was afraid I would have. He wasn't the smallest guy either. Although, I was sore for days. No, I do not ride horses.

Why are some guys obsessed with virgins bleeding?

 

[PashafromRussia]

There is one way DPC could fix Maya.

It's an idea that I've had for quite some time but I've been reluctant to propose it as a theory because there just isn't enough to back it up. Though it does fit the circumstances. Let's just call it a suggestion.

What if Maya isn't as stupid as we thought? What if she's just lying (no big stretch there)?

What if the situation is this, Maya's Father is the one paying for her college, he threatened to withhold that payment after he found out about Josy. Maya could refuse his help and take out a student loan but she doesn't want to. She doesn't want to burden herself. She wants the free ride. Of course if another opportunity came up, like free tuition, that would be great. She would have her tuition and Josy too. But as it is she can wait, but she can't tell Josy that would end the relationship. So she makes up the whole student loan story.

I mean it does sound like a bad lie told by a teenager.

That's an interesting thought. If indeed the theory of Maya's lies and manipulation is true, then this immediately eliminates all plot blunders. The truth about this could cause Maya and Josie to break up and it is really close the problem with the stupid student loan. But Maya now is already at the very end of the list of main girls. So it could put her on the same level as Madame. Therefore, DPC will most likely continue to exploit the image of Maya the fool or come up with some other stupid twist.

 

[mightybored]

Yeah, the problem with the theory is why would the MC give a shit about Maya if she'd been lying the whole time?

 

[anonymoussposter]

There is one way DPC could fix Maya.

It's an idea that I've had for quite some time but I've been reluctant to propose it as a theory because there just isn't enough to back it up. Though it does fit the circumstances. Let's just call it a suggestion.

What if Maya isn't as stupid as we thought? What if she's just lying (no big stretch there)?

What if the situation is this, Maya's Father is the one paying for her college, he threatened to withhold that payment after he found out about Josy. Maya could refuse his help and take out a student loan but she doesn't want to. She doesn't want to burden herself. She wants the free ride. Of course if another opportunity came up, like free tuition, that would be great. She would have her tuition and Josy too. But as it is she can wait, but she can't tell Josy that would end the relationship. So she makes up the whole student loan story.

I mean it does sound like a bad lie told by a teenager.

Nice bait my friend

although I totally agree on it

 

[Killerwhale5678]

And Speaking of Jill. Where is the god damn Blood? or May be my monitor is too dark and I don't see

Never knew people had such an obsession with blood

 

[AchedCroissant]

And Speaking of Jill. Where is the god damn Blood? or May be my monitor is too dark and I don't see it

How many times have you been cited for this question?

 

[anonymoussposter]

Yeah, the problem with the theory is why would the MC give a shit about Maya if she'd been lying the whole time?

I don’t think that is a problem

instead it is a solution

mc not giving any shit about pathetic liar is a feature my friend and not a bug

FEATURE NOT A BUG

 

[mightybored]

If Maya is supposed to be a straight-up villain, sure. I don't think that's supposed to happen though.

 

[kyrlian]

Before you write again that Quinn is solving her problem on her own, which is not the case because Sage had to help Quinn too, I'll jump ahead. It also depends on how you solve a problem. The wrong and criminal way like Quinn or the right way, even if you need help.

I don't know what game are you playing but in BaDik Maya is not solving anything for 8 chapters and 3 years, it will take a long time to change the character's inertia.

If the Burke plot is some kind of solution the bump will go to Sage, charity reflects positively on the donor.

I think some of you are way obsessed with this polls . It means nothing. There are more than 20.000 peoples who play the game if not more all around the world. The was majority is the one who actually not even voting or bothering by these polls.

WE also well know, by years now, that Patreon supporters does not have taste at all. Also that it's usually the same peoples who are voting for the same thing. I think I even ranted about it, when we saw this, "Mileston reward ", thing.

It is the same shit all over the time. Jill and Bella pairing , because they have big oppai.

Polls online are not perfect, we know that, they can be hacked (not that easily tho) but they are not that bad. Polls are very good to show trends. Well, poll after poll they show the same robust trend, the lead has been the same (Jill), Sage is very popular here, some characters are rising (Lily, Riona, Quinn) and some are decreasing in popularity (Maya and Josy).

But the number of players is not the reason the poll is good or bad, statistics is the science of extrapolating small samples to large groups. You just need a big number (the bigger the better) of votes. Margin of error depends inversely on the square root of the sample size, that means for 30k players you need +/- 380 votes to get a 5% margin of error, less than that gets bad results, more is better and more accurate.

I like Jill but the big Oppais are counterproductive for me, they remind me all the time this is a videogame 3D model. I like girls with more natural body types like Josy, Quinn, Sarah, Elena etc. And I agree sometimes her face is creepy, only a hardcore fan will deny that, I remember a scene (I think it was the picnic) and then a bad render comes up and I was thinking wtf is wrong with this girl lol. And she uses a lot of eyeliner even when sleeping, but most of the time she is a beauty.

 

[anonymoussposter]

If Maya is supposed to be a straight-up villain, sure. I don't think that's supposed to happen though.

U sure it already didn’t happen ?

 

[mightybored]

U sure it already didn’t happen ?

From what we've actually seen so far she's a scared idiot, not a villain.

 

[Bytelip]

I played the first season of this game and it really is great. Was my first ever VN that I tried because of the steam reviews. and since them I've been learnign Daz 3d and started doing my own stuff. So thanks Dr PinkCake for the spark!