VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[godkingxerxes]

BTW did I mention that you inspired my latest theory?

It was about a year ago you put forward the idea that DPC intentionally wrote Maya's character to be hated by the player. I thought it was an interesting theory and looked forward to discussing it, but then HB had an aneurysm or something and the cucks went crazy and the opportunity passed. I was musing on the theory, thinking of how a Bad Maya would manifest in the story when I hit upon the idea that she was lying about the loan.

I don't think she's lying about the loan, she just has no idea how it works. We know from study sessions she's bad at basic math, that's the subtle clue from Pinkcakes that Burke will take one listen to Maya story and tell her point blank that's not how any of this shit works and her problem will be solved.

Or Burke will realize that Maya is naive and try to take advantage of her, who knows, either way not my problem. Well hopefully no longer my problem, doubt that to be the case, MC will most likely have another Lesbian moment and some point even though he's happy on the Others path.

 

[DavDR]

I don't think she's lying about the loan, she just has no idea how it works. We know from study sessions she's bad at basic math, that's the subtle clue from Pinkcakes that Burke will take one listen to Maya story and tell her point blank that's not how any of this shit works and her problem will be solved.

Or Burke will realize that Maya is naive and try to take advantage of her, who knows, either way not my problem. Well hopefully no longer my problem, doubt that to be the case, MC will most likely have another Lesbian moment and some point even though he's happy on the Others path.

Yeah but Josy could have told her that, or her HS guidance counselor, or the homeless guy in the dumpster next door, I mean shit they teach it in HS, it's not like it's Rock Science or something

 

[shazba]

BTW did I mention that you inspired my latest theory?

It was about a year ago you put forward the idea that DPC intentionally wrote Maya's character to be hated by the player. I thought it was an interesting theory and looked forward to discussing it, but then HB had an aneurysm or something and the cucks went crazy and the opportunity passed. I was musing on the theory, thinking of how a Bad Maya would manifest in the story when I hit upon the idea that she was lying about the loan.

If "Bad Maya" does manifest herself, she needs to look like Yuno Gasai's vision.

Spoiler: Bad Maya looks good!

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[ename144]

Thing is, her line about never seeing the MC that way means it was largely just sex for her. The threshold for taking what she wants regardless of her partner is kinda low.

It means she was willing to cheat on Chad purely for sex. She’s willing to outwardly pursue “just sex” publicly such as at the DIK party early on (where Jacob steps in). Not even social pressure to appear faithful is an issue for her. That’s a really low threshold for her to cheat.

I’ve always had a massive issue with the line about her never seeing the MC that way. It’s out of character with her previous actions and it throws up all sorts of questions. It cheapens the MC and hers relationship. It’s a small thing but Bella can point to genuinely developing feelings for the MC. Josy has a (albeit short) history with the MC and cites a connection and chemistry even back at the supermarket job. Maya has never felt this way about a guy and even Josy admits it’s a big deal how Maya feels and she says that as the betrayed partner.

Sage just wanted some dick and doubles down later saying that’s all he was to her. Id take anything at this point to justify it. Even Sage vocalising how she just did it, at first, for attention she wasn’t getting elsewhere and apologising for using the MC like that but reaffirming she started to fall for him.

Better than using MC as a human sex toy and only consciously seeing him as more once Chad was gone. For the record she’s my second favourite LI. I just think this needs addressing.

What really irks me about Sage is the way, starting in Episode 5, she's 100% gunning for the MC if he didn't become her fuck buddy. It's really hard to square that behavior with her explanation that she didn't want to formally date a fuck buddy MC for fear of damaging their friendship. I mean technically, yes, she could be seeking a purely sexual relationship with the friendzone MC too, but how on earth is that supposed to be less damaging to their friendship?

Honestly, I think DPC wanted to speed up Sage's pace to hit the crossroad in time, and as a result her friend path was accelerated to near light speed, while her fuck buddy arc was flattened to fit the same overall shape as the friend arc. It's annoying, because there is a lot of potential here that's getting wasted in the process. Maybe Season 3 will finally settle down and get her romance back on tracks, but with all the focus on Zoey and the Interlude I'm not feeling it at the moment.

Yeah, that always bothered me quite a lot, also, in EP8 she freaking sleeps with make-up on and in the next morning she already has perfect make-up, different nail painting and got breakfast done, to then proceed and have raging sex on the dinner table, all this on a Sunday ffs!

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In EP1 DPC actually went through the trouble of removing it but I can't remember another scene where he did it.
Perhaps it's too time consuming to be tinkering not only with her hair but also her make-up all the time. If that's the reason I can deal with it. It's better than having to delay chapters for another week or two just because of these little details.

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Technically, that was Episode 2. Maya had a few scenes without her usual thick makeup back then, too. I do wish we could see the girls that way a little more often.

In fact, it's fine. The next update is six months away and this brings its own variety. I think we could count how many times JAL will be banned and even keep statistics.

Good grief, I'd need a bigger spreadsheet. Hell, I'd probably need larger integers for each cell.

 

[Alpha1120]

If I may ask, do you only need to download 1 file ~18.5gb to play the game?

 

[shazba]

What really irks me about Sage is the way, starting in Episode 5, she's 100% gunning for the MC if he didn't become her fuck buddy. It's really hard to square that behavior with her explanation that she didn't want to formally date a fuck buddy MC for fear of damaging their friendship. I mean technically, yes, she could be seeking a purely sexual relationship with the friendzone MC too, but how on earth is that supposed to be less damaging to their friendship?

Honestly, I think DPC wanted to speed up Sage's pace to hit the crossroad in time, and as a result her friend path was accelerated to near light speed, while her fuck buddy arc was flattened to fit the same overall shape as the friend arc. It's annoying, because there is a lot of potential here that's getting wasted in the process. Maybe Season 3 will finally settle down and get her romance back on tracks, but with all the focus on Zoey and the Interlude I'm not feeling it at the moment.

How do you know? Did you play the friend only path with Sage? WTF is wrong with you!?

Her rushing to jump into a relationship with the mc after her breakup with Chad, and her pushing the mc to take charge within the DIKs (at least to start organizing the Halloween party) does give credence to the idea that she likes to be linked to the important people in the college. First Chad, who obviously wasn't interested, and now MC (even if he's not interested).

Added to that, if you look around the college, who the fuck else is a girl gonna hitch up with? The good ones are taken (Magnar for one) and most of the other dudes are pretty hopeless.

What's also interesting about her wanting to be with the mc, if he's playing the field (of course he's playing the field), Sage kinda knows it, and for a whle she doesn't care, but once they become a couple, she's gonna care about his philandering, so at some point they are gonna have to have that talk:

Sage: "OK Fuckface, it's now time for you to stop fucking every other girl on campus."​

mc: "Awww."​

If I may ask, do you only need to download 1 file ~18.5gb to play the game?

Yep, that's all you need.

 

[Alpha1120]

Yep, that's all you need.

Thank you

 

[DavDR]

If "Bad Maya" does manifest herself, she needs to look like Yuno Gasai's vision.

Spoiler: Bad Maya looks good!

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It doesn't matter if she does or not, it's still Felice's fault.

 

[AchedCroissant]

If "Bad Maya" does manifest herself, she needs to look like Yuno Gasai's vision.

Spoiler: Bad Maya looks good!

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It looks good but I prefer the good Maya

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[shazba]

It looks good but I prefer the good Maya

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Holy (and I do mean "holy") fucking shit!

 

[godkingxerxes]

Yeah but Josy could have told her that, or her HS guidance counselor, or the homeless guy in the dumpster next door, I mean shit they teach it in HS, it's not like it's Rock Science or something

To make Maya not look like a total moron he has to sacrifice Josy, MC and Sage's intelligence.

This also makes Burke look like super smart.

 

[gamingdevil800]

I don't think she's lying about the loan, she just has no idea how it works. We know from study sessions she's bad at basic math, that's the subtle clue from Pinkcakes that Burke will take one listen to Maya story and tell her point blank that's not how any of this shit works and her problem will be solved.

Or Burke will realize that Maya is naive and try to take advantage of her, who knows, either way not my problem. Well hopefully no longer my problem, doubt that to be the case, MC will most likely have another Lesbian moment and some point even though he's happy on the Others path.

Or DPC will throw logic out the window and the loan problem will persist The whole loan plotline is stupid to begin with

 

[Afapp]

It looks good but I prefer the good Maya

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Good Maya with orange man hands. It cannot be unseen.

 

[Afapp]

As long as I get orgy at the Pink Rose and a Quinn/Lily threesome before it blows up, I'm good bro.

That, is my logic exactly about all the hand wringing about Zoey. As long as I get to cum on her tattoo, I don't give a rat's ass about anything else.

 

[Afapp]

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Well, there's your problem!
(I can't help it, any time I see the pic you used, this springs to mind)

Did Amelia have an acting career? The glasses are different, but they look alike.

 

[Ilhares]

Did Amelia have an acting career? The glasses are different, but they look alike.

I don't think so, but I'm still waiting for MC to take a shot at Amelia. I won't belittle the goblinoid racoon fan club their tastes, we all have our kinks - but you let my MC at Amelia and Jill is going to have another sister/brother to fill their life with love.

 

[ename144]

How do you know? Did you play the friend only path with Sage? WTF is wrong with you!?

Of course I went friend path with Sage, this is me!

Her rushing to jump into a relationship with the mc after her breakup with Chad, and her pushing the mc to take charge within the DIKs (at least to start organizing the Halloween party) does give credence to the idea that she likes to be linked to the important people in the college. First Chad, who obviously wasn't interested, and now MC (even if he's not interested).

Added to that, if you look around the college, who the fuck else is a girl gonna hitch up with? The good ones are taken (Magnar for one) and most of the other dudes are pretty hopeless.

What's also interesting about her wanting to be with the mc, if he's playing the field (of course he's playing the field), Sage kinda knows it, and for a whle she doesn't care, but once they become a couple, she's gonna care about his philandering, so at some point they are gonna have to have that talk:

Sage: "OK Fuckface, it's now time for you to stop fucking every other girl on campus."​

mc: "Awww."​

I might buy Sage as being interested in the prestige if it weren't for her reaction to Chad breaking up with her. Not just the furious violence bit, but the complete incomprehension at what she could have done wrong. Whatever her feelings for the MC, it's clear Chad meant a lot more to her than a networking opportunity.

As for the MC no longer fucking every other girl on campus, that's no problem. He already decided that back at the crossroad. Totally committed to the path, swears on his half-eaten breakfast, the whole nine yards. From now on, [Sage] is the only girl for him.

But just FYI, Zoey didn't live on campus at the time.

It looks good but I prefer the good Maya

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That doesn... How could... I'm having... What is this I...

 

[Warscared]

Did Amelia have an acting career? The glasses are different, but they look alike. View attachment 1595695

yes she did! can you not see her on the movie wings of a butterfly pointing at Maya´s pussy?

Added to that, if you look around the college, who the fuck else is a girl gonna hitch up with? The good ones are taken (Magnar for one) and most of the other dudes are pretty hopeless.

you do not want to go there! last time i had a debate regarding Sage´s possible options a retarded came out of the woodwork and he was the 2nd person on my ignore list after HalfBoard!

I might buy Sage as being interested in the prestige if it weren't for her reaction to Chad breaking up with her. Not just the furious violence bit, but the complete incomprehension at what she could have done wrong. Whatever her feelings for the MC, it's clear Chad meant a lot more to her than a networking opportunity.

yes, but no! Chad breaking up with her is a loss of prestige! so yes she is totally gonna sperg out like a vengeful twat! she wants it, to loose it means an ax to her self esteem... which is what she will get if you are on her and Bella path and you picked her!

 

[walker188]

I don't believe there is anything he can do to fix Maya's polarity.

The people that like her character, like her because she a damsel in distress and they need to help her.

The people that don't like her, want her to become more independent and be able to solve her own issues and not rely on others as much as she does.

And if she becomes more like the second, her fans will no longer like her as much.

So Pinkcakes is kind of fucked either way, keep Maya the same and she keeps her small amount of fans and vocal haters, or change her to be more liked and she loses her fans.

Thats your interpretation and its badly colored by a dislike of the character. Maya isn't my top girl and she hasn't been since season 1, but not because she fell in my esteem, simply, Sage and Bella eclipsed her.

But i still like her just fine, and its not cause i have to save her. I like her because of the aspect of friendship she brings to a romantic relationship. Truthfully, Sage is a great friend and seems like she'll still be one as a girlfriend, but shes fucked like 10 guys and it shows. She's also popular and it shows.

Maya represents that time in your life when its you and your best friend against the world. Truthfully, one of the best parts of BaD is when you get kicked out of your room and its just you and this girl, trying to figure all this shit out together. It felt very real, very intimate and very dynamic.

For my throuple run, I do want Maya to become more independent and capable like she was in the first season, and I don't need her to be weak in order to feel strong. Real relationships, romantic or platonic are an acknowledgement that things will go up and down, you'll cling tight and drift apart, but you're there for each other. Not to take care of someone, but to just be there.

And thats what I like about Maya and MC, being there, with my first, truest and oldest in game friend.

 

[Heycock]

Thats your interpretation and its badly colored by a dislike of the character. Maya isn't my top girl and she hasn't been since season 1, but not because she fell in my esteem, simply, Sage and Bella eclipsed her.

But i still like her just fine, and its not cause i have to save her. I like her because of the aspect of friendship she brings to a romantic relationship. Truthfully, Sage is a great friend and seems like she'll still be one as a girlfriend, but shes fucked like 10 guys and it shows. She's also popular and it shows.

Maya represents that time in your life when its you and your best friend against the world. Truthfully, one of the best parts of BaD is when you get kicked out of your room and its just you and this girl, trying to figure all this shit out together. It felt very real, very intimate and very dynamic.

For my throuple run, I do want Maya to become more independent and capable like she was in the first season, and I don't need her to be weak in order to feel strong. Real relationships, romantic or platonic are an acknowledgement that things will go up and down, you'll cling tight and drift apart, but you're there for each other. Not to take care of someone, but to just be there.

And thats what I like about Maya and MC, being there, with my first, truest and oldest in game friend.

Really nice post.

She remind me a girl I met travelling when i was younger. We didnt had any money so we earned every day what we needed to live. Every weak we moved to a different city. Under thoose circunstances you build intimacy and trust really fast, you kind need to. And since you are constantly moving, the only medium term relationship you build is with your partners. So even if we were most of the time with other people around, we were always together alone, supporting each other, helping each other to reach the next point. And the main priority was always to find a place to sleep (well for me was to get cigarettes). Thats why I apreciate the first episode when she got the MC a place to sleep. When you slept on the streets so many times you learn to value thoose kind of things.

Some people here underestimate all the things that Maya did for the MC, and overestimate the things that the MC did for Maya. But then again there is no reasons against emotions, and hate never stop.